Batman Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Not sure I would call Tadic a marquee signing. A good signing none the less, and delighted to have him. Far rather players like him that a "marquee" signing that would be putting far too many eggs in one basket - just ask WHU about Carroll. And then, aren't "marquee" signings too much of a risk of being prima donnas and being far too flighty? when we are selling anyone decent. our level of players has dropped, you have to agree players like forster, tadic, pelle etc are our marquee signings, just on fee alone tadic is up there
Matthew Le God Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Les reed has said that there would be only 1 marque signing. That was tadic When did he say both of those things? Link? Not sure I would call Tadic a marquee signing. A good signing none the less, and delighted to have him. Far rather players like him that a "marquee" signing that would be putting far too many eggs in one basket - just ask WHU about Carroll. And then, aren't "marquee" signings too much of a risk of being prima donnas and being far too flighty? when we are selling anyone decent. our level of players has dropped, you have to agree players like forster, tadic, pelle etc are our marquee signings, just on fee alone tadic is up there Do you have the link Batman? I don't recall him saying anything remotely close to what you've claimed.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Richards? Firmino? I approve of these links. n Saints. There's a simple question to ask yourself when considering these 'possible' links. How much chance did we have keeping our best players from wanting out to a top 6 PL side?
Batman Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Do you have the link Batman? I don't recall him saying anything remotely close to what you've claimed. check the videos online yourself. I remember him saying it. Im on my phone and cant be arsed providing links at your request
Mallagroth Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 I sense a 'are we aiming too high in our transfer targets' thread coming along soon... haha spot on
shirleysfc Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 check the videos online yourself. I remember him saying it. Im on my phone and cant be arsed providing links at your request No, you're making it up.
hypochondriac Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 check the videos online yourself. I remember him saying it. Im on my phone and cant be arsed providing links at your request Tbf i don't remember that either. I don't think he did say that.
S-Clarke Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 I don't ever remember him saying anything like that at all. Is this another example of people making things up, so their points look more dramatic?
SNSUN Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 There's a simple question to ask yourself when considering these 'possible' links. How much chance did we have keeping our best players from wanting out to a top 6 PL side? I'm not sure the two go hand in hand. The exits, all English (bar the want away Lovren) and home grown which big clubs in this country now want, were all done so that we received a hefty transfer fee for each. We have the money to bring in players of the likes of Richards and Firmino, the question is whether we still have the draw. Thanks to one thing we got right this summer, the managerial appointment, I think we do have that draw for players to come here.
DG Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 check the videos online yourself. I remember him saying it. Im on my phone and cant be arsed providing links at your request It's ok we'll wait for the links you provide, thanks.
Matthew Le God Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 (edited) Les reed has said that there would be only 1 marque signing. That was tadic Do you have the link Batman? I don't recall him saying anything remotely close to what you've claimed. check the videos online yourself. I remember him saying it. Im on my phone and cant be arsed providing links at your request Les Reed has done only two Saints videos in recent months. 25th April 2014... 10th June 2014... 1) In neither video does he say there will only be "only 1 marque signing" 2) Dusan Tadic signed for Southampton on 8th July 2014, which is significantly after both Reed videos! I think your memory/faculties are failing you Batman, in the same way you persist in saying I've said Saints are bigger than Everton - when I didn't. Its all... Edited 27 July, 2014 by Matthew Le God
hypochondriac Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 check the videos online yourself. I remember him saying it. Im on my phone and cant be arsed providing links at your request Don't you think if he had said that it would have been all over here and discussed extensively? Yet you mentioning it is the first anyone has heard of it...
St Jim Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Les reed has said that there would be only 1 marque signing. That was tadic Don't recall him saying it, but anyway Les Reed has said many things that haven't always been 100%
St Jim Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Jeez, why are we wasting a page on something Les Reed has supposedly said. Going on past efforts, regardless of what he has said I wouldn't have thought it would be worth taking as gospel and then arguing about
Saint Charlie Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 They should be without the amount we are making from sales. Out of interest which 20m players do you think we should go for? Typically they already play for teams playing in Europe or will only move to ones that are or normally are (ie Lallana, Shaw). A 20m signing would usually be in line for wages of 80k a week plus which isn't really our market. This isnt a dig at Saints but we are operating in the market down from that, the 10-15m signings are probably the max for us, unless we hugely overpay for someone. Should still be able to get plenty of good players though!
ratio_decidendi Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Out of interest which 20m players do you think we should go for? Typically they already play for teams playing in Europe or will only move to ones that are or normally are (ie Lallana, Shaw). A 20m signing would usually be in line for wages of 80k a week plus which isn't really our market. This isnt a dig at Saints but we are operating in the market down from that, the 10-15m signings are probably the max for us, unless we hugely overpay for someone. Should still be able to get plenty of good players though! Out of interest, what's the big problem with this? If we assume that the player leaves after c.2 years for a tasty profit, is it not a win-win situation? I guess it sucks to see a constantly fluctuating team, but if fan can swallow that... ?
