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Batman

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:lol:

 

Brilliant! However bit harsh of Heisenberg - I am a changed man :)

 

In fact reading Batmans / Hypos nonsense this past few weeks, realised just what a d1ck I was as Glasgow. We are all aware of the negativity, we dont need some clown reminding us every 2 minutes.

 

Ive met some pr1cks in my time, but Batman and Hypo are a couple of Cactus at the moment!! ;)

just wait till koeman has a dodgy spell and you post up his form record. over and over and over

and you start calling him Kukoo-man or something

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Indeed - very reminiscent of Norwich last year who we kept being told on here were the example we should be following. Worked out pretty well for them.

 

there getting players in early does not automatically mean they will be shyt

a great deal of their shytness was down to their god awful manager

 

put pochettino in charge of that lot and they do not go down

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shurlock

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just wait till koeman has a dodgy spell and you post up his form record. over and over and over

and you start calling him Kukoo-man or something

 

Nah- Glasgow's a luvved up member of the new management - this is someone who set his stall out against 'Mopo'.

 

What we can expect is tedious sugar-coating while smugly pointing out others negativity should things go badly. Still a troll - and will be happier for doing it all under the radar.

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Fitzhugh Fella

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Having friends in the professional game, I have a slight insight to how it works.

 

Players will wait till the last minute to ensure something better doesn't come along, hence the mad rush before the window closes and why there's always at least 1 big story on transfer deadline day.

 

Also the pure logistics of signings is rarely thought of, players coming from abroad are at the mercy of chartered flights the need for interpreters during their negotiations, somewhere to stay etc etc, there's also mountains and mountains of paper work & if a player is using a popular football agent then that paperwork & the legal paperwork can get held up for considerable time.

 

I was told this by a Chelsea scout who had links to grass roots football in Southampton, echoed by others I know in the game both currently working at St Marys & others who have played.

 

Imagine you’re selling\buying an average footballer & you’re using a popular football agent.

 

That agent is also going to be dealing with 10, 20, 30 other moves at the same time. All of those players are of varying ability. The agent, naturally, will concentrate on pushing the larger transfers through first as that’s where he makes his biggest commission so smaller deals can take allot longer to complete. Of course that’s in relative terms. If the agent has a £30million transfer going through then a £15milion transfer is still "smaller"

 

It’s a bit like buying a house in some respects, once whoever is doing the Initial negotiations to buy a player (in our case Les Reed) has agreed a fee with the same person at the selling club then they don’t have much more to do with the transfer until the player is at the buying club for talks. It's just as frustrating for them as they sit around and wait for updates from solicitors\legal teams etc.

 

Some selling clubs won’t release a player for talks with a buying club until a proposed payment structure is in place, in which case the buying clubs financial director will work with the buying clubs legal team, make a proposal to the selling club, which is usual sent back with amendments & then a legal back & forth could potentially last up to 2 weeks. (much the same as when you're buying a house) During that time if the media get wind of the move then it alerts other clubs, players are then linked in the media to other buying clubs (even if the rumour is unsubstantiated) and the player could then choose to delay talks to see if something better materialises. Of course clever agents at this stage may decided to leak stories to flush out other clubs, especially if the player isn't that keen on the move to the original club.

 

There is also allot of back and forth with the players legal representative & the buying clubs legal representative with concerns to player contracts, once the player is eventually at the club for talks. The player is rarely involved in these Negotiations , often it is the agent that will tell the player "I can get you 30k a week" so the agent will speak with the players legal representative who in turn talks with the buying clubs legal team & a player contract is then thrashed out, Image rights etc being the main hang up these days. The agents fee will normally be determined by whether the player does get the 30k a week he was promised plus cuts of image rights etc, so in most cases that negotiation is held up agents refusing to budge on the players demands (The player often having no knowledge of the reduced offer)

 

Medicals could then show up concerns which would require both amendments to how much the player is costing the club and subsequently the proposed payment plan & players contract as the club may want to mitigate a risk that has been thrown up. This will start the whole legal back & forth again.

 

That's in a nutshell too

 

Loans are (somewhat) simpler which is why they're becoming more popular

 

Cheers an illuminating read. Gone are the days when Ted Bates drove to Burnley, had lunch with Bob Lord the Claret's chairman and then drove Brian O'Neil and his boots back to Southampton that same afternoon, and that was our record transfer at the time.

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Unbelievable Jeff

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:lol:

 

Brilliant! However bit harsh of Heisenberg - I am a changed man :)

 

In fact reading Batmans / Hypos nonsense this past few weeks, realised just what a d1ck I was as Glasgow. We are all aware of the negativity, we dont need some clown reminding us every 2 minutes.

 

Ive met some pr1cks in my time, but Batman and Hypo are a couple of Cactus at the moment!! ;)

 

Ha, awesome!

 

Hypo I've ignored for years, I seem to remember him commenting on someone who had lost a baby in a very derogatory way and that did it for me. The guy is a grade A ***** and should have banned for life for that.

