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Unbelievable Jeff

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Fair enough mate. End of the day its been a bloody awful window, the worst Saints have had by far since the window was introduced - understandable for fans to show a bit of frustration over it. The club's leaders need to earn the respect of fans, and so far haven't done enough to deserve unequivocal support IMO.

 

Will be interesting to hear what Koeman says today - I imagine will be more of the same "hoping" to get players in, "still need one or two" etc.

 

If at this stage we sdon't have specific targets that we are closing on, and are still hoping, then its not ideal.

 

I wonder if some of the players Reed mentioned were gagging to come here in May/June are still on the radar.

 

They have specific targets, it's about agreeing deals with the clubs and the players. I think it may have got lost in translation for you.

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Fair enough mate. End of the day its been a bloody awful window, the worst Saints have had by far since the window was introduced - understandable for fans to show a bit of frustration over it. The club's leaders need to earn the respect of fans, and so far haven't done enough to deserve unequivocal support IMO.

 

Will be interesting to hear what Koeman says today - I imagine will be more of the same "hoping" to get players in, "still need one or two" etc.

 

If at this stage we sdon't have specific targets that we are closing on, and are still hoping, then its not ideal.

 

I wonder if some of the players Reed mentioned were gagging to come here in May/June are still on the radar.

 

Oh dear. What do you want the club to do exactly? They have already bought a lot of players in and are trying to bring more in which may or may not happen because as with all clubs not every target comes off. You have NO idea what is going on behind the scenes but he have decided whatever it is, it isnt good enough for you. If things are so bad wouldnt you bebetter off supoorting another club or finding another hobby? You seem to spend your whole life moaning about the management on an internet chat forum - not health mate. Get out of the house and do something worthwhile for a change. You sound like a young man - find yourself a girlfriend, take up golf, anything but waste your life here.

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Saint Charlie

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Oh dear. What do you want the club to do exactly? They have already bought a lot of players in and are trying to bring more in which may or may not happen because as with all clubs not every target comes off. You have NO idea what is going on behind the scenes but he have decided whatever it is, it isnt good enough for you. If things are so bad wouldnt you bebetter off supoorting another club or finding another hobby? You seem to spend your whole life moaning about the management on an internet chat forum - not health mate. Get out of the house and do something worthwhile for a change. You sound like a young man - find yourself a girlfriend, take up golf, anything but waste your life here.

 

Great response.

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So we're after at least one player, reckon it's Redmond. Overall i'd say our first team isn't quite as strong on paper, but still competitive. We do have a little more strength in depth though, mainly in midfield. At the back we are pretty thin on the ground though, if Boruc leaves and Forster were to get injured, then we will have problems. The same with centre of defence.

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Have an acquaintance who's a Celtic fan. Not actually a Glasgow Guan 2.0, but was right with Victor and Frazier in past and has some contacts up there.

He states we are still in for Van Dijk, and £8 mil was price he's been told will get him, and has been offered by us.

Just passing on what I've been told.

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Have an acquaintance who's a Celtic fan. Not actually a Glasgow Guan 2.0, but was right with Victor and Frazier in past and has some contacts up there.

He states we are still in for Van Dijk, and £8 mil was price he's been told will get him, and has been offered by us.

Just passing on what I've been told.

 

 

Lyall Thomas ‏@LyallThomas 6m

#Southampton and #Sunderland are seriously interested in #Celtic's Virgil van Dijk and discussing deals now. #SaintsFC #SAFC

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My view is that it doesn't really matter if we have targets, unless you're one of the elite clubs you'll be seen as a backup, this being the case said players agent may give positive indications of wanting to join us as they don't want to burn bridges. In the meantime the agent will be hawking his client round other clubs, if then towards the end of the window the player hasn't found a club his agent will come back to the players second, third or fourth choice and the deal may get done with the normal bull that the player always wanted to join blah blah.

 

Long and short of it is, if you want a top player we have to wait until the top teams decide they don't want him, alternatively we go for a lower quality player who knows a top club won't want him

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My view is that it doesn't really matter if we have targets, unless you're one of the elite clubs you'll be seen as a backup, this being the case said players agent may give positive indications of wanting to join us as they don't want to burn bridges. In the meantime the agent will be hawking his client round other clubs, if then towards the end of the window the player hasn't found a club his agent will come back to the players second, third or fourth choice and the deal may get done with the normal bull that the player always wanted to join blah blah.

