OldNick Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Yes, it didn't need to happen. Cortese could have been a bit more accepting that the owner ought to be allowed some say in the matter of him spending her money and stayed. Pochettino could also have stayed instead of leaving for a bigger club for more money and at least he could have been a lot more honest and not messed us about before he left, by pretending that he would sign a renewed contract at the season's end. Equally all of the players could have turned down the opportunity to play for the glory clubs that they are at now, earning 3 or 4 times what they earned here. Ironic that this comes from Lambert, who was the only one who might have been happy to stay for honourable reasons, but who was allowed to leave only because it was his boyhood club that wanted him and we allowed a bit of sentiment to influence our decision on his move The catalyst of this was NC leaving. I seem to recall he was unsettled quite sometime before there was talk of not being given investment and so may have served his notice. Of course this is only my view and I have no proof. that event started the rest of the dominoes to fall. The players rightly or wrongly went with the dream and were on board. We were only 2or 3 players from being a really good side. As for players leaving, yes I think some still would have gone eg Shaw. RL may have also but his obvious love of our club would still made him think twice, even though it is Liverpool. He was at the early part of our rise back and perhaps may have liked to been there for even more. Many of the posters n here may dislike Cortese but MP and the majority of the squad did and they bought into the way we were going . Watch Spurs playing their good passing football yesterday did make me regret how things have panned out, it should still be us playing that game good on the eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 So are we saying;Morgan out,Classie,Townsend and Alderweireld in?. Acceptable? I'd go with that! Morgan's two performances have been well below his usual standard, although that could just be that he's 2 or 3 weeks behind everyone else in terms of match practise as he had no pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 If Boruc goes we should sign Friedel as short term cover. He is third choice at Spurs now. Good call, he's still got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 A Spurs ITK on their interest in our players (not good)... taken from link - http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/update-153-trix-re-in-depth-convo.111662/ Spurs are examining MS' contract for flaws it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Spurs are examining MS' contract for flaws it would seem. Absolute rubbish. He's under contract with us and that's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Absolute rubbish. He's under contract with us and that's that. Quite apart from the fact that its a confidential documentment between employer and employee.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 I'd go with that! Morgan's two performances have been well below his usual standard, although that could just be that he's 2 or 3 weeks behind everyone else in terms of match practise as he had no pre-season. Morgans performance is well below his capability. He looks like he's holding back from challenges, unlike him. I don't think it's because he's 2 weeks behind on fitness. He's keeping himself fit for Potty Chino. With Spurs rocking now, Jay Rod and Morgan will up their demands to leave this week in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 My conclusion is that MS is not putting himself about as he doesn't want to get injured before his deadline day switch,he may be behind a few weeks but he could be intense for 60 mins before being subbed,his half assed attitude says to me that he is only playing to save face. I am resigned to losing him and I hope we actually sign a like for like replacement (hard I know) but we really have to pull something out the bag to justify selling him. If by the end of next week we had sold Morgan and got in Townsend,Clasie and Alderweild I would be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 (edited) Quite apart from the fact that its a confidential documentment between employer and employee.... Schneiderlin has a copy. Club has a copy. ITK at Spurs hints someone is looking at MS' copy, implies spurs are aware of his contract and are assisting him. All plausible. Edited 25 August, 2014 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Quite apart from the fact that its a confidential documentment between employer and employee.... And agent who is I imagine the one going over the contract with a fine tooth comb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorsetsaint90 Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 I think morgans gone but i think he is worth more than we will get. But if he keeps playing like this he wont be worth anything next summer!(Wanyama is keeping us going) Id be well happy if we got vlaar, clasie, townsend and wellbeck by transfer deadline day but thats a dream world. If it did we would be pushing a lot higher up the table though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 And agent who is I imagine the one going over the contract with a fine tooth comb. Shouldnt he have done that before it was signed ? The inference is that Spurs have a copy. I would therefore fine Morgans ass off. If he's going, he's going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 I think morgans gone but i think he is worth more than we will get. But if he keeps playing like this he wont be worth anything next summer!