Edmonton Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Samaras possibly signing today according to some journos on twitter. I wonder which of our 30 scouts discovered him ... I hope not. A truly awful player, which will just epitomise how far we have fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Could find a better, younger player than Samaras, wanting less money fairly easily you would think. Hopefully its tabloid crap because it would be a poor signing, symbolic of a board with no clear plan or transfer policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Just wait until he scores the winner away at Pool on opening day and he will be the best signing ever according to us fans : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Samaras to see us through Rodriguez' injury wouldn't be that bad, though I'd prefer us to utilise Gallagher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 I hope not. A truly awful player, which will just epitomise how far we have fallen. We've fallen so far we've got about 17 players in our 25 may squad And we are moaning about a player with world cup goals and assists this year as well as scoring against Barcelona in the champions league last year.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Samaras to see us through Rodriguez' injury wouldn't be that bad, though I'd prefer us to utilise Gallagher. Having seen Gallagher play Id prefer us to have an alternative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 We've fallen so far we've got about 17 players in our 25 may squad And we are moaning about a player with world cup goals and assists this year as well as scoring against Barcelona in the champions league last year.? Simce when has scoring against Barcelona been the cornerstone to a successful player ? I dont see many bending over backwards to sign Watt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 We've fallen so far we've got about 17 players in our 25 may squad And we are moaning about a player with world cup goals and assists this year as well as scoring against Barcelona in the champions league last year.? Samaras is better than Mayuka and Sharp also an improvement on Guly so not too unhappy but would have preferred Ings but clearly this FFP is all bullsh1ne and hype Samaras won't be on peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Simce when has scoring against Barcelona been the cornerstone to a successful player ? I dont see many bending over backwards to sign Watt Since when was scoring for Barcelona the ONLY thing I mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 (edited) Maybe it is not the club who are holding up the deals . Maybe it us the selling club Maybe because the players we are after are on the other side if the world Sometimes I don't understand some folk always blaming the club Maybe some players have problems with Medicals and the deals have been cancelled We just don't know . All this speculation us just that , speculation! Any good players we are after will not want to commit till late in the window after they have made certain no clubs with CL football want them. we are not an attractive place to be at present and are only option is to wait till the end of the window and pay more. Edited 5 August, 2014 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Samaras to see us through Rodriguez' injury wouldn't be that bad, though I'd prefer us to utilise Gallagher. The signing of Samaras would take us to a new, comedic level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 I am a little concerned that our last three signings have all been on loan (especially Schelotto who doesn't sound brilliant). What is it with people not understanding the benefit of loans with an option to buy? Low risk, if they come good we sign them, if they dont, or the existing young players turn out better, they go back. If only Osvaldo had been on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 These deals are rarely paid all up front, we still have to pay for the players we bought previously, there are other payments involved (to Bournemouth, for example), agents' fees, potential tax liabilities. Most of it is a big paperwork exercise. Agreed but players bought in are also not paid for in full upfront so effectively the transfer fees secured (92m)minus those spent to date and say 5% for agents etc are fully available to spend assuming you want to spend it. Re players bought previously these were largely paid for by TV monies. Indeed we also should have a further 90m of TV money this year to help pay off the remainder of the previous purchases plus club expenses and wages etc. and the club have stated clearly the monies secured are available for new players and new wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Ffp basically says you are able to spend up until you make a loss of a set amount. Considering we have brought in roughly 90m in fees and saved whatever we have saved in wages I genuinely dont see it being an issue this year. Can anyone answer however whether the net spend only applies this year for FFP ? I.e our transfer income this year will not apply to next years spend ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 First it was waiting for the manager then the WC in the way, I assume the anniversary of the start of WW1 is holding things up. Im sorry but the board are playing so many for fools. Go back and look at posts at the end of the season and a few posters were pointing it out as it is panning out now. Taking in 100m and spending if lucky 30m. I desperately hope those predictions are false but at this moment in time!!!! I do agree that you don't need to spend for spending sake, but replacing solid players at the top of their games for loan players is a massive risk, especially as they can slink back to their parent clubs. Didn't know we were in for some WW1 veterans! Time to bring the Sash back then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Don't believe all the headline figures in the media. Remember that what you see if the total potential value of the deal. How much of that do we actually get for Lallana? Possibly a clear £12m after Bourmemouth get their cut. The full figure includes all sorts of hypothetical add-ons which are certainly not paid up front. Chambers, fee 'undisclosed', believed to be in the region of... £16m Lambert, 'about £4m' but reportedly £0.5m to Bristol Rovers Lovren 'reports putting the figure at £20m' and we still have to pay for him. Shaw, 'believed to have cost in excess of £30m' with figures varying from £27m to £33m. Nobody knows how much of this is dependent on future conditions. It is rare for a transfer fee to be paid all in one go and for various accountancy reasons both clubs usually prefer to spread the payments over several years. Somebody has to pay the agent's fees which are typically 10% and paid by the buying club. International deals are something else: 'Fifa statistics show 28% of transfer fees go to agents and third parties' http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jan/08/fifa-transfers-agents-third-parties The same argument applies to however we buy (minus only the payments to other clubs and the agents fees etc) So no real difference really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 If it's Koeman who wants Samaras then, although I can't say I'm that thrilled, I am in because he obviously feels he's a player who will work with how we play. If it's Les' extensive scouting system that's 'found' a world class talent, then oh dear... With Schelotto and Samaras, we'll have cornered the market in long, dark haired forwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 The same argument applies to however we buy (minus only the payments to other clubs and the agents fees etc) So no real difference really. Exactly. Just tiresome that people make these jolly clever "well, what about installments/it'll be lower than the figure in the headlines etc etc" but somehow suggesting that all the players we sign we pay the exact reported amount all up front in cash on day one. Top tip, forum geniuses: let's assume it's all about the same for everyone, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 The same argument applies to however we buy (minus only the payments to other clubs and the agents fees etc) So no real difference really. Not really, we have to pay the gross amount. So, if we got 20m for Lovren, to buy a 20m player we'd have to add a significant amount to the transfer (possibly around 4 million after consolidation payments, agents fees etc) from what we got for Lovren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 What is it with people not understanding the benefit of loans with an option to buy? Low risk, if they come good we sign them, if they dont, or the existing young players turn out better, they go back. If only Osvaldo had been on loan That would be true if it was guaranteed that they would join if we wanted them...but its not. Truth is, if Bertrand, Schelotto or Taider play a blinder with us they will arouse interest from bigger fish and then go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 That would be true if it was guaranteed that they would join if we wanted them...but its not. Truth is, if Bertrand, Schelotto or Taider play a blinder with us they will arouse interest from bigger fish and then go there. We'll have first option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Samaras signing as back up for Pelle is fine. We need extra cover until Jay is back fit anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 That would be true if it was guaranteed that they would join if we wanted them...but its not. Truth is, if Bertrand, Schelotto or Taider play a blinder with us they will arouse interest from bigger fish and then go there. Depends how the contract is written, hopefully clubs are getting a bit wiser to these situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Not really, we have to pay the gross amount. So, if we got 20m for Lovren, to buy a 20m player we'd have to add a significant amount to the transfer (possibly around 4 million after consolidation payments, agents fees etc) from what we got for Lovren. Exactly that. We should still have a sizeable amount to spend though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggytrousers Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Samaras is better than Mayuka and Sharp also an improvement on Guly so not too unhappy but would have preferred Ings but clearly this FFP is all bullsh1ne and hype Samaras won't be on peanuts. On the contrary. Getting players for free on high wages is a possible strategy to break the shackles of FFP. It's essentially converting transfer profits into wages. If we didn't do this we'd be stuck with a total wage bill which is a third of Man U's so how could we ever hope to keep players when the big boys come calling ? I believe the board's strategy is to use a fair amount of the transfer profit this year to up the total wage bill so we have a better chance if keeping our young starlets in the future without breaking FFP. This is why we're seeing some one year loans happening. That having been said I don't think we'll sign Samaras as I think that whole story's bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 What did Arsène say? "Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home". Glancing up at Mrs Stickman sat in her crimplene dressing gown scowling at me across the breakfast table, I’m not sure Arsène is totally right about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Would be nice to get some more English players in, having lost 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Glancing up at Mrs Stickman sat in her crimplene dressing gown scowling at me across the breakfast table, I’m not sure Arsène is totally right about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 We'll have first option I know, but they don't have to join us. I thought that Burnley had first option on Cork but then he signed for us...