ratio_decidendi Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Samaras is better than Gallagher. Surely as sub striker he's better than we have? Made that argument already but got accused of merely voicing the opinions of the 'mongboard'. Seems sensible enough to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Micah Richards anyone ?? Man City representative on the Forum..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 AFAIK, there was a report from Italy which said they couldn't do Osvaldo's transfer until Wednesday (can't remember if it was practicalities of the medical or media or waiting for the squad to get back from USA or what) - but that would obviously impact on our ability to unveil the swap player(s) until then. It is one of the few things keeping me sane regarding our transfers at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Samaras is better than Gallagher. Surely as sub striker he's better than we have? From what I've seen of him I don't think he is IMHO. Samaras failed at man city and offers very little to suggest he could make an impact in the premiership at the second attempt. I wouldn't want a player struggling in our team to impact Gallagher and his chance to learn and progress. By the same token I'd take a striker who brings obvious quality, but a player above Samara's ability. I don't want us to fall into the same trap as we did when relegated from the premiership - too many average players on the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Here's some random African site reporting Taider anyway: http://africanfootball.com//news/445802/Saints-welcome-Algerian-starlet-Tader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Crystal Palace have signed 3 players. Aston Villa have signed 5. Data from the official website. http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/summer-transfer-window-2014.html My point being though if you take out clubs who have made free transfer signings it'll probably be a better comparison only 1 of those players, Campbell, would have involved negotiations with the selling club. 7 of those are Free Transfers so the process would have been allot quicker, no selling club to negotiate with, no player chain, not as much paper work when you take out free transfers and concentrate on negotiations whether loan or free Arsenal - 4 signings Aston Villa - 0 (2 development fees) Burnley - 3 signings Chelsea - 4 Signings Palace - 1 Signing Everton - 3 Hull - 4 Leicester - 1 Liverpool - 6 Man City - 2 Utd - 2 Newcastle - 6 QPR - 1 Southampton - 3 Stoke - 2 Sunderland - 2 Swansea - 4 Spurs - 3 WBA - 3 West Ham 6 So 60 signings in totally excluding free transfers which means the average transfers that have been negotiated per club is 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 AFAIK, there was a report from Italy which said they couldn't do Osvaldo's transfer until Wednesday (can't remember if it was practicalities of the medical or media or waiting for the squad to get back from USA or what) - but that would obviously impact on our ability to unveil the swap player(s) until then. It is one of the few things keeping me sane regarding our transfers at this point. Ah http://www.sempreinter.com/2014/08/04/pedulla-schelotto-saints-tuesday-will-be-a-key-day/ His words: ”There have been no updates in the last few days. The stand-by of these days is no surprise, there is not a problem. The parties are simply awaiting the return of Piero Ausilio which is scheduled for tomorrow. After that, the negotiations to take Schelotto to England, together with the Osvaldo operation and with Taider involved as well, could start moving again. Tuesday is possibly a key day”. That was posted on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 From what I've seen of him I don't think he is IMHO. Samaras failed at man city and offers very little to suggest he could make an impact in the premiership at the second attempt. I wouldn't want a player struggling in our team to impact Gallagher and his chance to learn and progress. By the same token I'd take a striker who brings obvious quality, but a player above Samara's ability. I don't want us to fall into the same trap as we did when relegated from the premiership - too many average players on the books. Absolutely. We know what standard Samaras will be come the end of this season, I'd rather Gallagher was given his chance. It could be argued that Gallagher's mobility and aerial threat would cause opposition defences more headaches than the fairly immobile Samaras. Samaras is a quality player on the ball, kind of like a c**p Berbatov. The game has moved on since that ilk could shine in the PL. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 (edited) Re: Gallagher and Samaras... I think I'd like the option, even of a vaguely half-decent lazy striker who might score the odd goal and can play out wide to fill in when our first choices aren't available. It does smack of bloating the squad a bit though. Gallagher has looked quite sharp and confident pre-season, so hopefully he'll get better too. Edited 5 August, 2014 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Has Guan2 given an update since Sunday ... I need some hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 The longer this window drags on the more convinced I am we're going to have a thoroughly disappointing squad come 'September One'. Never been a bed wetter but I really can't see us bringing in anything like the quality we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Gallagher with the option of samaras of the bench, please lord tell me this is a horrible nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Once again, as if we didn't know it, we have proof that no one on this forum is really ITK Still hoping that we have 2 top class CBs just waiting to be announced sometime this week (yeh right) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Gallagher with the option of samaras of the bench, please lord tell me this is a horrible nightmare. Have you forgotten that we signed Pelle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Have you forgotten that we signed Pelle? and, for the time-being, still have Jay Rod.