(Wanyama is keeping us going) Id be well happy if we got vlaar, clasie, townsend and wellbeck by transfer deadline day but thats a dream world. If it did we would be pushing a lot higher up the table though! He's not going this window ffs. Watch the press conferences with koeman ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 I'd go with that! Morgan's two performances have been well below his usual standard, although that could just be that he's 2 or 3 weeks behind everyone else in terms of match practise as he had no pre-season. Schneiderlin has a copy. Club has a copy. ITK at Spurs hints someone is looking at MS' copy, implies spurs are aware of his contract and are assisting him. All plausible. But he is a southampton player, if we have not given permission for spurs to talk to him, then that in my eyes is spurs tapping him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 We have no chance of getting Alderweireld or Clasie. Stop wasting time Les and move on to some realistic targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Did Koeman manage Alderweireld at Ajax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Did Koeman manage Alderweireld at Ajax? Nope, Koeman left two or three years before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 How about one for nothing? But we'd have to hand £16m back, plus extras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Alderweireld would be a great signing, but unlikely IMO. Hope our name isn't being used again to attract other bidders/inflate the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 I think morgans gone but i think he is worth more than we will get. But if he keeps playing like this he wont be worth anything next summer!(Wanyama is keeping us going) Id be well happy if we got vlaar, clasie, townsend and wellbeck by transfer deadline day but thats a dream world. If it did we would be pushing a lot higher up the table though! We are two matches into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 SSN No second Southampton bid for Townsend. Not for Sale. Player wants to fight for place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Sunderland are in for Kalou. Now that's the sort of player we need. He could definitely do a job for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 We have no chance of getting Alderweireld or Clasie. Stop wasting time Les and move on to some realistic targets But this is exactly what we do, chasing shadows rather than realistic targets. How much time was spent on Rojo ? Wonder if our Les's glorious Global Scouting Network had considered Dier at the same club, and eventually sold for a quarter of the price? A target we should have been chasing in May/early June when we still had some remaining credibity as a club promoting exceptional English talent. We spent much of last summer chasing Osvaldo, when it was obvious he didn't want to join us. We know how successful that was. The year before it was weeks and weeks of Ramirez, yet to prove a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 But this is exactly what we do, chasing shadows rather than realistic targets. How much time was spent on Rojo ? Wonder if our Les's glorious Global Scouting Network had considered Dier at the same club, and eventually sold for a quarter of the price? A target we should have been chasing in May/early June when we still had some remaining credibity as a club promoting exceptional English talent. We spent much of last summer chasing Osvaldo, when it was obvious he didn't want to join us. We know how successful that was. The year before it was weeks and weeks of Ramirez, yet to prove a success. Difficult to argue against any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 But this is exactly what we do, chasing shadows rather than realistic targets. How much time was spent on Rojo ? Wonder if our Les's glorious Global Scouting Network had considered Dier at the same club, and eventually sold for a quarter of the price? A target we should have been chasing in May/early June when we still had some remaining credibity as a club promoting exceptional English talent. We spent much of last summer chasing Osvaldo, when it was obvious he didn't want to join us. We know how successful that was. The year before it was weeks and weeks of Ramirez, yet to prove a success. Yet when we chased marque signings all summer when cortese was here it was a real statement of intent, fantastic just to be linked with players like this, real ambition etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Yet when we chased marque signings all summer when cortese was here it was a real statement of intent, fantastic just to be linked with players like this, real ambition etc. I'd agree that the Ramirez transfer was one that showed an ambition, especially after the previous four years, but I think most people considered the Osvaldo saga to be a farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Wonder if our Les's glorious Global Scouting Network had considered Dier at the same club, and eventually sold for a quarter of the price maybe we did but encountered a similar problem as we did with coutinho. the player didn't want to come to us, so liverpool got the bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 I'd agree that the Ramirez transfer was one that showed an ambition, especially after the previous four years, but I think most people