Whitey Grandad Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Spurs set to sign a 17m centre back whilst we sold ours. Surely nobody still questions why Pochettino left and the fact Spurs are a class above us? They're a bigger club with a much bigger turnover, what did you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Spurs set to sign a 17m centre back whilst we sold ours. Surely nobody still questions why Pochettino left and the fact Spurs are a class above us? I'm not entirely sure what the relevance is of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 That was funny. Yeah we have some great plans but will tell you later. After September it will be "judge us in the summer" etc etc. It was the most telling part for me. Any successful business can quickly and easily articulate their plans. Ralph was unable to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 An anagram of Stetson is St Neots. St Neots is the home of Lee Philpot. Lee Philpot played for Leicester City. Leicester City is the current club of Anthony Knockaert. Anthony Knockaert used to play for Guingamp. Guingamp was an early club of Didier Drogba. Didier Drogba just re-signed for Chelsea. Chelsea just released Samuel Eto'o. I deduce then the new signing is Samuel Eto'o. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Indeed and the reason that Ralph struggled to articulate any new five year plan the other week was because he knew they weren't going to be there then. That's one of the things I find confusing about all this though. Why would Krueger sign up to be part of a big sell off scam? Doesn't fit with his background and would be hard to work impressively onto his CV, unless he markets it as a "successful ownership transition of an EPL club managed by myself etc", but can't quite see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 They are the same thing these days. No they are not , if we get a player in who turns out to be world class because he has been scouted and found by us and purchased then at least he is an asset owned by the club....prime example is Lovren , if we had loaned him last year we wouldnt have received a 12 million profit on him. More to the point , buying a player shows a commitment to the club by the owner whereas loaning is just a way of filling the spaces whilst pocketing the 90 million she has pocketed . It doesnt invest in the future of the club . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 That's one of the things I find confusing about all this though. Why would Krueger sign up to be part of a big sell off scam? Doesn't fit with his background and would be hard to work impressively onto his CV, unless he markets it as a "successful ownership transition of an EPL club managed by myself etc", but can't quite see it. The 'management' of a successful sale of a club would look fine on a CV I would imagine. A big pay day in tandem would soften the blow of having to seek new employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Would happily take 17th! I think so far the words of the board have not tallied with their actions and the longer we go on without making significant signings of quality players, the more likely it is that the board is taking us for mugs. and repeat and repeat until it becomes fact (in your mind anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Spurs set to sign a 17m centre back whilst we sold ours. Surely nobody still questions why Pochettino left and the fact Spurs are a class above us? How come "make a bid" from other clubs are "set to sign" in your book nowadays but not if you find any articles that says we are making bids...?? Honest question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 The 'management' of a successful sale of a club would look fine on a CV I would imagine. A big pay day in tandem would soften the blow of having to seek new employment. Maybe. Would just be an odd thing for him to step out from Hockey and Motivational Speaking stuff to get involved in, get the impression he wasn't short of offeres of other work. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 How come "make a bid" from other clubs are "set to sign" in your book nowadays but not if you find any articles that says we are making bids...?? Honest question... Because we have reportedly made a lot of bids which have failed to come off. If you believe the media, seems we have a lower conversion rate than many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 It's probably the perception of more than one person tbf. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise at the moment given our departures so far. That it may be, but it is one perception. Multiple people can hold the same perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 and repeat and repeat until it becomes fact (in your mind anyway) Which bit did you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Maybe. Would just be an odd thing for him to step out from Hockey and Motivational Speaking stuff to get involved in, get the impression he wasn't short of offeres of other work. Who knows. Agreed. Maybe he's looking for a career change into the corporate acquisition / selling side of things? I have to say I'm full of admiration for so many posters on here remaining positive. I'm increasingly finding it very difficult to see anything to be positive about of our current situation whatsoever. Hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Problem is we really don't know, nor are we likely ever to, what business SFC are trying to complete, what has failed for them or anything - all we will see are the deals that make it 'over the