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Does Gary O'Neil's imminent move to Norwich mean Leroy Fer is edging closing to the exit door...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 My point being though if you take out clubs who have made free transfer signings it'll probably be a better comparison only 1 of those players, Campbell, would have involved negotiations with the selling club. 7 of those are Free Transfers so the process would have been allot quicker, no selling club to negotiate with, no player chain, not as much paper work when you take out free transfers and concentrate on negotiations whether loan or free Arsenal - 4 signings Aston Villa - 0 (2 development fees) Burnley - 3 signings Chelsea - 4 Signings Palace - 1 Signing Everton - 3 Hull - 4 Leicester - 1 Liverpool - 6 Man City - 2 Utd - 2 Newcastle - 6 QPR - 1 Southampton - 3 Stoke - 2 Sunderland - 2 Swansea - 4 Spurs - 3 WBA - 3 West Ham 6 So 60 signings in totally excluding free transfers which means the average transfers that have been negotiated per club is 3... good post and a good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich102 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 So 60 signings in totally excluding free transfers which means the average transfers that have been negotiated per club is 3... Fine except the average number of first team players sold is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 good post and a good point Indeed it's a good point, but doesn't take into consideration that we've lost 5 of the starting eleven, which no other premier league team has suffered.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Why when assessing signings would you take out free transfers? Last time I checked they count as signings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 My point being though if you take out clubs who have made free transfer signings it'll probably be a better comparison only 1 of those players, Campbell, would have involved negotiations with the selling club. 7 of those are Free Transfers so the process would have been allot quicker, no selling club to negotiate with, no player chain, not as much paper work when you take out free transfers and concentrate on negotiations whether loan or free Arsenal - 4 signings Aston Villa - 0 (2 development fees) Burnley - 3 signings Chelsea - 4 Signings Palace - 1 Signing Everton - 3 Hull - 4 Leicester - 1 Liverpool - 6 Man City - 2 Utd - 2 Newcastle - 6 QPR - 1 Southampton - 3 Stoke - 2 Sunderland - 2 Swansea - 4 Spurs - 3 WBA - 3 West Ham 6 So 60 signings in totally excluding free transfers which means the average transfers that have been negotiated per club is 3... Other than Chelsea (Fabregas and arguably Costa) and Arsenal (Sanchez), and excluding our erstwhile Saints at Liverpool/ManU and Arsenal, the acquisitions others have made are hardly earth shattering and in all fairness our 3 in so far match up to any bar the "Rich Clubs" ! Granted Hull have strengthened well but thats about it really. Just wondering why we panic sometimes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Other than Chelsea (Fabregas and arguably Costa) and Arsenal (Sanchez), and excluding our erstwhile Saints at Liverpool/ManU and Arsenal, the acquisitions others have made are hardly earth shattering and in all fairness our 3 in so far match up to any bar the "Rich Clubs" ! Granted Hull have strengthened well but thats about it really. Just wondering why we panic sometimes... DJ's numbers on refer to incomings (by way of explanation of the resource involved in a transfer other than a loan or free). Our issue is the net effect of 'in's' vs 'out's' which is another debate altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Just can't hack reading any more of the crap being posted on this thread. It's totally shameful and thankfully it doesn't represent the majority of Saints supporters. We aren't signing new players to get rid of those we have. Koeman operates tactically and uses several plans to win games. He's not a one trick pony like Pochettino was. To do so he needs versatile players and competition for places to keep them up to the best levels of play. Thinking we'll ship out the likes of Cork, Schneiderlin is the narrow minded thinking of the media and those who've not evolved into the thinking of how Koeman manages his squad. Our main Academy graduates who show good potential will most probably be sent out on short term loans as he gets the squad playing the way he wants. One or two will be included in the first team squad.I'm hoping Koeman will be able to find clubs in Holland who play the way he wants us to play. Patience is the one thing greatly lacking and I find myself reverting to losing heart as I read all the crap being posted by people who are extremely childlike and unstable. One bad apple comes to mind and one unstable poster unsettles the rest, it's mass hysteria of late. I post an interesting little book to help those suffering over come the trolls who make the daily lives unstable and miserable "LISTEN LITTLE MAN" was written by a true genius . Wilhelm Reich. http://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/listen_little_man.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 I think Samaras could chip in with 7 or 8 goals. I wouldn't call that making an impact or proving himself in the premier league, I just think he has more chance of doing that than Gallagher. Both are poor options but if we want cheap then Samaras on a free makes sense. Samaras got 4 goals in 35 league appearances for city in 06/07. He would add very little bar depth to our squad even if it would seem tempting on a free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Other than Chelsea (Fabregas and arguably Costa) and Arsenal (Sanchez), and excluding our erstwhile Saints at Liverpool/ManU and Arsenal, the acquisitions others have made are hardly earth shattering and in all fairness our 3 in so far match up to any bar the "Rich Clubs" ! Granted Hull have strengthened well but thats about it really. Just wondering why we panic sometimes... Newcastle have done very well too - Cabella, Rivière, Ferreyra (loan), Janmaat, De Jong and even Colback are good transfers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Why when