considered the Osvaldo saga to be a farce. Really? It turned into a farce but People were practically begging him to sign at the time. The Ramirez saga dragged on for months too and when he eventually did sign his first comment told us exactly why he was here 'they pay me so much money' he said. Add to that the numerous other players we chased during those two windows that turned us down quite how you can criticise the current board for doing exactly what cortese did the years before is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 But we'd have to hand £16m back, plus extras. Just think of Les's petrol and travel expenses we could have saved too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Really? It turned into a farce but People were practically begging him to sign at the time. The Ramirez saga dragged on for months too and when he eventually did sign his first comment told us exactly why he was here 'they pay me so much money' he said. Add to that the numerous other players we chased during those two windows that turned us down quite how you can criticise the current board for doing exactly what cortese did the years before is beyond me. I distinctly remember last season we signed David Astori with the minimum of fuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Really? It turned into a farce but People were practically begging him to sign at the time. The Ramirez saga dragged on for months too and when he eventually did sign his first comment told us exactly why he was here 'they pay me so much money' he said. Add to that the numerous other players we chased during those two windows that turned us down quite how you can criticise the current board for doing exactly what cortese did the years before is beyond me. I would not have been gushing in praise for NC either to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 I distinctly remember last season we signed David Astori with the minimum of fuss. Twice wasn't it ? Originally in January 2013 - but that was okay, we signed Forren instead - and then again later in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Don't get the assumption we can only chase one player at once. Just because we go for players for whom we are not going to be 'first choice' does not mean we are not working on other targets. Not a unequivocal fact but I think the general consensus was that Gardos was brought in when it became clear we could not attract Rojos. If we are chasing Alderwield I am glad. Six million is a bargain for the player and if he goes to a club we perceive to be 'on our level' after us dropping our interest people on here would be having fits. May as well give him our best offer but make sure we have other irons in the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 We have no chance of getting Alderweireld or Clasie. Stop wasting time Les and move on to some realistic targets Why does Saints have no chance of getting Clasie? It looks like he wants to leave Feyenoord after we lost so many others and Feyenoord is willing to sell for the right prize. Until now only Porto made a bid but it was too low. Feyenoord wants 8 million and that would be no problem for Saints I suppose? To be honest, I don't believe that Clasie (just like Daley Blind from Ajax) is able to cope with the pace of the PL and besides that, he's rather small in comparence with the average player in the PL. I'm afraid he'll be overblown... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Why does Saints have no chance of getting Clasie? It looks like he wants to leave Feyenoord after we lost so many others and Feyenoord is willing to sell for the right prize. Until now only Porto made a bid but it was too low. Feyenoord wants 8 million and that would be no problem for Saints I suppose? To be honest, I don't believe that Clasie (just like Daley Blind from Ajax) is able to cope with the pace of the PL and besides that, he's rather small in comparence with the average player in the PL. I'm afraid he'll be overblown... Thanks for the insight, what do you think of Alderweireld? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 I distinctly remember last season we signed David Astori with the minimum of fuss. Philipe courtinho couldn't wait to get here ahead of Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 SSN No second Southampton bid for Townsend. Not for Sale. Player wants to fight for place. Shocking player at a bigger club doesn't want to come to us....who of thought it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Shocking player at a bigger club doesn't want to come to us....who of thought it? Was that a Freudian slip or did you miss the comma on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Thanks for the insight, what do you think of Alderweireld? I remember Alderweireld of his time with Ajax when he played together with Vertonghen. He was a decent player for them and he has a great shot (Ajax usually plays a system in which the central backs are supposed to move up front when possible) but I have my doubts about Alderweireld when it comes to real defending. In that way, it didn't surprise me that he mostly stayed on the bench at Atletico. I guess it all comes down to the system Koeman wants to play and which player fits in the best way. Considering that Koeman has said that Vlaar would fit in nicely, it would be strange when he settles for Alderweireld. It's a different kind of defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Really? It turned into a farce but People were practically begging him to sign at the