Marcos Rojo

[Halo Stickman]

Its a fair point - its never a good idea to buy a player just after they've had a decent WC - the price is inflated and so are opinions about ability.

 

This is very true: players can flatter to deceive in major international tournaments.

 

Andreas Jakobsson and Mikael Nilsson looked a lot better playing for Sweden in Euro 2004 than they ever did playing for Saints the following season.

[sadoldgit]

This is very true: players can flatter to deceive in major international tournaments.

 

Andreas Jakobsson and Mikael Nilsson looked a lot better playing for Sweden in Euro 2004 than they ever did playing for Saints the following season.

 

Spot on. WC are not a good yard stick. Some world class players do the biz, some dont and some average players rise to the occasion but cant hack it in the league. Rule of thumb - if you weren't brilliant before the WC and have a brilliant WC, chanes are you will be pants again after. (For WC read Euro too)

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[Dellman]

So if some one is good in the World Cup and becomes available--don't get him. Weird philosophy, thank goodness we haven't a fan on the board!

[hypochondriac]

So if some one is good in the World Cup and becomes available--don't get him. Weird philosophy, thank goodness we haven't a fan on the board!

 

I think the point being made is that a player should not be solely judged on their performance over a few games in a tournament. Many clubs have been burnt with that sort of thing. Hopefully Rojo has been scouted before the cup and so we know his quality.

[shurlock]

I think the point being made is that a player should not be solely judged on their performance over a few games in a tournament. Many clubs have been burnt with that sort of thing. Hopefully Rojo has been scouted before the cup and so we know his quality.

 

Do remember in the Iran game (the argies 2nd game in the group stages iirc), the ITV commentator noting that Chelsea were heavily linked with him.

[Portugalsaint]

It is believed from the fans of Sporting that the price could rise to 20m euros for Rojo. He has been given permission to speak to Southampton officially and Southampton only.

 

The fans are begging him not to go, they think the best is yet to be seen from him.

[wild-saint]

I think the point being made is that a player should not be solely judged on their performance over a few games in a tournament. Many clubs have been burnt with that sort of thing. Hopefully Rojo has been scouted before the cup and so we know his quality.

 

 

another way to look at it is if he is good enough to make the argentina 1st 11 in a world cup year he must be well fairly good.

[Portugalsaint]

According to Sporting Lisbon fans he's an extremely good player. He would be a real catch if we can get him. He will get a game playing for Saints whereas if he goes to the bigger clubs he won't be guaranteed a game. I am also looking at their site as they have mentioned Schniedelin.

[cf saint]

The Sporting fans I speak to seem content if goes for 15+m euros - Portuguese football is broke so they need money and seem to think the team may be improved by the money rather than keeping him.

[hypochondriac]

another way to look at it is if he is good enough to make the argentina 1st 11 in a world cup year he must be well fairly good.

 

I don't have an in depth knowledge of Argentinian left backs so I couldn't answer that question.

[hypochondriac]

Do remember in the Iran game (the argies 2nd game in the group stages iirc), the ITV commentator noting that Chelsea were heavily linked with him.

 

Tbf Chelsea get linked with all sorts of players including dross so I don't think that's necessarily an indicator of quality. Still this signing is clearly a step up from some of our other signings this summer if it happens. He will have big shoes to fill in the form of lovren, I hope he is up for the challenge.

[Portugalsaint]

Sporting fans have also said that they could swap him for Schniedelin !!!! According to their forum.

 

17m has been turned down today, clearly they are holding out for top euro. He is well worth the money and at least not addicted to Nando's.

[SarniaSaint]

Any fans of other clubs reading SWF would conclude

 

Lambert, would have been sold to the glue factory

Lallana, decent player for 65 minutes with a powder puff shot

Shaw, rampant addiction to Burger King and can't cross for toffee

Lovren, great for 10 games and would be lost without Big Vic and Mad Artur

 

You forgot Chambers who wouldn't be first choice but the above I true

[Goatboy]

Sporting fans have also said that they could swap him for Schniedelin !!!! According to their forum.

 

17m has been turned down today, clearly they are holding out for top euro. He is well worth the money and at least not addicted to Nando's.

 

[The9]

Les I believe in you, now just ****ing put a sensible offer in and get it sorted, ruthless don would have this completed in no time..

 

Yeah, just like he did with Gastón.

[Saint Fan CaM]

The rumours on this one seem so weak, plus the money required to release him tends to make me believe this is not going to happen anytime soon. But hey, Reed may be able to mastermind something.

[CB Fry]

The rumours on this one seem so weak, plus the money required to release him tends to make me believe this is not going to happen anytime soon. But hey, Reed may be able to mastermind something.

Not that weak.

