Killers Knee Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 (edited) The only statement that needs making is one of intent by making the 6 first team signings before we face Liverpool. Edited 28 July, 2014 by Killers Knee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 ...signing the next TWO players will be a statement in itself. Patience is required, transfers are much more than just signing on the dotted line. Signing the next two players will be a miracle in itself Who the Hell will want to come to a Club that is in such an obvious meltdown mode ??? Bedwetting ?? NO, just counting Lambert gone Shaw gone Lallana gone Lovren gone Chambers any minute Schneiderlin any minute Fonte possibly JWP possibly JRod possibly What on earth have Saints fans to wet the bed for ?? It's just me being negative again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 A statement wouldn't make the blindest difference to how many turn up for the first home match. And that attendance will be down because it always is for the first match anyway due to holidays. I'm not just talking about the first match. We all know what happened to attendances at the end of the Lowe days. When relegated from nPC, the average attendance was 17,849 (not that I am saying it will be that bad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 How about its a **** load of money for someone who's played 20 times in the top division and we already have a better RB. Your reasonings are all sound when they are taken in isolation, but when it's half the starting line up being sold and as yet few replacements, it's hardly out of order for us to be a tad worried. Even if we end up getting in quality replacements for all of those being sold, getting them all to bed in could lead to us flirting seriously with relegation this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 (edited) Anything they say -- anything any club or player ever says -- is just bullcrud they think we want to hear. Actions speak louder than words -- let's just get out on the pitch and play great football... and thrash Liverpool while we're at it if possible please! except apparently Morgan, he's always been straight down the middle with what he's said. Warned us what might happen in an Echo interview last April, set it out for us in short words. Keep Poch and then we'll see. We didn't, so we've seen. I don't think that interview was ever repeated or covered on the OS, they chose to hide it perhaps or didn't give it any consequence but it was the shape of things to come. let me remind you of what was said: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11142112.Schneiderlin___why_this_is_a_huge_summer_for_the_Saints_board/ Edited 28 July, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 except apparently Morgan, he's always been straight down the middle with what he's said. Warned us what might happen in an Echo interview last April, set it out for us in short words. Keep poch and then we'll see. We didn't, so we've seen. Morgan set out clearly that he wanted to see us strengthen. We haven't done so and so he wants to leave which to be honest is completely fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Signing the next two players will be a miracle in itself Who the Hell will want to come to a Club that is in such an obvious meltdown mode ??? Bedwetting ?? NO, just counting Lambert gone Shaw gone Lallana gone Lovren gone Chambers any minute Schneiderlin any minute Fonte possibly JWP possibly JRod possibly What on earth have Saints fans to wet the bed for ?? It's just me being negative again Nope, that's just plain negative! Life must be a disappointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Bearsy could you have a stab at writing the Club's statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 yeah if they really can't be bothered i will hook them up! it will however be rife with expletives and violent sexual imagery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 :lol:LOL STOLEN!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 After his death at the age of 62 in August 2010 and the subsequent inheritance of Mali Holdings by Katharina, she decided to make 31 employees redundant and has since been accused of failing to set a new direction for the company. The Swiss newspaper Der Bund said that while Mali initially said that Katharina would continue her father's work, "it has become increasingly clear in recent months that Mali can't sort out the successorship". One employee at Wifag was quoted saying: "With the death of the patron, the chicken has lost its head. For a while it continued wandering around without a sense of direction, then it bled to death." http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/16/katharina-liebherr-southampton-football-owner-german-markus This article is looking more prescient by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Your reasonings are all sound when they are taken in isolation, but when it's half the starting line up being sold and as yet few replacements, it's hardly out of order for us to be a tad worried. Even if we end up getting in quality replacements for all of those being sold, getting them all to bed in could lead to us flirting seriously with relegation this season. And I was responding purely to the Chambers part. If we don't sign platers to replace then yes there are big problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Boats 'n' ho's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed&White Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Here's the problem, they have lied or been economical with the truth to date so what is the point of a statement "we are not a selling club" Liars. Ok I accept most of it is pressure from want away players going to higher placed clubs and much higher salaries but why give a statement that you cannot back up "we have had no bids for players" Lallana & Shaw were aware of firm offers before the World Cup so lies again "we have players were are targeting but it takes time" This seems a one way process as we have completed the sale of all those players other clubs wanted!! Lies again? "Chambers has been injured and not trained for a few days" That is because he was having a medical at Arsenal Why lie. Why not just say he is not available tonight! Lies again? So, what is the point of club