Kingsbridge Saint Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 On the Luke Shaw not being good enough thing - what the **** does Van Gaal know? He's hardly setting the pace in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 On the Luke Shaw not being good enough thing - what the **** does Van Gaal know? He's hardly setting the pace in the Premier League. Very true His treatment of shaw... A young English talent, is pretty poor Looks like we dodged a bullet with Rojo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 http://forums.liverpoolfc.com/threads/364424-Some-of-our-new-players-need-time-others-shouldn-t-be-here OP here- lool. feel sorry for lambert... Yeah, not even given a start in a struggling team with a congested fixture list and missing their main striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 Pressure cooker for all but Chambers now. Lovren gets a bit of a let off because people are now actively targeting Stevie G as a defensive weakness (oh I know it well, Stevie) because he is, and his team mates are evidently intent on sparking the bloke during games. Perhaps they are trying to whack his head back to Liverpool Lallana doesn't look like he's getting any sleep, let alone match fit. Lambert, I feel sorry for. Rodgers hasn't got the first clue on what he's about, and doesn't know how to use him. If all he's going to do is bang him on when all else fails, then he won't get the best out of him, and they'll still fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 Problem with the internet is that it is now littered with students writing their boring blogs or badly written "news" articles. They're boring, no idea who reads them, or who has time to read them. Maybe other students. Agree with this. Too much recycled garbage. Or "Agree with THIS! Too much RECYCLED garbage" as the prepubescent headline writers would have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 Lambert, I feel sorry for. Rodgers hasn't got the first clue on what he's about, and doesn't know how to use him. If all he's going to do is bang him on when all else fails, then he won't get the best out of him, and they'll still fail. Very much agree. Lambert is best played as a string puller as per Teddy Sheringham. He's not the best as a target man which there's a danger a bench warmer will be seen as. It's a shame because, as a bit part player, I think he'll struggle to read double figures (in apps and goals). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 I think that too many managers looked at us and thought that the sum of the parts was greater than the whole, when it was very much the other way. I think that we might have been fairly unique in having so many players from L1 come through the squad to where we finished last year. We had some get on the bus in the Champ and a couple more (useful) ones when we got to the PL. But the whole was very much more than the sum of the parts. And that includes the manager who found the squad so malleable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 I think that too many managers looked at us and thought that the sum of the parts was greater than the whole, when it was very much the other way. I think that we might have been fairly unique in having so many players from L1 come through the squad to where we finished last year. We had some get on the bus in the Champ and a couple more (useful) ones when we got to the PL. But the whole was very much more than the sum of the parts. And that includes the manager who found the squad so malleable. This is so true…... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 Very much agree. Lambert is best played as a string puller as per Teddy Sheringham. He's not the best as a target man which there's a danger a bench warmer will be seen as. It's a shame because, as a bit part player, I think he'll struggle to read double figures (in apps and goals). According to DM he will be starting against M'boro in the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 22 September, 2014 Share Posted 22 September, 2014 I think that too many managers looked at us and thought that the sum of the parts was greater than the whole, when it was very much the other way. I think that we might have been fairly unique in having so many players from L1 come through the squad to where we finished last year. We had some get on the bus in the Champ and a couple more (useful) ones when we got to the PL. But the whole was very much more than the sum of the parts. And that includes the manager who found the squad so malleable. Gotta love the Adkinsism, the man is and always will be a Southampton legend.....from the Wirral (definitely not Liverpool ;p) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 I think that too many managers looked at us and thought that the sum of the parts was greater than the whole, when it was very much the other way. I think that we might have been fairly unique in having so many players from L1 come through the squad to where we finished last year. We had some get on the bus in the Champ and a couple more (useful) ones when we got to the PL. But the whole was very much more than the sum of the parts. And that includes the manager who found the squad so malleable. This and add Woy to the mix ......... but hey were in the money and have a better squad/team than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 I think that too many managers looked at us and thought that the sum of the parts was greater than the whole, when it was very much the other way. I think that we might have been fairly unique in having so many players from L1 come through the squad to where we finished last year. We had some get on the bus in the Champ and a couple more (useful) ones when we got to the PL. But the whole was very much more than the sum of the parts. And that includes the manager who found the squad so malleable. Yes, indeed. They call it team-spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 I think that too many managers looked at us and thought that the sum of the parts was greater than the whole, when it was very much the other way. Isn't that the same thing although understand your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Interesting looking at the "Next PL Manager to leave" on Skybet http://www.skybet.com/football/specials/manager-specials I thought RK would have longer odds than 40/1 but of the top 4 favourites, 3 are ex Saints managers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 On the Luke Shaw not being good enough thing - what the **** does Van Gaal know? He's hardly setting the pace in the Premier League. Indeed, what does he know, not like he's ever done anything in his management career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Looks like Shaw will get his chance on Saturday with Rojo going to centre back due to the sending - so there is obviously no pressure on Shaw and im sure he is super confident after all the reassuring praise that he has had from Van Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 To be fair to Luke, once he gets his chance he will take it and prove LVG to be wrong in pre-judging him. MU are weak defensively, but that's the CB's they let go and haven't replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 To be fair to Luke, once he gets his chance he will take it and prove LVG to be wrong in pre-judging him. MU are weak defensively, but that's the CB's they let go and haven't replaced. Or maybe LVG's stubborn insistance of rigidly sticking to a style of play that seems totally alien to any of the Man U players!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Indeed, what does he know, not like he's ever done anything in his management career Although to be fair, he's coming over like a bit of a tit at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Although to be fair, he's coming over like a bit of a tit at the moment. He is a bit of a tit by all accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Although to be fair, he's coming over like a bit of a tit at the moment. Not it the kind I like to look at though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Although to be fair, he's coming over like a bit of a tit at the moment. He certainly said the right things after the Leicester debacle, and probably more managers need to do it. In full view of the public glare, he let the players know in no uncertain terms what he thought of their display. Some may regard it as bad management to criticise your players in public, but he didn't pull any punches. Players nowadays are protected and coccooned from criticism by manager who - understandably - are scared that any player on the wrong end of criticism is on the phone to his agent asking for a move. I think it's only right that players paid vast sums of money should be accountable for their performances and it's a good litmus test of a player's mentality to see how he reacts to a public flogging. Some will look at themselves and question their performance in an act of self-criticism. These are the one you want as a manager. You don't want those who react badly to criticism, run to the agent or sulk and point the finger at others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 I'm beginning to think LVG is deliberately goading Luke knowing that it will bring more effort and better results from Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 He certainly said the right things after the Leicester debacle, and probably more managers need to do it. In full view of the public glare, he let the players know in no uncertain terms what he thought of their display. Some may regard it as bad management to criticise your players in public, but he didn't pull any punches. Players nowadays are protected and coccooned from criticism by manager who - understandably - are scared that any player on the wrong end of criticism is on the phone to his agent asking for a move. I think it's only right that players paid vast sums of money should be accountable for their performances and it's a good litmus test of a player's mentality to see how he reacts to a public flogging. Some will look at themselves and question their performance in an act of self-criticism. These are the one you want as a manager. You don't want those who react badly to criticism, run to the agent or sulk and point the finger at others. Meh, generally, or at least in text books, the better motivating tool is adding intrinsic value to the tasks of those following (players/employees). From what I've seen of LVG he seems to shyte on them regularly and in the open (at least with Luke). While footballers live a pampered life and I wouldn't mind punching a few, a lot of them are in a new system, on a new team, a team that has a new coach. I'd want the players to buy into my new philosophy if I was he and "outing" them may not be the best way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 I'm beginning to think LVG is deliberately goading Luke knowing that it will bring more effort and better results from Luke Meanwhile profits and share prices at Nandos plummet!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Meh, generally, or at least in text books, the better motivating tool is adding intrinsic value to the tasks of those following (players/employees). From what I've seen of LVG he seems to shyte on them regularly and in the open (at least with Luke). While footballers live a pampered life and I wouldn't mind punching a few, a lot of them are in a new system, on a new team, a team that has a new coach. I'd want the players to buy into my new philosophy if I was he and "outing" them may not be the best way. OMG ... is he saying Luke is Gay? Is there a Nandos on Canal Street? Blimey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 OMG ... is he saying Luke is Gay? Is there a Nandos on Canal Street? Blimey. A rolling stone gathers not moss they say. Well one that sits on on the bench, every night his a r se playing video games, and sitting for hours stuffing himself on nandos and burgers certainty does. All you ever needed to know about Luke's girlfriend, or rather lack of, and THE proof. http://fabwags.com/english-footballer-luke-shaws-girlfriend/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Meh, generally, or at least in text books, the better motivating tool is adding intrinsic value to the tasks of those following (players/employees). From what I've seen of LVG he seems to shyte on them regularly and in the open (at least with Luke). While footballers live a pampered life and I wouldn't mind punching a few, a lot of them are in a new system, on a new team, a team that has a new coach. I'd want the players to buy into my new philosophy if I was he and "outing" them may not be the best way. There's clearly something rotten in the state of Denmark. Fully accept what you say about new players, new coach, new philosophy and how perhaps using a softer approach at this early juncture might have a better effect on getting the players onside. But LVG was clearly livid at the players after the