 

Long and short of it is, if you want a top player we have to wait until the top teams decide they don't want him, alternatively we go for a lower quality player who knows a top club won't want him

 

Exactly.

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My view is that it doesn't really matter if we have targets, unless you're one of the elite clubs you'll be seen as a backup, this being the case said players agent may give positive indications of wanting to join us as they don't want to burn bridges. In the meantime the agent will be hawking his client round other clubs, if then towards the end of the window the player hasn't found a club his agent will come back to the players second, third or fourth choice and the deal may get done with the normal bull that the player always wanted to join blah blah.

 

Long and short of it is, if you want a top player we have to wait until the top teams decide they don't want him, alternatively we go for a lower quality player who knows a top club won't want him

 

I'd go with that. The reality of the situation these days.

 

Didn't Les Reed say that he expects things to really move towards the end of the window, as the targets the 'big' clubs had are left in limbo? And that allows the likes of us to move? I'm sure it was either Les or Ralf who said that, obviously I'm less believing if it was Ralf who said it!

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I'd go with that. The reality of the situation these days.

 

Didn't Les Reed say that he expects things to really move towards the end of the window, as the targets the 'big' clubs had are left in limbo? And that allows the likes of us to move? I'm sure it was either Les or Ralf who said that, obviously I'm less believing if it was Ralf who said it!

 

The final week of the window is always the busiest. And it's always 'the rest' doing the business.

 

Yet every window people can't grasp this and still moan about how awful Saints are. We are no different to anyone else, we just (for obvious reasons) focus on Saints more than others.

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Saint Charlie

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Well as far as incomings go, that wasn't so great.

 

Even on the outgoings, he didnt say they couldn't go because we want to keep them, but because the squad is too small.

 

If Boruc goes our keeping situation is still poor, and for a Manager who likes playing a wide 4-3-3 to not have been given any genuine wingers to select is quite a shame. Imagine he is fairly frustrated, as he will be judged compared to Pochettino and isn't being given a fair chance IMO.

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Didn't sound like much imminent, apart from he "hopes" to get someone in.

 

He can't really win with you can he?

 

He clearly 'hopes' to get something done. So that would suggest there is work being done to make it happen. Sometimes, these things just don't work out. If he says, yes, we are absolutely 100% going to bring in x,y,z and it doesn't happen, he going to get crucified as well.

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He can't really win with you can he?

 

He clearly 'hopes' to get something done. So that would suggest there is work being done to make it happen. Sometimes, these things just don't work out. If he says, yes, we are absolutely 100% going to bring in x,y,z and it doesn't happen, he going to get crucified as well.

 

It not about him, nor a case of winning at anything. He doesn't sign the players, so absolutely nothing against him whatsoever. In fact, the opposite, I am sympathising with him, because he has an inbalanced squad with stacks of central midfielders and then bugger all in other areas.

 

After the Millwall game he seemed hopefully of getting someone this week before the West Ham game, which looks like it won't happen. Today again he is hopeful of something before the deadline.

 

To me being "hopeful" doesn't suggest there is much imminent which is a slight concern for me, as we still have some pretty major requirements, as we currently have zero fit natural wide players aside from Tadic and nothing at right back if Clyne were to be injured.

 

Not sure why people get so precious about opinions, pretty widely accepted this window hasn't gone to plan, so whats the issue?

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He can't really win with you can he?

 

He clearly 'hopes' to get something done. So that would suggest there is work being done to make it happen. Sometimes, these things just don't work out. If he says, yes, we are absolutely 100% going to bring in x,y,z and it doesn't happen, he going to get crucified as well.

 

I don't think anyone will actually crucify him. However, quite a few posters on here seem to think that their approval/disapproval means jack sh*t to the club. Comments like "I'll give him until......", "..if we haven't signed xyz by...." What exactly are these posters expecting will happen if their wishes fail to be met? The board and management to commit harakiri because of an ill-informed posting on a message board?