statements. The old adage "don't talk the talk - walk the walk" comes to mind. I am not confident we can do that any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Kat dances on sand Makes me feel old to think half on here won't recognise the background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/16/katharina-liebherr-southampton-football-owner-german-markus This article is looking more prescient by the day. That is depressingly accurate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Tipping point has been passed. We as fans deserve to know the truth and answer pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Kat dances on sand Makes me feel old to think half on here won't recognise the background hmm what will really make you feel old, is that the still comes from recent (hilarious!) comedy movie step bros, and not, as you seem to suggest some 80s music video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 If Clyne wants to go, we pretty much have to let him. so what your saying reading between the lines is we had to let the others go aswell?.........the answer quite simply is YES the only loyalty this club has is its fans ! you and me and many others know players and agents have the club by the scrotum as soon as they sign a contract, what we need is a bigger stadium that brings in more revenue to generate a bigger pool of money to keep players happier for a while longer,then sell them on for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Here's the problem, they have lied or been economical with the truth to date so what is the point of a statement "we are not a selling club" Liars. Ok I accept most of it is pressure from want away players going to higher placed clubs and much higher salaries but why give a statement that you cannot back up "we have had no bids for players" Lallana & Shaw were aware of firm offers before the World Cup so lies again "we have players were are targeting but it takes time" This seems a one way process as we have completed the sale of all those players other clubs wanted!! Lies again? "Chambers has been injured and not trained for a few days" That is because he was having a medical at Arsenal Why lie. Why not just say he is not available tonight! Lies again? So, what is the point of club statements. The old adage "don't talk the talk - walk the walk" comes to mind. I am not confident we can do that any more. Sums up my thoughts completely. No point anyone at the club making any kind of statement as I will simply not believe it. I actually feel quite disconnected now. The only action I want to see now is the spending of all the warchest on some real decent talent. Anything less and another lie will have unfolded. However, if that's the case then I think I will not renew my ST next season - I can't support a club with no ambition and one where I'm lied to...doesn't inspire me to have any interest frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Remember when we came up we thought we'll finally be able to hold onto our young stars. Ah the memories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 hmm what will really make you feel old, is that the still comes from recent (hilarious!) comedy movie step bros, and not, as you seem to suggest some 80s music video! His eyes have gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 All we need to see now are actions. Players brought in, contracts signed. Job done. Statements mean nothing, hollow words, often spoken by people who are trained to waffle. After what the likes of Ralf came out with earlier in the year, I hope the club keep quiet and just do what needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 And I was responding purely to the Chambers part. If we don't sign platers to replace then yes there are big problems. Platers sounds Dutch to me, any Youtube clips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 hmm what will really make you feel old, is that the still comes from recent (hilarious!) comedy movie step bros, and not, as you seem to suggest some 80s music video! F*ck I remember when all this was fields. Mind you , probably will be again soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Maybe Chambers was ill. Maybe he wasn't and the club lied about it. Given his impending transfer, this is what happens; all clubs do it. I don't really care about that lie. I do care that we are selling a great prospect in Chambers. Shocked by that one tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 You can make an excuse for selling any one individual player but you cannot excuse selling half the first team. Even Unbelievable Jeff and NickG combined would struggle to write a statement that had any conviction. Add to that the dishonesty of the previous interviews by Kruguer and Reed and its hardly surprising that the club is losing the confidence of its fans. So a couple of players might be signed and fans should see that as OK? Well, so far its 4, soon to be 5, out and 2 in, both of whom came because of links with the new manager. Reed's promises about players clamouring to be here was empty rhetoric as none have turned up. Some posters have said there will be a statement when we sign a player - of course there will, as any new signing has to be announced, even if it is a 15yr old goalkeeper from Torquay. What is pointless, is a statement of excuses from the club for allowing the team to be dismantled. Pointless because there is no excuse. When it was clear Pochettino was going the club could have acted immediately by putting a block on any player sales and announcing that to the public and the football world. They could also have also have identified specific targets to strengthen the squad, for example, a GK and a CB, and had those names ready for the new manager on his appointment. But instead, cashing in the assets has been the priority. As fans, we might as well write-off this season and possibly the next year or so until the club has new management, and preferably, new ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Can't see how they can make a statement without contradicting everything they have previously said,unless they plan to throw Koeman under the bus and say he sold them all as he didn't want them. New players are the only statement the club can make at the minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Didn't