Wes Tender Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Surely the priority is CB, and having lost a player valued at £20m, logically, a similar spend would be needed for a like-for-like replacement. Koeman indicated that he tried to persuade Lovren to stay, so there should be no reason why the unwanted fee is not fully invested in the replacement. Can I see the club breaking its transfer record on a CB? Unlikely I'd say. Two for the price of one could be a possibiity in which case neither would be as good as what we have lost. If there is a CB available who is as good as Lovren but for less money, surely Liverpool would have gone for him instead. In the meantime, I can't see why most of the rumours seem to be focused on midfield. Tadic was half the price of Lallana, and could well prove to be the better player. As Lovren cost us £8 million a year ago, why should it not be possible to unearth a player as good as him for a similar amount? Liverpool bandied about a list of alternative players who were supposedly the equal of Lovren, but then allowed us to screw them for £20 million for him. Getting decent players at reasonable cost is a question of scouting them, not comparing those known to everybody like Lovren was when Liverpool rather lazily thought that they would raid us instead of finding alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Cheers for the update. I'm sure the majority appreciate the snippets of info you share. RK was at Ajax today for yearly open day. Wonder if he had any other appointments? At last. Finally someone posts important information that none of the so called ITK's knew, yet was common knowledge since early Saturday. He said after Brighton he hoped to tie up signings over the weekend. So guess these are more plays from Holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Why? Its really not as bad as some make out. Tadic in for Lallana Pelle in for Lambert Bertrand in for Shaw We will sign a new CB this week (imo) to replace Lovren Chambers was unlikely to have started anyways. 'At this precise moment in time'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 You think West Brom and West Ham are unwinnable games with our present squad? Not at all, but I won't be panicking if things don't go our way for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Well, the weekend has come and gone and Ron's two / three signings seem to have been the 'Will o' the Wisps' that many of us expected. Another week ahead full of hope but no surprises at all if come Friday bugger-all has happened. Still Kate's stash of dosh has earned some interest even at okay's absurdly low rates and glory be the pound sterling is rising steadily against most other currencies so hanging onto it makes good finical sense. Les is beginning to look like a liability is he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 From my understanding, Taidic is part of a swop for Osvaldo, not a loan. Earlier it was said he would be loaned with a chance to buy for 5.5 million at the end of the season. It is the other guy Schelotto who will be loan, but reckon Saints aren't over keen. Mention of Wickham going to Newcastle which strikes me as strange seeing they've just signed a new Argentinian striker. I still believe we will sign Marshall not Forster. He's too good to miss out on. Really hoping Van Dijk will be signed, again too good to miss out on. Can see Koeman sending one or two of our Academy lads to Holland on loan and may be part of deals to bring in players from the Dutch clubs. Not seen it mentioned but Morgan is following Koeman on Twitter, a good sign that he maybe intends to stay. Lastly, Talksport has been getting well and truly on my tits all weekend as they rehash old Saints stories. So bad I switched off this evening as I did from visiting Saintsweb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 In the Algarve at the moment. Hundreds of mackems everywhere as they're playing here. Met a fella in alehouse whose nipper played Tuesday for the first team but not last night. He reckons Wickham is a no go to us and will sign a new contract. Seemed itk, mind you the blokes he was with had a 5ft inflatable penis with them, so im not quite sure they were the full ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 In total, 70m more than we have with our latest transfers. However, that includes signing on fees and wages, as well as transfer fees. /QUOTE] Signing on fees I get. Why the **** wages come in to it I have no idea as we have shifted 5 players. Of these 5 many were top earners. makes no sense. Taider sounds decent but in the only position we are overstocked. Other lad sounds uninspiring. Les is finding it difficult getting deals over the line? No ****, his job is to complete them and soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Why? Its really not as bad as some make out. Tadic in for Lallana Pelle in for Lambert Bertrand in for Shaw We will sign a new CB this week (imo) to replace Lovren Chambers was unlikely to have started anyways. Heisenberg - in principle, I understand your uncertainty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Heisenberg - in principle, I understand your uncertainty! This joke needs to be put under the microscope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 This joke needs to be put under the microscope... Aww! I was hoping for the large hadron collider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Heisenberg - in principle, I understand your uncertainty! You know... I read through post after post of misery and gut-wrenching horror, only for once in a while to come across a nice piece of solid wit. I tip my hat sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Southampton manager Ronald Koeman is keen to sign Manchester United's 17-year-old English winger Demetri Mitchell on loan after a string of impressive performances. Mirror & Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino is willing to use 25-year-old Belgian winger Nacer Chadli as bait to get former club Southampton to sell £20m-rated French midfielder Morgan Schneiderlin, 24. Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Complete bulls up by Les Reed and co. Now they find themselves in a situation where they are being quoted inflated prices because of there recently found wealth yet aren't prepared to pay it. What imbeciles don't line up deals before selling? ******** to all this nonsense about deals take time and need for patience from the mugs that actually believe anything wreck-it-Ralph says. Most other clubs seem to get deals over the line in good time. Until we spend decent money on a player I am firmly in the "board are complete jokers" corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwanamakubwa Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 (edited) And that is exactly where we are and why we are considering loans to get us through. I believe this more than the "we are getting loans cos we are selling the club" line. Edited 4 August, 2014 by Bwanamakubwa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Really don't think we need to be signing other club's 17 year old promising wingers on loan. We've got the "promise" department sewn up. Let's have some players with some working experience of actual professional football, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwanamakubwa Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Really don't think we need to be signing other club's 17 year old promising wingers on loan. We've got the "promise" department sewn up. Let's have some players with some working experience of actual professional football, please. Agreed. If we are going to get loans they need to be able to walk straight into the side and do a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 It seems to have gone quiet on Rojos. Takes a long time for Les to count out £6m in 2 pence pieces. Give him some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 And that is exactly where we are and why we are considering loans to get us through. I believe this more than the "we are getting loans cos we are selling the club" line. Neither would amaze me, tbh. We've had players in on loan before, obviously, but in recent years we've brought almost every player in on contract. Seems odd that policy has suddenly changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Neither would amaze me, tbh. We've had players in on loan before, obviously, but in recent years we've brought almost every player in on contract. Seems odd that policy has suddenly changed. Didn't Cortese flat out say "we do not believe in loans"? Ah, the times they are a changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Guly, Waigo, Antonio, Bignall, Trotman..... we've had 'nuff loans under Cortese and very helpful some of them were too (others less so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 It took us ages to complete the two big signings so far despite the players being very keen to come here and the clubs needing the cash. So no suprise we are struggling to get players in more difficult scenarios. When you have lots of cash its complicates slightly, but even more so when you have lots and don't want to spend much of it. Its already been beyond the point where we are running out of time and its seriously impacting our prep for the season, which appears poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Its already been beyond the point where we are running out of time and its seriously impacting our prep for the season, which appears poor. I'd love you to elaborate on why prep for the season appears poor. For all intents and purposes seems Koemans workings and ideas have come across well in matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Neither would amaze me, tbh. We've had players in on loan before, obviously, but in recent years we've brought almost every player in on contract. Seems odd that policy has suddenly changed. Quite simple really The owner has pocketed a lot of Wonga in the SFC Sales, but she has no intention of spending even half of it on signings We will end up with the max amount of Loans, and it will be conveniently blamed on FFP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Krueger=the Loan Arranger Les=Tonto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Didn't Cortese flat out say "we do not believe in loans"? Ah, the times they are a changing. Loans id like to avoid, try before you buy agreements.....im happy with them. Bertrand is very much a TBYB deal, while demetri mitchell wouldnt be as he's very highly rated at United. Loaning players of that calibre (rather than a Lakaku type) would be a worry for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 I'd love you to elaborate on why prep for the season appears poor. For all intents and purposes seems Koemans workings and ideas have come across well in matches. If we're short of a number of key squad members, it's very hard to prepare effectively if we're missing players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petts Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Complete bulls up by Les Reed and co. Now they find themselves in a situation where they are being quoted inflated prices because of there recently found wealth yet aren't prepared to pay it. What imbeciles don't line up deals before selling? ******** to all this nonsense about deals take time and need for patience from the mugs that actually believe anything wreck-it-Ralph says. Most other clubs seem to get deals over the line in good time. Until we spend decent money on a player I am firmly in the "board are complete jokers" corner. Most clubs would of known we were selling Shaw, lallana and lovren and their rough transfer fees, I suspect we've been quoted high fees for incoming players a long while before those 3 left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Complete bulls up by Les Reed and co. Now they find themselves in a situation where they are being quoted inflated prices because of there recently found wealth yet aren't prepared to pay it. What imbeciles don't line up deals before selling? ******** to all this nonsense about deals take time and need for patience from the mugs that actually believe anything wreck-it-Ralph says. Most other clubs seem to get deals over the line in good time. Until we spend decent money on a player I am firmly in the "board are complete jokers" corner. It isn't a complete balls up. Les is doing a fantastic job, Ralph said so live on bbc