(I could have mis-remembered that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 That would be true if it was guaranteed that they would join if we wanted them...but its not. Truth is, if Bertrand, Schelotto or Taider play a blinder with us they will arouse interest from bigger fish and then go there. As has been said, we have an agreed first option. But otherwise, its no different to any player - play a blinder and they arouse interest. Like I said, if only Osvaldo had been on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 As has been said, we have an agreed first option. But otherwise, its no different to any player - play a blinder and they arouse interest. Like I said, if only Osvaldo had been on loan Yep it would be good to pick and choose, thankfully Lovren and Wanyama were not loans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Yep it would be good to pick and choose, thankfully Lovren and Wanyama were not loans Yes, but some players are riskier than others, so loans work well, which may well the case with the Inter Milan pair. Or in the case of Bertrand when we have our eyes on a youngster coming through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 If it's Les' extensive scouting system that's 'found' a world class talent' date=' then oh dear...[/quote'] The problem isn't the scouting system, everything appears to be fine up till that point, the problem is when the agent/player/club meets reed, he seems to procrastinate so much over fees, then once that gets sorted, they have to meet him and the vision lol doesn't get sold and the player is gone. I can imagine the agents giving him the right run around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Spurs breaking out the big guns http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11387270._/?ref=mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Today is the day, 2 new signings to be announced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Yes, but some players are riskier than others, so loans work well, which may well the case with the Inter Milan pair. Or in the case of Bertrand when we have our eyes on a youngster coming through Shouldn't our excellent extensive scouting network have done it's homework first? Either these players are good enough for us or they're not. 'Try before you buy' ranks highly in the not-a-great-justification stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Shouldn't our excellent extensive scouting network have done it's homework first? Either these players are good enough for us or they're not. 'Try before you buy' ranks highly in the not-a-great-justification stakes. So what about the many signings that have not worked out well for other clubs in the Prem then? Must be because all of their scouting networks are not doing their homework, as all potential signings are clearly cut and dried as either good enough or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Welcome to Tuesday. The day we don't sign a centre back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 So what about the many signings that have not worked out well for other clubs in the Prem then? Must be because all of their scouting networks are not doing their homework, as all potential signings are clearly cut and dried as either good enough or not. I would guess most clubs have a 'failure' rate of perhaps one-signing per season (or less). Would you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett24 Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Not sure why Samaras would be considered a bad signing, would be a better option on the bench than Sharp or Mayuka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Welcome to Tuesday. The day we don't sign a centre back again. The day we sign two loan midfielders, one of dubious quality and one who will likely replace one of my favourite players (either cork or Morgan). Still no cb signed when IMO we need two and still weak uo the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Not sure why Samaras would be considered a bad signing, would be a better option on the bench than Sharp or Mayuka. If that's the benchmark for being considered a good signing then altidore would be a great buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 If that's the benchmark for being considered a good signing then altidore would be a great buy. As would my gran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 I would guess most clubs have a 'failure' rate of perhaps one-signing per season (or less). Would you agree? You may be right, I see nothing wrong with trying to reduce that to none especially with players from other leagues or those who are not personally known to the manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Today is the day, 2 new signings to be announced Did the 3rd one die in transit ?? (or Cortina Mk !! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Kelvin Davis to retrain as a centre half. Breaking news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stedje Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Lest face it. If we can get Chiriches and maybe 8-10 £ for Schneiderlin it would be good business.After all he doesn't really want to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Koeman to come out of retirement at DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Ffp basically says you are able to spend up until you make a loss of a set amount. Considering we have brought in roughly 90m in fees and saved whatever we have saved in wages I genuinely dont see it being an issue this year. Can anyone answer however whether the net spend only applies this year for FFP ? I.e our transfer income this year will not apply to next years spend ? The issue is whether or not our Owner wants to spend any of the Transfer Haul, now stashed away in a Swiss Bank Account She Doesn't End of story Nothing hard to understand about that is there ?? Loans only, and we won't be getting any of Quality down that road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 5 August, 2014 Share Posted 5 August, 2014 Spurs breaking out the big guns http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11387270._/?ref=mac Right under that article are two Google ads: "how to declare bankruptcy", and "remortgages from 1.79%". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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