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I think one of our mistakes (for want of a better word) this season in attempting to sign players is we have probably aimed a little too high and we are contending with the top 6 and losing out. Admirable ambition but unrealistic in the cold light of day and it wastes time when other avenues could be explored. Cortese obviously thought we could compete but he was in a fool's paradise brought on by having unrestricted access to funds which made him into a having a kid in a sweet shop mentality. Perhaps Les needs to lower his horizons and let's target realistic signings. Just a thought.

 

Agree with this and posted similar yesterday.

 

 

But this is exactly what we do, chasing shadows rather than realistic targets. How much time was spent on Rojo ?

 

Wonder if our Les's glorious Global Scouting Network had considered Dier at the same club, and eventually sold for a quarter of the price? A target we should have been chasing in May/early June when we still had some remaining credibity as a club promoting exceptional English talent.

 

We spent much of last summer chasing Osvaldo, when it was obvious he didn't want to join us. We know how successful that was. The year before it was weeks and weeks of Ramirez, yet to prove a success.

 

Frustrating isn't it ? Have we learnt from it ?

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I think one of our mistakes (for want of a better word) this season in attempting to sign players is we have probably aimed a little too high and we are contending with the top 6 and losing out. Admirable ambition but unrealistic in the cold light of day and it wastes time when other avenues could be explored. Cortese obviously thought we could compete but he was in a fool's paradise brought on by having unrestricted access to funds which made him into a having a kid in a sweet shop mentality. Perhaps Les needs to lower his horizons and let's target realistic signings. Just a thought.

Man would never have landed on the Moon from Everest with that attitude.

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Man would never have landed on the Moon from Everest with that attitude.

 

I think we'd have been in with a shout for some of our top targets ordinarily, however with the outgoings this summer... I think the perception of the club put a lot of our top targets off.

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For the avoidance of doubt, unsubstantiated accusations against specific members of club staff is not acceptable.

Lol, mikey motormouth isn't really a member of the coaching staff, I just made that up. Loose lips lallana was true but he plays for Liverpool's reserves these days not saints. Duh. :)

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I cannot blame the Board for aiming high however the one thing they had as an advantage was to be aggressive with bids given the outgoings we had. The messing about has not only caused us to miss out on targets but also then overpay for others further down on the list, which is a bit pathetic. So not only do you not get the quality of player in that you want, you also end up losing more money from the sales to get in the second, third, fourth, fifth target or whatever.

 

I wish we had been more aggressive in the market at the start of the summer to take advantage of being a more appealing club to play for and the money we had available.

 

However not having a manager and the World Cup did not really help us really

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I think one of our mistakes (for want of a better word) this season in attempting to sign players is we have probably aimed a little too high and we are contending with the top 6 and losing out. Admirable ambition but unrealistic in the cold light of day and it wastes time when other avenues could be explored. Cortese obviously thought we could compete but he was in a fool's paradise brought on by having unrestricted access to funds which made him into a having a kid in a sweet shop mentality. Perhaps Les needs to lower his horizons and let's target realistic signings. Just a thought.

 

Things are so easy in hindsight are they not

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Incredible also that in one window we could easily have sold Lambert, Lallana, Shaw, Lovren, Chambers, Osvaldo, Boruc, Cork, Ramirez and Hooiveld.

 

Thats without mentioning Guly and Sharp.

 

Before long there will be very few survivors from the Cortese era....which is probably the plan.

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Love jos, wouldn't begrudge him a move to another PL team. Amazing move in all honesty. Not quite sure what Burnley's strategy is.

 

If it happens, would potentially indicate we have another CB/RB type lined up.

 

I think it would just cement the place of Jack Stephens in the first team squad. Fourth choice centre-half and backup right back isn't a bad job for a 19 year old.

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Incredible also that in one window we could easily have sold Lambert, Lallana, Shaw, Lovren, Chambers, Osvaldo, Boruc, Cork, Ramirez and Hooiveld.

 

Thats without mentioning Guly and Sharp.

 

Before long there will be very few survivors from the Cortese era....which is probably the plan.

 

And possibly Schneiderlin and Rodriguez

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I think it would just cement the place of Jack Stephens in the first team squad. Fourth choice centre-half and backup right back isn't a bad job for a 19 year old.

