Give it to Ron Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Have you read the interesting posts on here this eve by Redslo? Worth a read. No I just have redsloscf.BlogSpot.com but there are a few things I dont agree with - I have simply assumed that all our new players will receive the same salary and that salary is the average of last year’s three transfers: Wanyama 2.0, Osvaldo 3.6, and Lovren 2.1 which I will round to 2.6. I think that might be a bit low, but I really have no idea. At this point we have 3 new players in so that would be 7.8 million . A good read though and more food for thought and hopefully tomorrow we will improve the squad more - just centre half and striker needed urgently.
BlakeySFC Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 (edited) Osvaldo hasn't gone yet and if it falls through we would be stuck with him for a while. As for penalties I think it's fair to say that nobody knows yet. There are nine possibilities: http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/resources/9%20sanctions.jpg.opt880x498o0%2C0s880x498.jpg What a pessimistic view, I'm sure we won't have to worry about FFP for a while thanks to the £92m+ we have in the bank. Edited 4 August, 2014 by BlakeySFC
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 What a pessimistic view, I'm sure we won't have to worry about FFP for a while thanks to the £92m+ we have in the bank. We don't have £92m in the bank.
diggers Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Could the timing/delay have something to do with the Champions Cup in the US? When do Utd arrive back in the UK?
ratio_decidendi Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Does the lack of signings at the moment mean we'll actually have an interesting/exciting transfer deadline day for once?
Saint Charlie Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Does the lack of signings at the moment mean we'll actually have an interesting/exciting transfer deadline day for once? We will be the club whose fax machine ****s up and we fail to register someone by the deadline. Probably a **** loan signing though so might not matter
Saint Charlie Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Could the timing/delay have something to do with the Champions Cup in the US? When do Utd arrive back in the UK? Can't see us paying any of their wages. Even fringe players will be on 60k plus most likely.
Viking Warrior Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 :)Club have offered me a flybe ticket to Southampton Apparently they want to meet a positive fan and asked me if I would come down if they flew me economy class I told them We don't do economy or first class from up here . So they were happy ep with that .
VectisSaint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Could the timing/delay have something to do with the Champions Cup in the US? When do Utd arrive back in the UK? Early hours of Tuesday morning http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9405914/transfer-news-louis-van-gaal-says-manchester-united-players-will-learn-their-fates-soon
Viking Warrior Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Vectis could well be . Maybe they don't want shaw and we will get him back for a knock down price Can but dream ,but we do have Bertrand
SO16_Saint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 No idea what this says: Taider, domani la firma col Southampton: i dettagli http://t.co/CNsylkDEn0
Saint Charlie Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 (edited) Tadier signing tomorrow. Loan with 9m euro option. English version: http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/taider-will-sign-with-southampton-tomorrow/ @DavidAmoyal writes the translations for Di Marzio so worth a follow. Edited 4 August, 2014 by Saint Charlie
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 No idea what this says: Taider, domani la firma col Southampton: i dettagli http://t.co/CNsylkDEn0 His new home is Southampton - from tomorrow.
Sour Mash Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 I know its been stated many times before, but I just can't see how Taider is going to fit into our midfield?
Saints67 Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Italy-America-England. Destination Southampton. Tomorrow Taider will be signing his new contract with the club to the Premier, all confirmed. The Algerian midfielder will carry out medical examinations in the morning, everything will be black and white. And the resulting official transaction. Negotiations that will conclude on the basis of a loan with the right of redemption in favor of Southampton set at EUR 9 million. Taider sees England, Southampton will be his new home.
Bucks Saint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 I know its been stated many times before, but I just can't see how Taider is going to fit into our midfield? Fairly easily if he is better than what we have
SarniaSaint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 they're obviously finding it hard to conclude deals but I'm sure that they mean well, are doing their best and will get there in the end. The real question is WHY IS IT SO HARD TO CONCLUDE DEALS? maybe UseLES don't know WTF he's doing. Cant get loans done let alone real transfers. CAFC first SFC next
krissyboy31 Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 No idea what this says: Taider, domani la firma col Southampton: i dettagli http://t.co/CNsylkDEn0 Basically what we already know. Medical in the morning and signing on loan with a view to a 9million Euro transfer.
Viking Warrior Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Well I'm one fan who will be pleased with this signing . He gives us a number if options judging by what I saw in the World Cup
Batman Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 decent signing but another loan. no commitment of anything to any medium term future of the club from the owner
Bucks Saint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 decent signing but another loan. no commitment of anything to any medium term future of the club from the owner Eh? Says we have 9m euro option. Why dont you understand?
Viking Warrior Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 He will be jet lagged if he is flying in or has flown in from the states Welcome in board
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 The real question is WHY IS IT SO HARD TO CONCLUDE DEALS? maybe UseLES don't know WTF he's doing. Cant get loans done let alone real transfers. CAFC first SFC next Or maybe because the constraints that the FFP rules puts us in means that for this season many new players will be on loans with options to buy NEXT year? I would imagine that loans like this might take a lot longer to negotiate than relatively simpler outright purchases might do. Not claiming to be an expert but it might be part of what's happening.
badgerx16 Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 decent signing but another loan. no commitment of anything to any medium term future of the club from the owner Anything like the commitment of the club captain who signed a 5 year contract last year ?