assessing signings would you take out free transfers? Last time I checked they count as signings? That they do The above was in response to early posts regarding prolonged transfer negotiations. Posters had commented that other clubs don’t seem to have a problem with signing players. Free transfers where taken out of the assessment to give a comparison between transfers that require negotiations with selling clubs as this is the factor that’s most at play regarding the length a transfer takes from start to finish, when comparing transfers that have required negotiations we’re bang on average for incomings. Indeed it's a good point, but doesn't take into consideration that we've lost 5 of the starting eleven, which no other premier league team has suffered.. True, but the amount of players sold doesn’t have any impact on the actual length of the process when buying players, it doesn’t make agents any quicker, or solicitors any quicker. It does of course make it more important to sign players, but that’s a completely different subject. IMHO if anything it probably means transfers take longer to tie up. All selling club knows we have more money to spend and negotiations regarding price have probably become somewhat prolonged as we don’t want to pay over the odds. Again, arguing whether we put ourselves in that position or not really does nothing to impact the actual length transfers take to complete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Newcastle have done very well too - Cabella, Rivière, Ferreyra (loan), Janmaat, De Jong and even Colback are good transfersBut from the squad they used to get their points tally last season they've lost... Remy, Cabaye, Debuchy and look like they may lose Ben Arfa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WokingSaint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 So where are they?? These big money signings we were promised!!?? So far we have signed two relatively unkown players (+ possibly two more I have never heard of) plus a very average left bacK! I have kept the faith until now and have responded to various radio and paper comments that were wide of the mark in my opinion but now, 11 days before the season starts, I am worried, very worried. If they don't deliver soon they will all fall lower than Lowe in my estimation (if you know what I mean) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 My sentiments exactly Art Just can't hack reading any more of the crap being posted on this thread. It's totally shameful and thankfully it doesn't represent the majority of Saints supporters. We aren't signing new players to get rid of those we have. Koeman operates tactically and uses several plans to win games. He's not a one trick pony like Pochettino was. To do so he needs versatile players and competition for places to keep them up to the best levels of play. Thinking we'll ship out the likes of Cork, Schneiderlin is the narrow minded thinking of the media and those who've not evolved into the thinking of how Koeman manages his squad. Our main Academy graduates who show good potential will most probably be sent out on short term loans as he gets the squad playing the way he wants. One or two will be included in the first team squad.I'm hoping Koeman will be able to find clubs in Holland who play the way he wants us to play. Patience is the one thing greatly lacking and I find myself reverting to losing heart as I read all the crap being posted by people who are extremely childlike and unstable. One bad apple comes to mind and one unstable poster unsettles the rest, it's mass hysteria of late. I post an interesting little book to help those suffering over come the trolls who make the daily lives unstable and miserable "LISTEN LITTLE MAN" was written by a true genius . Wilhelm Reich. http://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/listen_little_man.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Meanwhile, Simon Peach: "Expecting Saphir Taïder to #SaintsFC & Dani Osvaldo to #Inter to be confirmed later this afternoon." Brilliant news, if somewhat expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 5m Expecting Saphir Taïder to #SaintsFC & Dani Osvaldo to #Inter to be confirmed later this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Meanwhile, Simon Peach: "Expecting Saphir Taïder to #SaintsFC & Dani Osvaldo to #Inter to be confirmed later this afternoon." Brilliant news, if somewhat expected. Magic. Not. He may turn out to be a very useful player but he seems to only be signing because Inter want Osvaldo, would we have gone for him if not? And yes I have considered that perhaps we forced the issue on wanting him once it was clear Inter wanted Osvaldo, so we will see. Priority signings remain at least one CB, two really. I do not think Fonte plus one with Yoshida and Jos as back up is good enough. Unless JRod is less than a couple of months from returning we need another decent striker, I would still be very happy with ings or Guidetti. A goalkeeper is vital regardless of some peoples reasoning that Boruc might go, every team needs two keepers capable of being first choice. A bonus would be another winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 I prefer to look at the present rather than 7 years ago, otherwise Lambert would have been a sh1t option too. Samaras is far better than he was then. That doesn't mean he's good, he's not. It's a depressing cheap signing. But the only point was I think he's more likely to get a few goals than Gallagher! IF IF IF we're not looking to spend money, then he is a sensible signing. Ok we differ on that-i don't think Samaras really is better, flattered somewhat in a weak Scottish league and honestly I think Gallagher would possibly get a similar goals return. But totally agree it would be a rather depressing signing. Who knows there maybe other targets we aren't aware of yet, plus this samaras link seems to be from one paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Magic. Not. He may turn out to be a very useful player but he seems to only be signing because Inter want Osvaldo, would we have gone for him if not? And yes I have considered that perhaps we forced the issue on wanting him once it was clear Inter wanted