 

He's a good player though, know a Swindon fan at work and he says they're pretty gutted he's not gone back there for the season. I think he's about as good as Jos tbh, he can also play the 'anchor' role in the midfield as well.

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We still need another wide player, and a bit more cover at right back. If Ramirez goes, we need a number 10, I don't think there is another natural number 10 in the squad. Hopefully the talk of Morgan will quieten down, we really need to keep his quality in the team. But even if he stays, there is still loads of business left to be done in just a few days. I am worried that Les won't have enough time to get deals over the line. I am also worried, that in his desperation, we will end up with our 3rd or 4th choices.

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We still need another wide player, and a bit more cover at right back. If Ramirez goes, we need a number 10, I don't think there is another natural number 10 in the squad. Hopefully the talk of Morgan will quieten down, we really need to keep his quality in the team. But even if he stays, there is still loads of business left to be done in just a few days. I am worried that Les won't have enough time to get deals over the line. I am also worried, that in his desperation, we will end up with our 3rd or 4th choices.

 

 

Agree about Ramirez, although i suppose we didn't really play with traditional 10 last season. Could Tadic play that role?

 

Need? Interested in what we need those players for? Not being petty but 'need' requires quantifying. Even if Ramirez, JayRod and Schneiderlin left we still , IMHO, would be far from relegation certainties, and taking to other extreme we would need loads to challenge for title.

 

It's hard to compare with other teams as some players, managers and teams will always under/over achieve.

 

I think easiest comparison at this stage is if Koeman matches MP, with players at similar levels of performance / fitness, can we match last season?

 

Our transfers this window:-

Lambert / Lallana - my guess is that RK would have preferred Pelle even if Lambert had stayed, and when he had opportunity to replace Lallana with Tadic (a player he may well prefer) plus cash was happy.

Shaw leaving is obviously a blow, both for level of performance and potential. However, we replaced him with a young LB who has played at high level and appears to have started well. We have better cover with Targett than last season.

 

Chambers was a departure I could see from the end of the season - not as good as Clyne but one of best young RBs in England, too good to sit on bench all season if Clyne stayed fit ( although I did suggest him as CB before Wenger). We are down a cover RB.

 

Lovren was excellent last season and will be missed. He has been replaced but I have no idea how well. Think we will be lucky if new signing does as well.

 

We have, IMHO, significantly upgraded our keeper.

 

We have also added an additional forward in Long, plus this years crop of youngsters - I can see isgrove, Gallagher and Reid being more involved this season and Reid in particular looks good.

 

So if there are no further departures we may not 'need' more signings to match last season, more for Koeman and players to perform to their potential.

 

I would like more signings, maybe top CB, fast attacking player, a top playmaker. Better players, if course, likely to improve us, but we shouldn't 'need' more for steady mid table.

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Agree about Ramirez, although i suppose we didn't really play with traditional 10 last season. Could Tadic play that role?

 

Need? Interested in what we need those players for? Not being petty but 'need' requires quantifying. Even if Ramirez, JayRod and Schneiderlin left we still , IMHO, would be far from relegation certainties, and taking to other extreme we would need loads to challenge for title.

 

It's hard to compare with other teams as some players, managers and teams will always under/over achieve.

 

I think easiest comparison at this stage is if Koeman matches MP, with players at similar levels of performance / fitness, can we match last season?

 

Our transfers this window:-

Lambert / Lallana - my guess is that RK would have preferred Pelle even if Lambert had stayed, and when he had opportunity to replace Lallana with Tadic (a player he may well prefer) plus cash was happy.

Shaw leaving is obviously a blow, both for level of performance and potential. However, we replaced him with a young LB who has played at high level and appears to have started well. We have better cover with Targett than last season.

 

Chambers was a departure I could see from the end of the season - not as good as Clyne but one of best young RBs in England, too good to sit on bench all season if Clyne stayed fit ( although I did suggest him as CB before Wenger). We are down a cover RB.

 

Lovren was excellent last season and will be missed. He has been replaced but I have no idea how well. Think we will be lucky if new signing does as well.

 

We have, IMHO, significantly upgraded our keeper.

 

We have also added an additional forward in Long, plus this years crop of youngsters - I can see isgrove, Gallagher and Reid being more involved this season and Reid in particular looks good.

 

So if there are no further departures we may not 'need' more signings to match last season, more for Koeman and players to perform to their potential.