Ralph say that he wanted to raise the profile of the club? We're certainly getting our name about, we're all over The Sport Bible and all the footy jokes accounts on Twitter this morning, so mission accomplished, I don't know why all you think he's incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Here's the problem, they have lied or been economical with the truth to date so what is the point of a statement "we are not a selling club" Liars. Ok I accept most of it is pressure from want away players going to higher placed clubs and much higher salaries but why give a statement that you cannot back up "we have had no bids for players" Lallana & Shaw were aware of firm offers before the World Cup so lies again "we have players were are targeting but it takes time" This seems a one way process as we have completed the sale of all those players other clubs wanted!! Lies again? "Chambers has been injured and not trained for a few days" That is because he was having a medical at Arsenal Why lie. Why not just say he is not available tonight! Lies again? So, what is the point of club statements. The old adage "don't talk the talk - walk the walk" comes to mind. I am not confident we can do that any more. Good post and very true our communication has been atrocious what is our strategy how are we intending to deliver it at least if this was clear we might understand! When you add in the departures to date the comments by many players, the Morgan comments in the echo from some months ago above and the report on Mali from the Swiss papers, I am not filled with confidence that the club know what they are doing or that they are even capable of completing 6 or more good transfers in less than 6 weeks I hope I am wrong and those with dry beds are proved correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 You can make an excuse for selling any one individual player but you cannot excuse selling half the first team. Even Unbelievable Jeff and NickG combined would struggle to write a statement that had any conviction. Add to that the dishonesty of the previous interviews by Kruguer and Reed and its hardly surprising that the club is losing the confidence of its fans. So a couple of players might be signed and fans should see that as OK? Well, so far its 4, soon to be 5, out and 2 in, both of whom came because of links with the new manager. Reed's promises about players clamouring to be here was empty rhetoric as none have turned up. Some posters have said there will be a statement when we sign a player - of course there will, as any new signing has to be announced, even if it is a 15yr old goalkeeper from Torquay. What is pointless, is a statement of excuses from the club for allowing the team to be dismantled. Pointless because there is no excuse. When it was clear Pochettino was going the club could have acted immediately by putting a block on any player sales and announcing that to the public and the football world. They could also have also have identified specific targets to strengthen the squad, for example, a GK and a CB, and had those names ready for the new manager on his appointment. But instead, cashing in the assets has been the priority. As fans, we might as well write-off this season and possibly the next year or so until the club has new management, and preferably, new ownership. I agree there is no excuse however it is dressed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 You can make an excuse for selling any one individual player but you cannot excuse selling half the first team. Even Unbelievable Jeff and NickG combined would struggle to write a statement that had any conviction. Add to that the dishonesty of the previous interviews by Kruguer and Reed and its hardly surprising that the club is losing the confidence of its fans. So a couple of players might be signed and fans should see that as OK? Well, so far its 4, soon to be 5, out and 2 in, both of whom came because of links with the new manager. Reed's promises about players clamouring to be here was empty rhetoric as none have turned up. Some posters have said there will be a statement when we sign a player - of course there will, as any new signing has to be announced, even if it is a 15yr old goalkeeper from Torquay. What is pointless, is a statement of excuses from the club for allowing the team to be dismantled. Pointless because there is no excuse. When it was clear Pochettino was going the club could have acted immediately by putting a block on any player sales and announcing that to the public and the football world. They could also have also have identified specific targets to strengthen the squad, for example, a GK and a CB, and had those names ready for the new manager on his appointment. But instead, cashing in the assets has been the priority. As fans, we might as well write-off this season and possibly the next year or so until the club has new management, and preferably, new ownership. It's incredible to think that at the end of last season fans were discussing the need to add between three and five players to the squad to consolidate and be able to push on. With the sales of first team so far this figure is approaching ten, so virtually a new side now required. The biggest mistake that Lowe made was to think that all football fans were gullible idiots, it seems that Krueger and Reed are cut from the same cloth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Les Reed is a busted flush. I am not interested in any statement from him now, after his last one I simply wouldn't believe him. All I am interested in is signing new players and keeping what we've got (Osvaldo excepted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Guys grow a pair, the club will show their intents in the next few weeks. Stop begging for reassurances, it is embarrassing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Not sure I would blame Reed for this although Krueger is certainly culpable. Last week I could buy Lambert, Lallana, Lovren and Shaw leaving as it all kinda made sense for different reasons, but The Chambers sale made no sense at all!! Sadly, this whole situation really does have "Club for Sale" written all over it - Sell assets big, replace with cheaper (but probably still capable assets) and clear the debts with the remaining float. Bingo - There is a nice premiership club with first