[Leicestersaint]

We're being taken to the cleaners here - we should walk away.

[DT]

Funny sort of cleaners with £80m in reserve...

[once_bitterne]

We're being taken to the cleaners here - we should walk away.

 

We always do.

[MarkSFC]

We're being taken to the cleaners here - we should walk away.

 

Liverpool, Utd and Arsenal had to reach our premium for players. It works two way you clueless mong

[badgerx16]

We're being taken to the cleaners here - we should walk away.

 

A bit like us selling players to Liverpool and Man Utd ?

[Batman]

A bit like us selling players to Liverpool and Man Utd ?

 

we do that, no problem

[Saint_clark]

Tbf Chelsea get linked with all sorts of players including dross so I don't think that's necessarily an indicator of quality. Still this signing is clearly a step up from some of our other signings this summer if it happens. He will have big shoes to fill in the form of lovren, I hope he is up for the challenge.

 

Remember Asier Del Horno?

[Window Cleaner]

The Sporting fans I speak to seem content if goes for 15+m euros - Portuguese football is broke so they need money and seem to think the team may be improved by the money rather than keeping him.

 

 

They don't get much of it anyway, I wonder if they actually know that 75% of whatever they get ends up in the coffers of a kazakh backed venture capitalist.

[Wes Tender]

We're being taken to the cleaners here - we should walk away.

 

We should, but then we would get the usual suspects on here moaning that a player brought in couldn't possibly be as good as the player sold, unless he costs the same. Here there is a dilemma, as Rojo's position is unclear. If he is a replacement for Shaw, he would have to cost £30 million to be any good, whereas if he is to replace Lovren, then £20 millions should see the moaners satisfied. The more sensible ones would reason that as Lovren only cost £8 million or so just over a year ago, it ought to be possible to replace him for a fairly similar amount with a bit of digging. The inflated price for our players was achived because we didn't need to sell them and several top clubs were after them. In the case of Rojo, I suspect that the need to sell is greater, although there are supposedly others chasing him. It is all simple supply and demand as usual and depends how much we and others want him, and whether an alternative player as good can be had for less money elsewhere. I can't help but feel that Rojo would have been a better fit for our last manager, although him signing Osvaldo points to him not necessarily being capable of getting the most from his fellow countrymen.

[Turkish]

Remember Asier Del Horno?

 

Kezman.

[shurlock]

We should, but then we would get the usual suspects on here moaning that a player brought in couldn't possibly be as good as the player sold, unless he costs the same. Here there is a dilemma, as Rojo's position is unclear. If he is a replacement for Shaw, he would have to cost £30 million to be any good, whereas if he is to replace Lovren, then £20 millions should see the moaners satisfied. The more sensible ones would reason that as Lovren only cost £8 million or so just over a year ago, it ought to be possible to replace him for a fairly similar amount with a bit of digging. The inflated price for our players was achived because we didn't need to sell them and several top clubs were after them. In the case of Rojo, I suspect that the need to sell is greater, although there are supposedly others chasing him. It is all simple supply and demand as usual and depends how much we and others want him, and whether an alternative player as good can be had for less money elsewhere. I can't help but feel that Rojo would have been a better fit for our last manager, although him signing Osvaldo points to him not necessarily being capable of getting the most from his fellow countrymen.

 

Wrong.

 

Lovren represented a gamble of sorts, having gone off the boil in France (not entirely his fault). More important, as is the case with many foreign players, not least defenders, there were no guarantees that Lovren would take to English football like a duck to water.

 

The £8m we paid for Lovren reflected those risks. The player we sold a year later (mindful it was only one season) had none of those question marks over him. Thus, if we are serious about bringing in like-for-like, we need proven quality - and that is likely to cost well more than £8m.

 

Pontificating about moaners and sensible posters doesn't make your argument any less shoddy.

Edited 8 August, 2014 by shurlock

[Tokyo-Saint]

Wayne Bridge

[shurlock]

Kezman.

 

Hopefully Pelle doesn't have the same problems adapting from Dutch football to English football as Kezman did.

[Chez]

Swansea in for another Argentinian centre half - Federico Fernandez. Seems to be a lot cheaper than Rojo too. Is he any good?

[Turkish]

Swansea in for another Argentinian centre half - Federico Fernandez. Seems to be a lot cheaper than Rojo too. Is he any good?

 

Dreadful. Saw him play in a Serie A game v Fiorentina when i was in Naples a while back. Got torn to shreads by the Fiorentina CF. He gave away a penalty, scored an own goal and got sent off. Reminded me of Richard Dryden. Swanseas can have him.

[Batman]

Dreadful. Saw him play in a Serie A game v Fiorentina when i was in Naples a while back. Got torn to shreads by the Fiorentina CF. He gave away a penalty, scored an own goal and got sent off. Reminded me of Richard Dryden. Swanseas can have him.