 

I would like more signings, maybe top CB, fast attacking player, a top playmaker. Better players, if course, likely to improve us, but we shouldn't 'need' more for steady mid table.

 

Forgot Taider.

 

Deliberately missed out Osvaldo due to lack of involvement last season

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Worried about Forster getting injured and having Davies in goal in the Premier League. Bit concerned about where goals will come from. So I think we need a back up keeper, winger/creative, and striker, assuming we keep Wanyama and PLEASE Cork, as we all know Schniederlin is off with 10 minutes to go to deadline.

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Agree about Ramirez, although i suppose we didn't really play with traditional 10 last season. Could Tadic play that role?

 

Need? Interested in what we need those players for? Not being petty but 'need' requires quantifying. Even if Ramirez, JayRod and Schneiderlin left we still , IMHO, would be far from relegation certainties, and taking to other extreme we would need loads to challenge for title.

 

It's hard to compare with other teams as some players, managers and teams will always under/over achieve.

 

I think easiest comparison at this stage is if Koeman matches MP, with players at similar levels of performance / fitness, can we match last season?

 

Our transfers this window:-

Lambert / Lallana - my guess is that RK would have preferred Pelle even if Lambert had stayed, and when he had opportunity to replace Lallana with Tadic (a player he may well prefer) plus cash was happy.

Shaw leaving is obviously a blow, both for level of performance and potential. However, we replaced him with a young LB who has played at high level and appears to have started well. We have better cover with Targett than last season.

 

Chambers was a departure I could see from the end of the season - not as good as Clyne but one of best young RBs in England, too good to sit on bench all season if Clyne stayed fit ( although I did suggest him as CB before Wenger). We are down a cover RB.

 

Lovren was excellent last season and will be missed. He has been replaced but I have no idea how well. Think we will be lucky if new signing does as well.

 

We have, IMHO, significantly upgraded our keeper.

 

We have also added an additional forward in Long, plus this years crop of youngsters - I can see isgrove, Gallagher and Reid being more involved this season and Reid in particular looks good.

 

So if there are no further departures we may not 'need' more signings to match last season, more for Koeman and players to perform to their potential.

 

I would like more signings, maybe top CB, fast attacking player, a top playmaker. Better players, if course, likely to improve us, but we shouldn't 'need' more for steady mid table.

 

Need as in need to avoid a major relegation scrap. I don't share your mid-table confidence at this moment in time.

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Agree about Ramirez, although i suppose we didn't really play with traditional 10 last season. Could Tadic play that role?

 

Need? Interested in what we need those players for? Not being petty but 'need' requires quantifying. Even if Ramirez, JayRod and Schneiderlin left we still , IMHO, would be far from relegation certainties, and taking to other extreme we would need loads to challenge for title.

 

It's hard to compare with other teams as some players, managers and teams will always under/over achieve.

 

I think easiest comparison at this stage is if Koeman matches MP, with players at similar levels of performance / fitness, can we match last season?

 

Our transfers this window:-

Lambert / Lallana - my guess is that RK would have preferred Pelle even if Lambert had stayed, and when he had opportunity to replace Lallana with Tadic (a player he may well prefer) plus cash was happy.

Shaw leaving is obviously a blow, both for level of performance and potential. However, we replaced him with a young LB who has played at high level and appears to have started well. We have better cover with Targett than last season.

 

Chambers was a departure I could see from the end of the season - not as good as Clyne but one of best young RBs in England, too good to sit on bench all season if Clyne stayed fit ( although I did suggest him as CB before Wenger). We are down a cover RB.

 

Lovren was excellent last season and will be missed. He has been replaced but I have no idea how well. Think we will be lucky if new signing does as well.

 

We have, IMHO, significantly upgraded our keeper.

 

We have also added an additional forward in Long, plus this years crop of youngsters - I can see isgrove, Gallagher and Reid being more involved this season and Reid in particular looks good.

 

So if there are no further departures we may not 'need' more signings to match last season, more for Koeman and players to perform to their potential.

 

I would like more signings, maybe top CB, fast attacking player, a top playmaker. Better players, if course, likely to improve us, but we shouldn't 'need' more for steady mid table.

 

The complaceny in this post is simply astounding....