last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 I'd love you to elaborate on why prep for the season appears poor. For all intents and purposes seems Koemans workings and ideas have come across well in matches. Yeah Ive been to Bournemouth and Brighton and we were decent, especially at Brighton. I do think the quality of opposition hasnt been very good. The part timers were just for fitness but Swindon had been beaten by Eastleigh a couple of days before we played them. Bournemouth were decent enough, but Brighton dreadful. When you look at most of the other PL teams they have tended to have tougher games. We have one versus Leverkusen so that should be good. There was obviously meant initially to be the away game versus a top European side and that would have been very useful but for whatever reason went from being announced shortly to cancelled. Also the lack of required signings means our team during the season will probably be quite different than played in pre season which isnt ideal, especially under a new Manager. Tadic wasnt able to fully train with us until last week and there has been such a cloud over everything this summer. Fonte is set to be Captain yet won't agree on a new contract. Cork has looked well below par in the Bmth and Brighton games, playing as if he is frustrated about something. Schneiderlin training but clearly ****ed off. Can anyone really see him starting versus Liverpool? Some players (Jay, Lovren) not replaced at all despite us knowing since April and June that they wouldnt be available to us (in Jays case until November or so). Not a lot more Koeman can do, but Club as a whole I wouldn't say has optimised the summer period and given us our best chance of a good season. In fact, in the PL nobody is less prepared most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Cork has looked well below par in the Bmth and Brighton games, playing as if he is frustrated about something. Well that's not the way to go about securing a new contract, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Didn't Cortese flat out say "we do not believe in loans"? Ah, the times they are a changing. Think that was Les Reed, and he most recently said it in an interview post-Cortese. As someone else pointed out, Cortese sanctioned plenty of loan deals. Maybe he just pretended to rip them up and throw them in the bin, but agreed to loaning Papa Waigo anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Yeah Ive been to Bournemouth and Brighton and we were decent, especially at Brighton. I do think the quality of opposition hasnt been very good. The part timers were just for fitness but Swindon had been beaten by Eastleigh a couple of days before we played them. Bournemouth were decent enough, but Brighton dreadful. When you look at most of the other PL teams they have tended to have tougher games. We have one versus Leverkusen so that should be good. There was obviously meant initially to be the away game versus a top European side and that would have been very useful but for whatever reason went from being announced shortly to cancelled. Also the lack of required signings means our team during the season will probably be quite different than played in pre season which isnt ideal, especially under a new Manager. Tadic wasnt able to fully train with us until last week and there has been such a cloud over everything this summer. Fonte is set to be Captain yet won't agree on a new contract. Cork has looked well below par in the Bmth and Brighton games, playing as if he is frustrated about something. Schneiderlin training but clearly ****ed off. Can anyone really see him starting versus Liverpool? Some players (Jay, Lovren) not replaced at all despite us knowing since April and June that they wouldnt be available to us (in Jays case until November or so). Not a lot more Koeman can do, but Club as a whole I wouldn't say has optimised the summer period and given us our best chance of a good season. In fact, in the PL nobody is less prepared most likely. Can't disagree with most of this tbf. The transfer policy this summer has been pathetically reactive instead of proactive. What happened to all the bull Reed was feeding us about having identified targets before the season ended? At the moment seems to be a case of deep pockets but short arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sad saints fan Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 I see the transfer rumours thread has been hijacked again. Really cant be bothered to trawl through all the whinging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ex-celtic-frontman-georgios-samaras-weighing-3984978 A transfer rumour-if he really has turned us down I'm off to buy a job lot of new sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 I see the transfer rumours thread has been hijacked again. Really cant be bothered to trawl through all the whinging. Instead contributed to the thread by whinging yourself. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Guly, Waigo, Antonio, Bignall, Trotman..... we've had 'nuff loans under Cortese and very helpful some of them were too (others less so). NC used loans as to get us up the leagues as offering them 3 year contracts was costly as we saw with the likes of Barnard and Sharpe when we moved beyond their abilities. His plans in the premier were always to buy young up and coming talented players like Clyne, Rodriques, Wanyama, Loveren and Ramierez who he hoped would mature long term with the team. Buying loans in the premier is basically insurance against going down as you don't want the reverse i.e too many highly paid premier players on long contracts when you are relegated. It is basically a hedge against relegation. We are therefore looking down in fear now rather than up in hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 I see the transfer rumours thread has been hijacked again. Really cant be bothered to trawl through all the whinging. Well, if the hijackers are looking for a ransom to be paid, then they are very likely to be disappointed as Les will not be able to get the deal across the line. All offers will be derisory. Plus, he should have been prepared for this event - we all knew that any thread on this board would go this way since