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It not about him, nor a case of winning at anything. He doesn't sign the players, so absolutely nothing against him whatsoever. In fact, the opposite, I am sympathising with him, because he has an inbalanced squad with stacks of central midfielders and then bugger all in other areas.

 

After the Millwall game he seemed hopefully of getting someone this week before the West Ham game, which looks like it won't happen. Today again he is hopeful of something before the deadline.

 

To me being "hopeful" doesn't suggest there is much imminent which is a slight concern for me, as we still have some pretty major requirements, as we currently have zero fit natural wide players aside from Tadic and nothing at right back if Clyne were to be injured.

 

Not sure why people get so precious about opinions, pretty widely accepted this window hasn't gone to plan, so whats the issue?

 

I have a feeling players we had intended to sign/confident of doing so have fallen through (possible Alderweireld being one of those). As I posted last week I was told that two signings were fairly imminent and that would be it. Clearly we have had to readjust somewhere along the line. Equally though, these things are never quick so we may still be going through that process.

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I have a feeling players we had intended to sign/confident of doing so have fallen through (possible Alderweireld being one of those). As I posted last week I was told that two signings were fairly imminent and that would be it. Clearly we have had to readjust somewhere along the line. Equally though, these things are never quick so we may still be going through that process.

 

Reading into Koeman's answer there are ongoing negotiations but nothing done yet.

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I have a feeling players we had intended to sign/confident of doing so have fallen through (possible Alderweireld being one of those). As I posted last week I was told that two signings were fairly imminent and that would be it. Clearly we have had to readjust somewhere along the line. Equally though, these things are never quick so we may still be going through that process.

 

Very true, and at this stage players will know who is interested and its in their interest to hold out, see who else comes in for them, and how high the money goes.

 

I also know that it oftens happens every year that business is done late and desparately.

 

I guess I just thought that in May and June when it became clear we would let 5 or 6 of our best players leave for lots of money, that we might have a good plan in place to replace them.

 

Reed talks of succession planning of players in certain positions, scouting and recruitment teams, targets being very keen to join us, and a calmness within the club.

 

From the outside the perception is different.

 

Despite having all summer (and the whole of 2014) to plan our approach we may well end up with a no 2 keeper who has proven himself poor in the PL and is 38.

 

The fact we are just "seeing what happens" with Boruc I can partly understand and partly find it mental. If we sell him then Davis will be our no 2. If we keep him then Boruc will be. Thats quite a massive difference in quality between the two scenarios yet we are happy to just "see what happens" and ultimately, we are not in control of the outcome. Quite bizarre.

 

When Forster inevitably picks up a knock and misses a game the reaction here will be the same as the last two years of watching the hilariously hapless Gazzaniga and an ageing Davis.

 

Its almost like they didnt think Boruc would be annoyed, or hadn't even considered it. We have spend £10m on a goalkeeper and quite possibly (if Boruc goes) havent even strengthened overall in the position!

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It was sorted.....was the club meant to preempt the fact that Boruc was going to thrown his toys out of the pram and not prepared to have competition and back his talent? Are we meant to sign cover for every position then just in case some poor little soul doesnt want anyone to take their place?

We bought in the England goalkeeping coach, we signed a very promising keeper from Torquay into the academy we are addressing this, we have 2 other decent keepers in the u18 side.

 

Of course they should have known how Boruc would react. That is basic management of the situation. Koeman said himself he completely understood Boruc's situation. Hardly a huge shock than an Intl keeper doesnt want to be a no 2.

 

The fact we signed a 15 year old from Torquay is irrelevant because hw won't be first team ready, if at all, for at least 6 years.

 

Watson a great addition and probably helped us get Forster, but he isn't going to improve Davis.

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Although not the end of the transfer window I'm getting a little concerned..again.

By far a weaker squad than what we ended the season with, granted there hasn't been a huge amount of spending bar the top four, but no club within the premier league has suffered the loss of five first team members for (luckily)big fees.

Hopefully Ron will get his attacking player in, with no out goings, the club can't let the two goals against millwall reserves cloud the reality that we're going to struggle for goals.

IMO Redmond would be a good addition..

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