Heisenberg Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 decent signing but another loan. no commitment of anything to any medium term future of the club from the owner Option to buy mate. TBYB is ideal imho
Viking Warrior Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Maybe it is not the club who are holding up the deals . Maybe it us the selling club Maybe because the players we are after are on the other side if the world Sometimes I don't understand some folk always blaming the club Maybe some players have problems with Medicals and the deals have been cancelled We just don't know . All this speculation us just that , speculation!
CB Fry Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 decent signing but another loan. no commitment of anything to any medium term future of the club from the owner Pretty much all football clubs deal in the medium term future with every decision they make, TDD.
krissyboy31 Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 decent signing but another loan. no commitment of anything to any medium term future of the club from the owner I'd rather that than another Oswaldo! We probably wouldn't have even signed Gaston if he'd been signed on loan first.
Bucks Saint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 At least we beat West Ham to him http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/389872/EXCLUSIVE-West-Ham-plot-double-loan-swoop-for-Inter-Milan-and-Malaga-stars
Saint Charlie Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 We can only work on one deal at a time so if we get three it won't be before Friday or Saturday.
Sour Mash Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Fairly easily if he is better than what we have Who's position are you expecting him to take?
Bucks Saint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Who's position are you expecting him to take? I dont know, but I have faith that RK does and thats why he has been signed.
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 decent signing but another loan. no commitment of anything to any medium term future of the club from the owner There are technical accountancy reasons why loans might be preferred. Anyway, Lovren was only here for a year.
Toon Saint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Good signing. Assuming Krueger honours his guarantee to keep Schneiderlin, we are certainly well stocked in central midfield positions for next season. I'm happy with the four brought in so far, just wish the board would up the pace to something more than a crawl.
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Tuesday counts as the weekend, right? Does it matter?
CB Saint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 decent signing but another loan. no commitment of anything to any medium term future of the club from the owner why does this not show long term commitment. Maybe they don't what to jeopardise the future by take 9m euro punts. Loan with option to buy is them best of both worlds. Odd that you can't see that.
SarniaSaint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Or maybe because the constraints that the FFP rules puts us in means that for this season many new players will be on loans with options to buy NEXT year? I would imagine that loans like this might take a lot longer to negotiate than relatively simpler outright purchases might do. Not claiming to be an expert but it might be part of what's happening. Just smoke and mirrors from the board. They never intended to spend more than 35M this summer so the other 50M (so far) is sitting bank account in Switzerland and making more money for the account holder.
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Just smoke and mirrors from the board. They never intended to spend more than 35M this summer so the other 50M (so far) is sitting bank account in Switzerland and making more money for the account holder. Yeah, whatever.
Sour Mash Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 I dont know, but I have faith that RK does and thats why he has been signed. Best we not talk about him anymore then
Saints67 Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 why does this not show long term commitment. Maybe they don't what to jeopardise the future by take 9m euro punts. Loan with option to buy is them best of both worlds. Odd that you can't see that. Agree with this. Maybe signing him permanently now would slow down the progress of someone like Isgrove or McQueen and give Saints 12 months to assess the new lad before either committing or seeing if our Academy produces another gem.
djharvey Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Just smoke and mirrors from the board. They never intended to spend more than 35M this summer so the other 50M (so far) is sitting bank account in Switzerland and making more money for the account holder. Are you seriously suggesting the money brought in has not gone into the clubs account?
Bucks Saint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Just smoke and mirrors from the mongs. They never intended to spend more than 35M this summer so the other 50M (so far) is sitting bank account in Switzerland and making more money for the long term benefit of the Club Had another go at the speculation for you
LaptopSaint Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Surely means Morgan leaving sooner rather than later. Centre mid we now have Morgan, Big Vic, Corkie, JWP, Davis (sort of), Reed who has looked good every time i've seen him, plus Taider... something's got to give.
krissyboy31 Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Agree with this. Maybe signing him permanently now would slow down the progress of someone like Isgrove or McQueen and give Saints 12 months to assess the new lad before either committing or seeing if our Academy produces another gem. Exactly why the Bertrand loan signing makes sense. Really decent player but does not block the progression of Target.
CB Fry Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Does it matter? It's starting to, yes. It is starting to look, more and more, that the club are stringing fans along. If they're not (and I count myself as someone that still, just, thinks they're not) then someone might want to teach Les, Ron, Ralph and Co about the practice of "under promise and over deliver". For our friend from the World Economic Forum it might be worth a chapter in a future book. In German/French only, of course.
buctootim Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 People do know that you cant just use a company as a private ATM and pay company money into private bank accounts right? No-one is that ignorant...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 Are you seriously suggesting the money brought in has not gone into the clubs account? These deals are rarely paid all up front, we still have to pay for the players we bought previously, there are other payments involved (to Bournemouth, for example), agents' fees, potential tax liabilities. Most of it is a big paperwork exercise.
BlakeySFC Posted 4 August, 2014 Posted 4 August, 2014 We don't have £92m in the bank. Where is it then? Sales from Chambers, Lovren, Shaw, Lallana and Lambert = £92m, no?
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