sotonist Posted 2 August, 2014 Share Posted 2 August, 2014 The guy who bought our club, started its renaissance and whose money is still funding it is dead. You have zero evidence that he wasnt a successful businessman beyond supposition. So why impugn somebody who has done so much for this club based on nothing at all? Im not sure what reaction you expected tbh. I didn't say he was unsuccessful I said there's little evidence that he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 August, 2014 Share Posted 2 August, 2014 I didn't say he was unsuccessful I said there's little evidence that he was. And the value of saying that is what? People need to know when its important to speak and when its important to stfu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 2 August, 2014 Share Posted 2 August, 2014 And the value of saying that is what? People need to know when its important to speak and when its important to stfu. The context was in response to the assertion that KL's father was the businessman, not her. The "value of saying that" was to point out that her grandfather was the successful businessman, while her father has no track record of individual success in evidence. Arguably he was a more successful businessperson than his daughter in light of the fact MALI Group suffered many job losses and has clearly been scaled back in his absence, but that may arguably be because engineering was his personal interest and not KL's. He might even have been subsidising losses. IIRC the few revenue figures I got wind of were not remotely close to those of a 3bn empire. Football was his personal interest, not KL's. Thats not to say SFC is being managed the way MALI was. We appear to be on a hiring binge. I see no reason to "STFU" about the myth of ML which apparently stands without scrutiny, based on ropey information. If you have better information, I'd love to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 2 August, 2014 Share Posted 2 August, 2014 The context was in response to the assertion that KL's father was the businessman, not her. The "value of saying that" was to point out that her grandfather was the successful businessman, while her father has no track record of individual success in evidence. Arguably he was a more successful businessperson than his daughter in light of the fact MALI Group suffered many job losses and has clearly been scaled back in his absence, but that may arguably be because engineering was his personal interest and not KL's. He might even have been subsidising losses. IIRC the few revenue figures I got wind of were not remotely close to those of a 3bn empire. Football was his personal interest, not KL's. Thats not to say SFC is being managed the way MALI was. We appear to be on a hiring binge. I see no reason to "STFU" about the myth of ML which apparently stands without scrutiny, based on ropey information. If you have better information, I'd love to hear it. Just out of curiosity, what's the definition of success applied to ML? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 August, 2014 Share Posted 2 August, 2014 Just out of curiosity, what's the definition of success applied to ML? Winning the FA Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 2 August, 2014 Share Posted 2 August, 2014 Why John Williams was overlooked and the current arrangement preferred is staggering. I fully agree. The current crowd have been made to look rather naïve and out of their depth. Williams would have been a superb appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 2 August, 2014 Share Posted 2 August, 2014 I posted this on 'Koemans new squad' thread but probably a better fit here... It's clear that this is not a spontaneous occurrence, this has been planned for a long time which is precisely why NC left and Kat decided to appoint a motivational speaker rather than a football chairman. She thought he would be the best person to spoon feed us bullshi!t. I don't know what her motivations are but I suspect it's purely a money generating exercise now rather than progressive football club. It was always a money generating exercise difference is NC saw more money being generated as the club progressed KL seems to have decided it cant progress much further so need to start cashing in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Biggest single mistake? Letting Cortese go. No-brainer. It all fell apart from there. Ambition, leadership, ruthlessness, loss of the media war, loss of shrewdness and robustness to resist outside influence on players. Loss of respect for the club leadership from the players... Love him or loathe him, whether it was the right time for him to go or not, it appears that he was holding the ship together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Biggest single mistake? Letting Cortese go. No-brainer. It all fell apart from there. Ambition, leadership, ruthlessness, loss of the media war, loss of shrewdness and robustness to resist outside influence on players. Loss of respect for the club leadership from the players... Love him or loathe him, whether it was the right time for him to go or not, it appears that he was holding the ship together. They begged him to stay but he was asking for unrealistic levels of money and/or control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Biggest single mistake? Letting Cortese go. No-brainer. It all fell apart from there. Ambition, leadership, ruthlessness, loss of the media war, loss of shrewdness and robustness to resist outside influence on players. Loss of respect for the club leadership from the players... Love him or loathe him, whether it was the right time for him to go or not, it appears that he was holding the ship together. One way or another we couldn't afford him. FFP may have been the reason he wouldn't stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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