line'. Without knowing the full story, any judgements you make can only ever be based on part of the story - so just stick to observations instead eh? Why? He's entitled to his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 That's one of the things I find confusing about all this though. Why would Krueger sign up to be part of a big sell off scam? Doesn't fit with his background and would be hard to work impressively onto his CV, unless he markets it as a "successful ownership transition of an EPL club managed by myself etc", but can't quite see it. Probably exactly how he will market it....one of effective stewardship, turning a financial and structural mess into a sound commercial opportunity for a new investor whilst at the same time recouping lost investment for the large german lady and a nice big fat lump of commission for himself. If the way he handles the press with his evasive, political corporate claptrap is anything to go by then no wonder the players want out. The bloke would appear to be a massive kok and reminds me of jan poortvliet on steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 I can't believe how ungrateful you are. We as a club are in a far better state than a lot of others that I could mention. If you don't like the owners, why don't you buy it? I already bought shares in SFC once and lost everything. I could not afford to buy saints when it was in admin and I could not now. What I am able to do though is see what's going on. And it stinks. I've supported Saints since I was a seven year old. Over four decades of loyalist support home and away. I don't care how much better a state we are in versus other clubs we can mention. I only care about my club and why I support MY club. And WHY support MY club is NOTHING to do with all this fake smoke and mirrors s& t we are being peddled. It's embarrassing. Humiliating. I'm proud of our truth as a club and our values. But they are being betrayed. We were never ever the best team but we honestly tried. And at least we had integrity. This season and this board are a sham. A confidence trick on every supporter paying to watch the team and every season ticket holder being conned because they pay to be entertained BUT the underlying premise is we are trying to do something. But we are not. That's over. The board are not truthfully interested in the team or the support. They are just a means to an end. Katherine's stooges. Good people individually that they might be but nevertheless complicit they are too. It's fake fake fake. A few results a few signings won't make a difference. Just hope next owners want us to win something and be here for the long term. One easy question- how many times you ever hear any of them talk about the future? They don't cos they can't and at least they can then say they did not lie. No dishonour on selling the club slowly like they are no rules to say you cannot do it that way. But do I have to be grateful they are doing it this way unlike the Villa way? Nah. I'm not grateful. I've contributed to one of her trust funds with my ticket money already. I paid. I'm not grateful. This season will stick in my craw as the fakest season of football I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 When is the 2 weeks Guan spoke of, in terms of new arrivals, up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 "2-3 in by the weekend" .. didn't really happen did it Its all ballcrap, keep the fans happy for as long as possible... spin spin spin... Meanwhile, that £93m we made, we don't spend a penny more than tadic and pella who were part of the koeman deal. Stripping the club before sale, happy to be proved wrong ofc, but this board have given us diddly squat to believe in or trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 When is the 2 weeks Guan spoke of' date=' in terms of new arrivals, up?[/quote'] today I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 It seems the same Spurs leadership that made a complete cluster**** of investing £100m are now to be lauded for bidding £17m for a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 How come "make a bid" from other clubs are "set to sign" in your book nowadays but not if you find any articles that says we are making bids...?? Honest question... http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3875/transfer-zone/2014/08/04/5002497/musacchio-set-to-join-tottenham-admits-villarreal-coach His manager expects him to move. Centre back wise we just have Lambert basically telling Koeman to shut up about Vlaar, and despite Lovren having been clearly leaving for probably a month or more, we don't seem especially close to replacing him. Despite just two weeks to go until the season starts. Seems pretty poor to me. Centre back was weak in depth anyway, I expected when Lovren officially went that we would get someone in very soon after and certainly well before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 today I believe. How accurate have his snippets been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 It does always seem to be a case of jam tomorrow....