CB Fry Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Out of interest, what's the big problem with this? If we assume that the player leaves after c.2 years for a tasty profit, is it not a win-win situation? I guess it sucks to see a constantly fluctuating team, but if fan can swallow that... ? I think Charlie's point is we can't buy 20m players, we can only make our own and sell them. Which is true and, in my opinion, fine.
ratio_decidendi Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 I think Charlie's point is we can't buy 20m players, we can only make our own and sell them. Which is true and, in my opinion, fine. Yeah, I've just read back and didn't really pick up on the wider context of the post. My mistake.
shurlock Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Out of interest, what's the big problem with this? If we assume that the player leaves after c.2 years for a tasty profit, is it not a win-win situation? I guess it sucks to see a constantly fluctuating team, but if fan can swallow that... ? Very unlikely that a player who came here for £20m -assuming they're not young and English- would leave for a tasty profit. To add further value to an already high price, we'd have to qualify for Europe and said player would have to shine in Europe, catapulting him into the next price bracket. At some point, a player's value becomes heavily dependent on the club's progress.
CB Fry Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Don't you think if he had said that it would have been all over here and discussed extensively? Yet you mentioning it is the first anyone has heard of it... This. If Reed had said that it would be common knowledge on here and would have been forum ammunition for weeks. He didn't say it.
Saint Charlie Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 (edited) I think Charlie's point is we can't buy 20m players, we can only make our own and sell them. Which is true and, in my opinion, fine. Exactly. My point is you could give Swindon Town 50m and they couldnt sign anyone for more than about 3m because the players worth more than that wouldnt want to play for them. We arent in the 20m plus market but the one just beneath that, same as the midtable sector of the PL. Edited 27 July, 2014 by Saint Charlie
Wade Garrett Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 I am fast coming to the conclusion that this summer has been a clusterf*ck and we seem to have a board out of their depth.
ratio_decidendi Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Exactly. My point is you could give Swindon Town 50m and they couldnt sign anyone for more than about 3m because the players worth more than that wouldnt want to play for them. We arent in the 20m plus market but the one just beneath that, same as the midtable sector of the PL. Yeah, I agree with you, just didn't pick up on the 20m bit originally...
buctootim Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Out of interest which 20m players do you think we should go for? Typically they already play for teams playing in Europe or will only move to ones that are or normally are (ie Lallana, Shaw). A 20m signing would usually be in line for wages of 80k a week plus which isn't really our market. This isnt a dig at Saints but we are operating in the market down from that, the 10-15m signings are probably the max for us, unless we hugely overpay for someone. Should still be able to get plenty of good players though! Very true. We are in the 'good but unproven at this level' market. The only other markets we could be in are the 'failed at a top club' and 'used to be good but past it now'.
Batman Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Reed did say that any bids for our best players will probably met with a 'NO'
Matthew Le God Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Reed did say that any bids for our best players will probably met with a 'NO' Note the word "probably"! Plus, if he said "any bids would definitely be met with a yes", then that doesn't put Saints in a strong negotiating position. You can list the names of non selling clubs in World football on the fingers of one hand, Saints of course aren't one of them, neither are the likes of Man Utd or Liverpool (as Suarez and Ronaldo show).
waylander Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 I thought this thread was for actual news, not slagging each other off. If you want to do that go back to the old thread!
Donatello Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Do you have the link Batman? I don't recall him saying anything remotely close to what you've claimed. Of course he doesn't, unless one can link to 'figment of imagination'.
Matthew Le God Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Of course he doesn't, unless one can link to 'figment of imagination'. I've since torn that post by Batman apart with post #619.
Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Reed did say that any bids for our best players will probably met with a 'NO' so what, he doesn't control the sales,probably not even the prices. Probably doesn't even control the purchases either. He is not in charge of club policy, of that I'm sure, neither is Krusty the Clown, who does that leave then? I make it Hofstadter and the owner herself, unless of course you lend any importance to the CEO.
del boy Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 I thought this thread was for actual news, not slagging each other off slagging each other off is what most posts seem to be. Theres probably the basis for a psychology PhD thesis there. I still keep looking in case the occasional transfer snippet sneaks in
Verbal Kint Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 so what, he doesn't control the sales,probably not even the prices. Probably doesn't even control the purchases either. He is not in charge of club policy, of that I'm sure, neither is Krusty the Clown, who does that leave then? I make it Hofstadter and the owner herself, unless of course you lend any importance to the CEO. I think that's completely wrong. Lots of conspiracy theories going on but my gut feel is it's nothing more than Reed thinking these offers are too good to turn down. If you were a Liverpool fan would you think Lallana and Lovren were worth 25 million and 20 million respectively? I doubt it. Reed (and probably Koeman) probably believe they can replace these players with similar/better quality from abroad for much cheaper prices. We'll have a good idea come the end of the window if they were right
Saint Charlie Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Celtic play their qualifier against Legia Warsaw on Weds 30th July and Weds 6th Aug so unlikely we will get either Forster or Van Dijk until after that. Hopefully they lose...
Batman Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 I've since torn that post by Batman apart with post #619. fair enough. I was sure I have heard him say that. guess not
Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Celtic play their qualifier against Legia Warsaw on Weds 30th July and Weds 6th Aug so unlikely we will get either Forster or Van Dijk until after that. Hopefully they lose... Why should they lose if these blokes are so great ?
Saint Charlie Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Why should they lose if these blokes are so great ? So we can sign them? Saganowski plays for Legia Warsaw who won the Polish league the last two seasons and are a decent side. Tough game.
buctootim Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 but if he had to choose between us and Everton where do you think he would go ? If my pay wasnt changing then I'd go to the club 1. Nearest to Arsenal / London / Heathrow 2. The club with the best players as coaches - Koeman x 2 and Sammy Lee.
Batman Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 looks like bigadam was right on a few things http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-50527.html
UpweySaint Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Why should they lose if these blokes are so great ? Strange logic. Even the best players are on the losing side now and then. I imagine saint charlie's point is no champions league seriously damages celtic's negotiating position. The players no longer have the option have champions league football if they stay and celtic, because of the clubs financial realities, would be more inclined to entertain sensible offers should they miss out on qualification.
Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Strange logic. Even the best players are on the losing side now and then. I imagine saint charlie's point is no champions league seriously damages celtic's negotiating position. The players no longer have the option have champions league football if they stay and celtic, because of the clubs financial realities, would be more inclined to entertain sensible offers should they miss out on qualification. Not strange logic at all, I expect them to win, can't see why they should lose.
UpweySaint Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Not strange logic at all, I expect them to win, can't see why they should lose. I find it strange. You suggested that if Celtic lose it would imply Van Dijk and Forster are not good enough or not "so great" as you put it.
waylander Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Why should they lose if these blokes are so great ? Because the rest of the team are sh#t!
Heisenberg Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Id be delighted with this signing http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfers-virgil-van-dijk-3909641#.U9F-V0pb1xs.twitter
S-Clarke Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Loic Remy has failed his L'Pool medical and the transfer is off, apparently now Liverpool will switch priority to Rodriguez. Not entirely sure how they expect him to pass a medical either?
SuperSAINT Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Loic Remy has failed his L'Pool medical and the transfer is off, apparently now Liverpool will switch priority to Rodriguez. Not entirely sure how they expect him to pass a medical either? Are we now going to have the whole cycle AGAIN with Liverpool bidding low and telling the press they've bid higher etc.
Batman Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Loic Remy has failed his L'Pool medical and the transfer is off, apparently now Liverpool will switch priority to Rodriguez. Not entirely sure how they expect him to pass a medical either? is there a point where might actually say no?
SuperSAINT Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 is there a point where might actually say no? I bloody hope so because whilst it was a terrible prospect at losing 3 to 4, we're going to be dangerously close to losing 7 to 8.
Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Loic Remy has failed his L'Pool medical and the transfer is off, apparently now Liverpool will switch priority to Rodriguez. Not entirely sure how they expect him to pass a medical either? thought Lacazette was their preferred back up option...could be wrong, other clubs know that we're in shîte street for some reason or other and will keep picking us over until anything useful has gone and been replaced by a Dutchman.
Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2014 Posted 27 July, 2014 Been away all weekend. Have I missed anything? Nope, same old,same old WI jumble sale.
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