time. The Ramirez saga dragged on for months too and when he eventually did sign his first comment told us exactly why he was here 'they pay me so much money' he said. Add to that the numerous other players we chased during those two windows that turned us down quite how you can criticise the current board for doing exactly what cortese did the years before is beyond me. Two years (and maybe one year ago) a lot of people, me included, were probably delighted that we spent the time and effort to sign big name players from possibly bigger clubs. Maybe I was naive then. Now I've realised, and I expect many others have too, that if it takes a long time to sign a big name player, it's because he's waiting for other clubs to put in offer sand will only join us as a last resort. I'll fully admit to being a giddy little school girl when we used to get linked with big name players. Hopefully i have wisened up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Why do people complain about wasted time without knowing how much time has been spent on something and to what extent it presents time being simultaneously being spent on other things? Just seems to be a strong desire to be annoyed. Also, you could argue all day about what a realistic target it, you won't know until you try. Some rubbish players might not want to move here and some good ones might fancy it. Seems to be no way to please people. Go for Bertrand/Long etc. we have lowered our expectations/ambitions etc - these players are not good enough. Go for Rojo/Alderwield etc. we are wasting our time on unrealistic targets. People are never happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Rojo - will be interesting to see if he plays here in this country. With a criminal case in the offing and likely jail time if found guilty, many countries wouldn't give him a visa/work permit. He hasn't got one yet, so wondering whether that is the hold up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Go for Bertrand/Long etc. we have lowered our expectations/ambitions etc - these players are not good enough. Go for Rojo/Alderwield etc. we are wasting our time on unrealistic targets. People are never happy. I get your point, I haven't heard of the unrealistic targets a couple of weeks ago! That is a reflection of my lack of World football, but I would prefer us to go for British targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Rojo - will be interesting to see if he plays here in this country. With a criminal case in the offing and likely jail time if found guilty, many countries wouldn't give him a visa/work permit. He hasn't got one yet, so wondering whether that is the hold up. Won't get any more jail time than Lee Barnard, same sort of offence I believe, been dragging on for about as long as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Won't get any more jail time than Lee Barnard, same sort of offence I believe, been dragging on for about as long as well. True, but it affects visas. I am no lawyer and no visa/immigration specialist, but..... Paragraph 320(18) of the Rules states that an application should normally be refused if that person has been convicted of an offence in any country, which would be punishable with imprisonment for a term of 12 months or more if the offence had occurred in the UK,. ECOs should not refuse under 320(18) if the conviction is considered “spent” under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (see Annex 26.3). Paragraph 320(18) will not apply where an applicant has been cautioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Why do people complain about wasted time without knowing how much time has been spent on something and to what extent it presents time being simultaneously being spent on other things? Just seems to be a strong desire to be annoyed. Also, you could argue all day about what a realistic target it, you won't know until you try. Some rubbish players might not want to move here and some good ones might fancy it. Seems to be no way to please people. There seem to be some simple folk on here who seem to think elapsed time spent on a forum discussing possible transfers equates to elapsed time spent by the Club wrapping up a complex transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 3m Geoff Cameron could be leaving #SCFC soon, according to @JPW_NBCSports. #Lazio, #SAFC, #HCAFC, #LCFC & #SaintsFC the potential destinations. Geoff Cameron anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Simon Peach just mentioned Geoff Cameron from Lazio, seen his name mentioned before, not a clue about him personally. Panic buy late 20's dross or scout gem with bags of potential? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Simon Peach just mentioned Geoff Cameron from Lazio, seen his name mentioned before, not a clue about him personally. Panic buy late 20's dross or scout gem with bags of potential? Lazio? He's the stoke utility player. A pretty solid player if all is told, unspectacular, but a solid squad addition. Pretty much bang on in terms of a mid-table signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 25 August, 2014 Share Posted 25 August, 2014 Lazio? He's the stoke utility player. A pretty solid player if all is told, unspectacular, but a solid squad addition. Pretty much bang on in terms of a mid-table signing. That proves how much I know about him, just saw the hashtag Lazio at quick glance.. Cheers for the info, not inspired, but not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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