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Which bit did you disagree with? I accept your view is one of the possibilities. I don't accept it is the only possibility. The fact that you repeat the same mantra endlessly is odd, but that's my opinion I guess. I like to keep in mind all the possibilities until fact dictates otherwise, rather than suggest the worst possibility is fact until proved wrong (and then think that simply saying I'm happy to be proved wrong negates the previous 200 posts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Which bit did you disagree with? I think it's the bit where you repeat it and repeat it and repeat it. Whilst there are obvious uncertainties, the constant drivel spouted by you and others as if it's fact is incredibly tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert7 Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Which bit did you disagree with? The part that involves you breathing you miserable c^nt! What is it like knowing that 99.9% of this forum wish to stamp all over your miserable c^ntish little face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 How accurate have his snippets been? Recently not very. Not criticising the bloke as I'm not ITK whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 I think it's the bit where you repeat it and repeat it and repeat it. Whilst there are obvious uncertainties, the constant drivel spouted by you and others as if it's fact is incredibly tedious. At what point did I present it as fact? If you read the post I clearly say there has been little evidence to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 I already bought shares in SFC once and lost everything. I could not afford to buy saints when it was in admin and I could not now. What I am able to do though is see what's going on. And it stinks. I've supported Saints since I was a seven year old. Over four decades of loyalist support home and away. I don't care how much better a state we are in versus other clubs we can mention. I only care about my club and why I support MY club. And WHY support MY club is NOTHING to do with all this fake smoke and mirrors s& t we are being peddled. It's embarrassing. Humiliating. I'm proud of our truth as a club and our values. But they are being betrayed. We were never ever the best team but we honestly tried. And at least we had integrity. This season and this board are a sham. A confidence trick on every supporter paying to watch the team and every season ticket holder being conned because they pay to be entertained BUT the underlying premise is we are trying to do something. But we are not. That's over. The board are not truthfully interested in the team or the support. They are just a means to an end. Katherine's stooges. Good people individually that they might be but nevertheless complicit they are too. It's fake fake fake. A few results a few signings won't make a difference. Just hope next owners want us to win something and be here for the long term. One easy question- how many times you ever hear any of them talk about the future? They don't cos they can't and at least they can then say they did not lie. No dishonour on selling the club slowly like they are no rules to say you cannot do it that way. But do I have to be grateful they are doing it this way unlike the Villa way? Nah. I'm not grateful. I've contributed to one of her trust funds with my ticket money already. I paid. I'm not grateful. This season will stick in my craw as the fakest season of football I've ever seen. I can see how you feel the way that you do, but this is the way that it is these days. Premier League clubs are rich man's (person's) playthings and by rich I mean billionaires. I don't find the situation embarrassing or humiliating in the least. We are in a short period of adjustment, teams come and go and players may change but the club is still the same. What do you want, some rich person to buy the club and subsidise our entertainment by pouring money down the gullets of players and agents every year? Our ticket money buys a seat at the ground, not part of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 I accept your view is one of the possibilities. I don't accept it is the only possibility. The fact that you repeat the same mantra endlessly is odd, but that's my opinion I guess. I like to keep in mind all the possibilities until fact dictates otherwise, rather than suggest the worst possibility is fact until proved wrong (and then think that simply saying I'm happy to be proved wrong negates the previous 200 posts) Again where have I presented it as fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 The part that involves you breathing you miserable c^nt! What is it like knowing that 99.9% of this forum wish to stamp all over your miserable c^ntish little face? Surely this post is worthy of an infraction(?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Surely this post is worthy of an infraction(?). Probably. You get a lot of that on here. I suppose the forum deals with a cross section of society though and there are people like that in wider life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 When is the 2 weeks Guan spoke of' date=' in terms of new arrivals, up?[/quote'] I think Guan has been proved to know not quite as much as he was making out, and recently has been posting stuff about his source/the club "stopping all leaks" and him acting all surprised on Chambers and Bertrand, because he knew zip about either. His new ITK routine "I have a source but he's not allowed to tell me anything", gives him a nice little get-out as he shuffles off stage right hoping no one notices. We've seen them all come and seen them all go on this forum, add him to the list. It's all glorified "my mate's dad is a steward and he said..." stuff and should be treated as such. Just noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Surely this post is worthy of an award(?). Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert7 Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Surely this post is worthy of an infraction(?). Sorry don't post often, you can see why. I can be banned but he'll still be a miserable c^nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 The alarm bells we ringing for me when Wreck it Ralph fumbled over the likely duration of his employment as Chairman at SFC......"6 months, a year, or how ever long".......Tells you everything you need to now right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Surely this post is worthy of an infraction(?). Or a medal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 (edited) I think Guan finds out a few hours before a signing from someone that would know. But am not convinced he knows a lot about wider targets etc before they are very late in the signing process. Still, has given some good info, and it may be wrong with the above. Edited 3 August, 2014 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 I think Guan has been proved to know not quite as much as he was making out, and recently has been posting stuff about his source/the club "stopping all leaks" and him acting all surprised on Chambers and Bertrand, because he knew zip about either. His new ITK routine "I have a source but he's not allowed to tell me anything", gives him a nice little get-out as he shuffles off stage right hoping no one notices. We've seen them all come and seen them all go on this forum, add him to the list. It's all glorified "my mate's dad is a steward and he said..." stuff and should be treated as such. Just noise. You appear to be suffering from a case of 'selective memory'. Besides, being 'ITK' does equate to being 'omniscient'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 The part that involves you breathing you miserable c^nt! What is it like knowing that 99.9% of this forum wish to stamp all over your miserable c^ntish little face? Compketely unnecessary attack on a long standing and excellent member of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Fixed it. A wit that rivals Oscar Wilde's. Bravo, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Compketely unnecessary attack on a long standing and excellent member of this forum. Cheers cb. Know we don't always agree but like to think we can have a healthy debate with a bit of sarcasm without resorting to threats of stamping on faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 I preferred the days when Guan said we were leaking lesser targets to the press in-order to keep our negotiations with our main targets secret. We're seemingly signing the lesser targets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 I think Guan funds out a few hours before a signing from someone that would know. But aim not convinced he knows a lot about wider targets etc before they are very late in the signing process. Still, has given some good info, and it may be wrong with the above. This would be my assessment. Concrete information is posted several hours before official confirmation. Anything else is (likely to be) speculation based on the tentative information provided by his/her source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert7 Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Cheers cb. Know we don't always agree but like to think we can have a healthy debate with a bit of sarcasm without resorting to threats of stamping on faces. There was no threat just pointing out the view from a reader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 You appear to be suffering from a case of 'selective memory'. Besides, being 'ITK' does equate to being 'omniscient'. I said his stuff is "just noise" - another voice to go along with the press, TV and Radio and social media. Of no greater value. There's nothing in anything I wrote that carries any expectation that Guan or anyone on this forum is, or needs to be, omniscient. So nice try, but a pointless come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 Cheers cb. Know we don't always agree but like to think we can have a healthy debate with a bit of sarcasm without resorting to threats of stamping on faces. I am guilty of telling that scoobie fella that I wanted to give him a massive hug until bit's of him stopped working back in the dark days. I meant it but have always wished I hadn't lowered myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 There was no threat just pointing out the view from a reader However miserable you deem him/her to be, he/she hasn't resorted to 'threats' of violence as a result of reading posts on an internet message board. How do you cope with real problems, pal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fork Handles Posted 3 August, 2014 Share Posted 3 August, 2014 http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/3875/transfer-zone/2014/08/04/5002497/musacchio-set-to-join-tottenham-admits-villarreal-coach His manager expects him to move. Centre back wise we just have Lambert basically telling Koeman to shut up about Vlaar, and despite Lovren having been clearly leaving for probably a month or more, we don't seem especially close to replacing him. Despite just two weeks to go until the season starts. Seems pretty poor to me. Centre back was weak in depth anyway, I expected when Lovren officially went that we would get someone in very soon after and certainly well before the season started. Or we're waiting for Van Dijk from Celtic but with the realism that they were never going to sell him until they've either qualified for or are out of the CL Group stages, which happens Wednesday night (or is it Tuesday?). Now they're probably out I think this will definitely strengthen our hands as they will need to replace the lost Group stages revenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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