 

Batman is just bored now he's not getting bum tickled on a sub and decides to troll, but with none of the old Glasgow style stats. Makes him too easy to deflect.

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Dan Johnson

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Other teams still get deals over the line a lot quicker

 

There's no real way of knowing whether that actually is the case, that would suggest we'd know the ins and outs of every transfer, which we simply dont.

 

Of course we have signed 3 players this summer already, but each negotiation is different, each with its own set of hurdles to overcome.

 

For the top 5-7 clubs it’s allot easier as agents know those clubs are the top payers and that generally speaking, the player isn’t likely to get a better move. When Saints look to buy a player, it’s always possible that a bigger club could come in.

 

When you compare our transfer activity to clubs outside of the top 7 this summer, signing 3 players, we’re probably about average I’d suggest?

 

The need to purchase players doesn’t really make the actual process of purchasing them any easier, in fact it probably makes it harder in our case as clubs know we have allot of money to spend

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Unbelievable Jeff

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Funny how you can be labelled a troll for (rightly) suggesting this window has been utterly poor so far. :lol:

 

I don't think anyone is suggesting this. I don't think anyone is happy with where we are right now, however, there are different ways of interpreting what is happening and how many times you assert that point of view. I think that is why.

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Agree. I think we've done 'okay' so far. Need a good cb obviously and a better depth at GK and rb.

 

I don't believe our signings thus far match the noises from the club about pushing on and doing even better however the club were hardly going to say anything else to be fair to them.

 

I don't like the idea of loaning players as it reeks of short-term fixes. Pelle and Tadic seem good replacements for Lambert and Lallana thus far.

 

The team will be different, I have no fears about going down but the club really do need to show some muscle in the market.

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Polaroid Saint

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It’s a bit like buying a house in some respects, once whoever is doing the Initial negotiations to buy a player (in our case Les Reed) has agreed a fee with the same person at the selling club then they don’t have much more to do with the transfer until the player is at the buying club for talks. It's just as frustrating for them as they sit around and wait for updates from solicitors\legal teams etc.

 

This^

 

Gawd, I can only hope some of our, ahem, 'less patient' posters never have to try to sell/buy a house. It may well kill them.

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OldNick

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Only QPR and Man Utd have signed less than SFC at this point.
thaat makes me feel a lot better if we have signed more than QPR, although deadline day Harry likes to keep his media profile up by having about 10 as the window closes and the Sky cameras are chasing to get pics of him
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Dan Johnson

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Only QPR and Man Utd have signed less than SFC at this point.

 

Palace have also only signed 2 players.

 

Also you take out clubs who have made free transfer signings it'll probably be a better comparison.

 

Aston Villa 4 senior signings - all free transfers

West Brom 6 signings, - 3 free transfers, - 1 Loan, - 2 transfers.

 

We were also hindered by not having a manager for part of the summer, the manager always wants to judge the quality in the squad & highlight positions he'd like to strengthen in, where as other clubs are already prepared for that (West Brom apart in this case)

 

Don't get me wrong, we need new signings, not taking sides either just highlighting that there's allot of facts to consider.

 

It's like the housing market, if its moving slowly then your choice of new home is limited by who's willing to sell. You're also buying into a chain, where you have to wait for the occupants of that house to find a better home and so on and so on. The difference being of course that your current house isn't going to demand a move to a better part of the country :-)

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rudi7s

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I understand we do need some players but please don't get that effing Schellotto, I hate it when clubs have players forced upon them. Koeman would have been nowhere near him (or Taider for that matter, but he's half decent so that's fine) if it hadn't have been for the Osvaldo deal. Let our guys identify, find and secure players we want, it will be the only way to come out of this summer with some credibility.

 

Pelle, Tadic, Bertrand and Taider are 4 v. decent signings - lets park those rumours linking us with Samaras and the like and bring in some more quality.

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It's like the housing market, if its moving slowly then your choice of new home is limited by who's willing to sell. You're also buying into a chain, where you have to wait for the occupants of that house to find a better home and so on and so on.

 

Taking that analogy further, is signing players in on loan the equivalent of staying in a hotel? :p

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Palace have also only signed 2 players.

 

Also you take out clubs who have made free transfer signings it'll probably be a better comparison.

 

Aston Villa 4 senior signings - all free transfers

West Brom 6 signings, - 3 free transfers, - 1 Loan, - 2 transfers.

 

We were also hindered by not having a manager for part of the summer, the manager always wants to judge the quality in the squad & highlight positions he'd like to strengthen in, where as other clubs are already prepared for that (West Brom apart in this case)

 

Don't get me wrong, we need new signings, not taking sides either just highlighting that there's allot of facts to consider.

 

It's like the housing market, if its moving slowly then your choice of new home is limited by who's willing to sell. You're also buying into a chain, where you have to wait for the occupants of that house to find a better home and so on and so on. The difference being of course that your current house isn't going to demand a move to a better part of the country :-)

 

Crystal Palace have signed 3 players. Aston Villa have signed 5. Data from the official website.

 

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2014-15/summer-transfer-window-2014.html

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