 

bit like Jos Hooiveld, yes?

[Turkish]

bit like Jos Hooiveld, yes?

 

A slightly camper version, yes.

[Wildgoose]

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/third-party-owners-brought-into-southampton-deal-it-s-not-over-ye

[The9]

Kezman.

 

You're not allowed to say bad things about failed signings of Serbian attackers or players who score lots of goals in the Eredivisie, people get touchy.

[Block 5]

Perhaps the company are happy with the deal but the club want their 25% up front.

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[The9]

Any fans of other clubs reading SWF would conclude

 

Lambert, would have been sold to the glue factory

Lallana, decent player for 65 minutes with a powder puff shot

Shaw, rampant addiction to Burger King and can't cross for toffee

Lovren, great for 10 games and would be lost without Big Vic and Mad Artur

 

Right on the first 3.

[The9]

I don't have an in depth knowledge of Argentinian left backs so I couldn't answer that question.

 

They have a long-standing history of playing CBs all across the back line - though considering how advanced Rojo was in Argentina's opening game "for a LB" he's not really your typical CB anyway.

Edited 8 August, 2014 by The9

[Lazlo78]

They have a long-standing history of playing CBs all across the back line - though considering how advanced Rojo was in Argentina's opening game "for a LB" he's not really your typical CB anyway.

 

They also played this vvanker for 11 years!

 

[SaintRobbie]

"Sporting president Bruno de Carvalho confirmed on Thursday that bids had been received for Rojo but he didn't elaborate any further, he's probably not able to at this stage. Southampton have even asked for staged payment, which Sporting are fully against. €4m in one payment is a disappointment, in several it becomes farcical from their perspective."

 

Thought this was interesting, just found a new article on Rojo. Staged payment when we have £92m before tax to spend? Krueger has some explaining to do.

 

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/third-party-owners-brought-into-southampton-deal-it-s-not-over-ye

Edited 8 August, 2014 by SaintRobbie

[Batman]

a couple of reports that our bids are farcical or derisory

[Turkish]

a couple of reports that our bids are farcical or derisory

 

Les certainly is a tough negoiator. Great to see he wont let us be ripped off.

[Gingeletiss]

"Sporting president Bruno de Carvalho confirmed on Thursday that bids had been received for Rojo but he didn't elaborate any further, he's probably not able to at this stage. Southampton have even asked for staged payment, which Sporting are fully against. €4m in one payment is a disappointment, in several it becomes farcical from their perspective."

 

Thought this was interesting, just found a new article on Rojo. Staged payment when we have £92m before tax to spend? Krueger has some explaining to do.

 

But we don't have 92 million, most of that is also 'staged' payments, or do you believe we have been paid all those transfer fees up front?

[notnowcato]

"Sporting president Bruno de Carvalho confirmed on Thursday that bids had been received for Rojo but he didn't elaborate any further, he's probably not able to at this stage. Southampton have even asked for staged payment, which Sporting are fully against. €4m in one payment is a disappointment, in several it becomes farcical from their perspective."

 

Thought this was interesting, just found a new article on Rojo. Staged payment when we have £92m before tax to spend? Krueger has some explaining to do.

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/third-party-owners-brought-into-southampton-deal-it-s-not-over-ye

 

Staged payments is common practice, even from the elite clubs.

[SaintRobbie]

a couple of reports that our bids are farcical or derisory

 

I can understand why we would want value for money, but staged payments?? Makes no sense, unless there really are no plans to spend 'every penny from player sales' as the owner/boardroom have other plans for it. Looking dodgier by the day.

[Halo Stickman]

... we would get the usual suspects on here moaning that a player brought in couldn't possibly be as good as the player sold, unless he costs the same. Here there is a dilemma, as Rojo's position is unclear. If he is a replacement for Shaw, he would have to cost £30 million to be any good, whereas if he is to replace Lovren, then £20 millions should see the moaners satisfied.

 

… not to mention the dilemma of having to find a £16 million right back willing to play in our reserve team for large parts of the season.

[Batman]

… not to mention the dilemma of having to find a £16 million right back willing to play in our reserve team for large parts of the season.

 

who was that, then?

[buctootim]

But we don't have 92 million, most of that is also 'staged' payments, or do you believe we have been paid all those transfer fees up front?

 

Its been explained to him endlessly. He's simply too thick to get it.

[Alain Perrin]

I think the point being made is that a player should not be solely judged on their performance over a few games in a tournament. Many clubs have been burnt with that sort of thing. Hopefully Rojo has been scouted before the cup and so we know his quality.

 

Two words. Karel Poborsky. Legend in his own lunchtime.