the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ex-celtic-frontman-georgios-samaras-weighing-3984978 A transfer rumour-if he really has turned us down I'm off to buy a job lot of new sheets. i would be ok with this, he can play wide forward while J-Rod is out. Also, I like his hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Complete bulls up by Les Reed and co. Now they find themselves in a situation where they are being quoted inflated prices because of there recently found wealth yet aren't prepared to pay it. What imbeciles don't line up deals before selling? ******** to all this nonsense about deals take time and need for patience from the mugs that actually believe anything wreck-it-Ralph says. Most other clubs seem to get deals over the line in good time. Until we spend decent money on a player I am firmly in the "board are complete jokers" corner. need to be careful with a statement like that.The vast majority of our " big money signings " have (historically) been a total waste of money. The list goes back to 1960's...and ends with Osvaldo. Yes we've had good players ...over several decades ...but most of them have been bought in on a low fee and been well worth the investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Not sure if already posted but add yet anther bod without a club to the ever thickening soup. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ex-celtic-frontman-georgios-samaras-weighing-3984978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Really don't think we need to be signing other club's 17 year old promising wingers on loan. We've got the "promise" department sewn up. Let's have some players with some working experience of actual professional football, please. Totally agree, we need to think about the 'here and now' task of securing our Premier status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Not sure if already posted but add yet anther bod without a club to the ever thickening soup. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ex-celtic-frontman-georgios-samaras-weighing-3984978 i would be ok with this, he can play wide forward while J-Rod is out. Also, I like his hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 (edited) NC used loans as to get us up the leagues as offering them 3 year contracts was costly as we saw with the likes of Barnard and Sharpe when we moved beyond their abilities. His plans in the premier were always to buy young up and coming talented players like Clyne, Rodriques, Wanyama, Loveren and Ramierez who he hoped would mature long term with the team. Buying loans in the premier is basically insurance against going down as you don't want the reverse i.e too many highly paid premier players on long contracts when you are relegated. It is basically a hedge against relegation. We are therefore looking down in fear now rather than up in hope! Not necessarily. Would the same apply for a top team that takes on loans, like say Atletico Madrid and Courtois? A lot depends on the context and I'm not entirely sure that Saints are banking in loans as a precaution against relegation. Rather, I'm under the impression that the main reason we've only loaned one player so far (!) is to provide competition for the youth and give them a route into the first team. Edit: That isn't to say that I disagree with your post, by the way, just that I don't think it applies to Southampton. Edited 4 August, 2014 by ratio_decidendi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 i would be ok with this, he can play wide forward while J-Rod is out. Also, I like his hair. I'd be quite happy with Samaras on a free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/ex-celtic-frontman-georgios-samaras-weighing-3984978 A transfer rumour-if he really has turned us down I'm off to buy a job lot of new sheets. I really hope this rumour isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 What is happening ? The clock is ticking... Empty statements about what is going to happen which rarely actually do happen. patience is a great thing but complacency is dangerous ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 Samaras anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 It took us ages to complete the two big signings so far despite the players being very keen to come here and the clubs needing the cash. So no suprise we are struggling to get players in more difficult scenarios. When you have lots of cash its complicates slightly, but even more so when you have lots and don't want to spend much of it. Its already been beyond the point where we are running out of time and its seriously impacting our prep for the season, which appears poor. How is it seriously impacting our prep as of yesterday alledgedly of the prem teams we would have been top of any table produced with 5 wins out of 5. OK not the highest calibre of opposition but the team on the pitch can only beat the players infront of them which so far all the teams put out have done. We will bring in other players some maybe after the season starts but the players we have at present are by games won performing well so how do you think the players could have performed better? Let less goals in ? 1 against in any 5 games is bloody good never mind who the opponents are. scored more ? give us some idea of the criteria for preaseason which makes it good prep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 4 August, 2014 Share Posted 4 August, 2014 How is it seriously impacting our prep as of yesterday alledgedly of the prem teams we would have been top of any table produced with 5 wins out of 5. OK not the highest calibre of opposition but the team on the pitch can only beat the players infront of them which so far all the teams put out have done. We will bring in other players some maybe after the season starts but the players we have at present are by games won performing well so how do you think the players could have performed better? Let less goals in ? 1 against in any 5 games is bloody good never mind who the opponents are. scored more ? give us some idea of the criteria for preaseason which makes it good prep Unbelievable. Cheers for that Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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