Osvaldo, so we will see. Priority signings remain at least one CB, two really. I do not think Fonte plus one with Yoshida and Jos as back up is good enough. Unless JRod is less than a couple of months from returning we need another decent striker, I would still be very happy with ings or Guidetti. A goalkeeper is vital regardless of some peoples reasoning that Boruc might go, every team needs two keepers capable of being first choice. A bonus would be another winger. He was on our list before this window, so I think the club have just looked at this as an opportunity to 'acquire' him in a different sort of deal. I think he's a good player, one I'm looking forward to watching, and one I feel will add some real competition to the entire midfield area. I'll be honest though, I'm a little concerned that we've lost a fair few deals in the last few weeks. Mid-week last week we had 'club sources' saying they hoped to sign 2/3 players by the end of the week, and that was after Bertrand. And then we had Koeman saying he hopes to get 2/3 over the line at the weekend.....and our ITK sources on here saying it will likely be Monday though. But we're now into Tuesday and we've not even confirmed Taider yet....and that's a pretty straight forward one in terms of financial outlay! I'm a little bit nervous, but I'm just hoping the slowness is down to this time of year......and not that we're just missing out on the deals we want. I hope and pray the Samaras one is nothing but waffle, as this wouldn't help cure my fears.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Samaras got 4 goals in 35 league appearances for city in 06/07. He would add very little bar depth to our squad even if it would seem tempting on a free. That's an excellent point. I seem to remember that Ronaldo wasn't as good 8 years ago as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Mid-week last week we had 'club sources' saying they hoped to sign 2/3 players by the end of the week I'm pretty sure that was a press leak from the club to appease the fans as it was broken the same day RK did his press conferences, that being said I will be amazed if we haven't tied up 2-3 more deals before the game at SMS this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Ralph Krueger has just confirmed the Taider deal according to Adam Blackmore: "#saintsfc chairman Ralph Krueger "excited" at the prospect of Saphir Taider joining the club from Inter Milan - announcement expected later" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Ralph Krueger has just confirmed the Taider deal according to Adam Blackmore: "#saintsfc chairman Ralph Krueger "excited" at the prospect of Saphir Taider joining the club from Inter Milan - announcement expected later" Not entirely sure I'd put myself in the 'excited' camp for a loan deal, after what he waffled last week about being given the green light to invest £70m!, but it's a start! And a good player tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Interesting to read opinions on Samaras... http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=143564 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Ralph Krueger has just confirmed the Taider deal according to Adam Blackmore: "#saintsfc chairman Ralph Krueger "excited" at the prospect of Saphir Taider joining the club from Inter Milan - announcement expected later" Is that a form of Bedwetting ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Mid-week last week we had 'club sources' saying they hoped to sign 2/3 players by the end of the week I'm pretty sure that was a press leak from the club to appease the fans as it was broken the same day RK did his press conferences, that being said I will be amazed if we haven't tied up 2-3 more deals before the game at SMS this weekend. Koeman said after the Brighton game he hoped to 'complete 2 or 3 signings over the weekend'. That obviously didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 But from the squad they used to get their points tally last season they've lost... Remy, Cabaye, Debuchy and look like they may lose Ben Arfa. Yeah true, just making the point that they've replaced with the right number of players and right sort of quality. Whereas it's yet to be seen what we are going to end up with as we've lost a similar % of our goals last season to Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Koeman said after the Brighton game he hoped to 'complete 2 or 3 signings over the weekend'. That obviously didn't happen. Lets hope they get completed this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 ****ing hell , I last had internet 4 days ago , fully expecting to come on here to see these 2/3 signings that we're supposed to be in over the weekend , where the **** are they this is taking the **** ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Perhaps it was two thirds of a signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 31s And for my next trick, I will turn a 3,471-word interview transcript into a 700-word story #abracadabra They're just putting together the PR stuff for Taider now, then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 The frustration is that others seem to be able to complete signings but we keep hearing statements saying this week etc but very little action? Sunderland don't appear to have taken long organising Rodwell to come in yet we still wait for another loan? Are players just not willing to join us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Sunderland don't appear to have taken long organising Rodwell to come in. How do you know that? Yet we still wait for another loan. Are players just not willing to join us? BBC journalist and ESPN are reporting a deal for Fraser Forster is close. You appear to be jumping to conclusions on all counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Sunderland don't appear to have taken long organising Rodwell to come in yet we still wait for another loan? How long did Sunderland spend on his signing all told? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 BBC journalist and ESPN are reporting a deal for Fraser Forster is close. No mention of VvD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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