class infrastructure and no debt ready for the highest bidder! That of course can be regarded as sensitive stuff so any statements are bound to be nebulous and ambiguous - Or not forthcoming at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Gary Lineker and the world of Twitter are all over Koeman's post about training today. It is probably a completely innocent update from Koeman with no hidden meaning at all but it seems the social media world are revelling and enjoying the chaos at St Mary's. Ready for #Training! pic.twitter.com/o4N7ACbOFs— Ronald Koeman (@Koeman1963) July 28, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 All those people saying "grow a pair" or "have patience" can you please show me another club that's sold this many FIRST TEAM players in one transfer window, and/or had success in changing so many of it's playing staff, plus manager? Who knows if we'll get relegated but it's certainly not being in meltdown to say that this is nigh on a disaster for us, money or no money, and is going to be incredibly difficult to recover from. All i know is that any lingering hope i had in ever being able to compete has no gone. The premier league is hedged towards the top more than ever, combine that with ticket prices, **** atmospheres, plastic fans/jcls, annoying kick off times etc. etc. and i just don't see the point anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Guys grow a pair, the club will show their intents in the next few weeks. Stop begging for reassurances, it is embarrassing! Haha you are obviously one of those fans in denial, who has there head well and truly buried in the sand. Get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Yes tweeting a pic of an empty training ground. Innocent but obvious source of mockery given exodus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Not sure I would blame Reed for this although Krueger is certainly culpable. Last week I could buy Lambert, Lallana, Lovren and Shaw leaving as it all kinda made sense for different reasons, but The Chambers sale made no sense at all!! Sadly, this whole situation really does have "Club for Sale" written all over it - Sell assets big, replace with cheaper (but probably still capable assets) and clear the debts with the remaining float. Bingo - There is a nice premiership club with first class infrastructure and no debt ready for the highest bidder! That of course can be regarded as sensitive stuff so any statements are bound to be nebulous and ambiguous - Or not forthcoming at all! Krueger is nothing, he's culpable of being nothing except taking a job that he seems to have no qualification for. He's a gab artist and hockey expert, doesn't qualify him in any way shape or form to be an active Chairman of a top flight football club. Don't blame him for anything, he took a job because it was a job, he's nothing to do with the current situation. Turn your attentions to the Grey Eminence that we never hear from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Why are people blaming Reed or Krueger for this? They are just employees of the owner. If the club is cashing in on any player who can be sold there is only reason for this, the owner wants to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Why are people so obsessed with hearing things from the club?.....please get it into your heads that it is owned by a private family and they can pretty much do amd say what they like,they dont need to tell us anything. Even if they do decide to put out a statement,it will just be full of spin and half truths,we will never know the full details of anything that goes on behind closed doors so why bother listening to them. A private family saved the club from the brink of extinction and this is the price you pay when the club becomes privately owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Why are people blaming Reed or Krueger for this? They are just employees of the owner. If the club is cashing in on any player who can be sold there is only reason for this, the owner wants to do it. Correct! I think she wants a return on the families investment but to also leave us in a reasonable state when she does - There really is no other explanation in my opinion for this supposed "fire sale" of major assets at top prices and replacing them with good but much less expensive options. debts would then be cleared to make us a very attractive going concern for a new buyer who can come in and (hopefully) build from a very sound financial base. So I don't blame Reed at all - He is doing what he is being paid to do in securing top prices while acquiring others at reasonable prices. Krueger was a sort of "spin doctor" employed for that reason but has spectacularly failed in that sense. All IMHO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 All businesses should talk to their customers, the season ticket holders, as they are selling a product and what exactly is that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Why are people blaming Reed or Krueger for this? They are just employees of the owner. If the club is cashing in on any player who can be sold there is only reason for this, the owner wants to do it. There may be other reasons. Maybe the owner has appointed people to run the club as they see fit, within certain guidelines? That's what normally happens in any business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 They have , they want more of our money http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/18072014-stop-at-the-saints-bar-for-leverkusen-visit-1764468.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Don't worry, we will finish 17th ! Just enough to stay up....maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Don't worry, we will finish 17th ! Just enough to stay up....maybe. After several seasons of being completely adrift with your predictions, this year you might just strike lucky! But it will be good enough for a club in major transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Guys grow a pair, the club will show their intents in the next few weeks. Stop begging for reassurances, it is embarrassing! .....isn't it just ! Some people are still reacting in the same way they did when we were bottom of L1 with -10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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