Leicester game. There might have been various reasons for this, but his intimation was that they had shortcomings in their individual performance. Again, that might be linked to their failure or inability to play the way he wanted them to. As the manager he is appointed to get the best out of his players. How long should it take players of the highest quality (which these guys are, judged on their price tags) to take on a new managerial philosophy? These are supposed to be not only the most technically-gifted players but also the most intelligent, who have played at the top level for some time, so how many sessions does it need on the training ground to instill his philosophy into them? It doesn't appear to have taken Koeman that long to get players playing his way, so does that mean we have got the better manager? LVG's criticism of his players for failing to carry out his instructions and play his way suggests they either didn't understand the message or they understood it but didn't implement it, for whatever reason. He's hardly going to admit the communications problem is down to his part, so he's going to point the finger at the players, and for whatever reason - exasperation, loss of patience, sheer bloody-mindedness - he feels strongly enough about it to vent his feelings in public. He's experienced enough to know when the time is right to sling a metaphorical arm around a shoulder and when to apply the metaphorical boot to a backside. The reaction of his players will indicate whether he is right to use stick or carrot. But hey, why should we worry? They're not our problems. Our Dutchman is flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Meanwhile, back to defectors. In other news, a mate who works at the Daily Mail (yes, I know..) told me an interesting snippet today. Apparently, they had it on good authority that the Lallana deal was effectively wrapped up as early as April. They couldn't run the story as both clubs would have denied it, but it seems Adam's head and beard were on Merseyside for a while before the end of the season, no doubt thanks to Stevie G's efforts with the plumbing accessories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twiggy Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Lambert's captaining Liverpool on his full debut. Gotta be happy for the bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Ratface has shaved off his patchy beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 (edited) Ratface has shaved off his patchy beard Little flick from him to set up the potential winner. Hate his guts but you can tell he's starting to settle at Pool. Edited 23 September, 2014 by farawaysaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Ha ha 2-2 last min pen for boro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Lambert's captaining Liverpool on his full debut. Gotta be happy for the bloke. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Charlie Nicholas just stated on SSN, that Lallana had a very poor night tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldridge Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 COME ON BORO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Bloody penalties will never end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 This is some penalty shoot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Keepers on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Charlie Nicholas just stated on SSN, that Lallana had a very poor night tonight. And yet on 5 live they say he played really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twiggy Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Don't think I've ever seen the keepers do a shootout... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Even the Liverpool goalie has scored before Lambert this season. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Can Lallana **** up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Insane, miss Adz miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 Well ****, also that is going to overshadow our win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 23 September, 2014 Share Posted 23 September, 2014 We're gonna draw them aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_punt Posted 24 September, 2014 Share Posted 24 September, 2014 'Pool Player ratings. Oh dear...... (FW) Rickie Lambert, 4 -- Poor and ponderous. The sort of performance that kinder souls might call "honest" but which became more painful the longer he stayed on the pitch. It clearly hurts him, but that's not much use to Rodgers right now as a lot of play slowed down or broke down altogether when it reached him. A night to forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 24 September, 2014 Share Posted 24 September, 2014 Watching Lambert at the moment is like visiting an elderly relative, painful. I'd like to remember him in his prime, smashing in Roy of the Rovers goals and encapsulating everything about the wonderful journey we've been on. His beetroot-factory-to-scoring-for-England journey is one of the best football stories for years with SFC at the heart of it. Fair play to him, he has set his family up for life and captained 'his' team, but nowadays I just pay a brief visit and leave with a small tear in my eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 September, 2014 Share Posted 24 September, 2014 At the back end of last season, me and a couple of ST holders around me, all thought that RL was getting slower and slower and we worried about him this season (obviously before he left us for Liverpool). So when he left, I really didn't mind and was grateful for all the service he had given to the club. I realise that he offers a lot more than just being a CF, but with JRod off games, and RL being the main man up front, we looked somewhat toothless because he was a little ponderous. So he moves to Liverpool, and has to fit into their system, which he can't do. Why Rodgers signed him to not play him as he played for us is a mystery. Or rather, it's a mystery why Rodgers signed someone who wouldn't fit his system. I get the impression that that might have been AL's problem as well, but I feel he will fit in OK and others will fit in around him. But RL, it might be put down to it "only" being £4m (or whatever it was) plus wages, and that's that for Rickie. Well, at least he is at his boyhood club and no doubt his contract is rewarding him handsomely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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