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However not having a manager and the World Cup did not really help us really

 

Exactly. Targets were in place at the end of last season when MP was in the seat, all that obviously changed when he jumped ship. That caught us on the back foot slightly and we were left with the dilemma of still pursuing the initial players targeted with the risk of them not fitting into the new mans plans or wait, we obviously took the latter option with all the risk that it entailed.

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We still haven't IMO replaced Lallana. Tadic is a completely different player.

 

Lallana connected the whole of our attackin game.

 

We are absolutely desparate for another attacking player with a bit of composure or quality in the final third.

 

If we get really stuck surely we could loan Amalfitano who was on loan at WBA last year and was good in quite a few games.

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5 days to go and we are still shopping for much required players rather than nice to haves.

 

Still too much uncertainty on outgoings.

 

Yet Mallgroth came up with the "Is this the best ever transfer window?" thread. Madness.

 

We are not the only club in this position though are we so what is your problem? There will be a lot of activity by a number of Premiership clubs during that last couple of days of the transfer window. Does this mean tha every club is run inefficiently? Of course not, it is just the way things are.

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We are not the only club in this position though are we so what is your problem? There will be a lot of activity by a number of Premiership clubs during that last couple of days of the transfer window. Does this mean tha every club is run inefficiently? Of course not, it is just the way things are.

 

But ours is a unique situation in that half of our first team has been sold.

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We are not the only club in this position though are we so what is your problem? There will be a lot of activity by a number of Premiership clubs during that last couple of days of the transfer window. Does this mean tha every club is run inefficiently? Of course not, it is just the way things are.

 

Its not a problem, its just the fact of the situation. Why be so touchy about it?

 

End of the day, we still need a player out wide who will start week in week out and currently have no adequate cover for Clyne or Forster (if Boruc goes).

 

Ralph Krueger and Wes Tender said to judge on Sept 1st and Les Reed said overall we wanted a stronger squad. At this stage we have a weaker squad and first team so hopefully its a busy few days.

 

To go into next season with Kelvin Davis as no 2 keeper would clearly show a lack of thought out strategy and an unwillingness to learn from the (relatively few) mistakes of last season.

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5 days to go and we are still shopping for much required players rather than nice to haves.

 

Still too much uncertainty on outgoings.

 

Yet Mallgroth came up with the "Is this the best ever transfer window?" thread. Madness.

 

Hi Charlie think you missed the point in that thread. At the time you and several others were talking of a fire sale, Les Reed being sacked and Liebherr not spending nay money etc etc. Doom doom doom.

 

Here is the important bit of the opening post on the thread you mention.

 

N.B: Of course you could always just look at all the negative side of things, extrapolate disasters and post doom predictions and demand the firing of members of club management. Am I trying to make a point in this thread? In a way by asking the question in the title yes, I genuinely believe that there have been some very good things happening so far as well as some very worrying things but there is no reason this window cannot be good based on the facts of what has actually happened so far. There is far more speculation involved in claiming we are doomed, relegated and have got rid of 9 players etc than in my post. Will this be the best window, in my opinion no, but it still has the potential to be bloody good or bloody awful so let's not get carried away with superlatives one way or another.

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Fair enough mate. End of the day its been a bloody awful window, the worst Saints have had by far since the window was introduced - understandable for fans to show a bit of frustration over it. The club's leaders need to earn the respect of fans, and so far haven't done enough to deserve unequivocal support IMO.

 

Will be interesting to hear what Koeman says today - I imagine will be more of the same "hoping" to get players in, "still need one or two" etc.

 

If at this stage we sdon't have specific targets that we are closing on, and are still hoping, then its not ideal.

 

I wonder if some of the players Reed mentioned were gagging to come here in May/June are still on the radar.

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Its not a problem, its just the fact of the situation. Why be so touchy about it?

 

End of the day, we still need a player out wide who will start week in week out and currently have no adequate cover for Clyne or Forster (if Boruc goes).

 

Ralph Krueger and Wes Tender said to judge on Sept 1st and Les Reed said overall we wanted a stronger squad. At this stage we have a weaker squad and first team so hopefully its a busy few days.

 

To go into next season with Kelvin Davis as no 2 keeper would clearly show a lack of thought out strategy and an unwillingness to learn from the (relatively few) mistakes of last season.

 

I am not touchy about it. I am touchy about your constantly negative posts Charlie. You are so bloody depressing.

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