SuperSAINT Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 interesting, Vickey to talksport, who is very knowledgable about south american players says that he thinks Rojo will struggle in the prem if he is playing CB in a back 4. but would do well at a left wing back/left side of a back 3. I remember him being spot on regarding Gaston.
angelman Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 What did he say about Gaston? And if he is to be a left side (wing) back, where exactly does Shaw fit in?
Tokyo-Saint Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 I heard Shaw was having trouble fitting into anything these days.
SuperSAINT Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 What did he say about Gaston? And if he is to be a left side (wing) back, where exactly does Shaw fit in? 5.30 mins in. http://talksport.com/radio/hawksbee-and-jacobs/120607/vickery-why-ramirez-would-not-be-good-signing-spurs-173873
Saint_Abroad Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 What did he say about Gaston? And if he is to be a left side (wing) back, where exactly does Shaw fit in? I heard Shaw was having trouble fitting into anything these days. That was just laying out there and you took it. Good you Mr Tokyo-Saint.
Chez Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 A player that can run with the ball is actually quite unusual. We and in fact every team needs one. It unsettles defences and gains ground. He may need to improve his end product but then thats why he's not priced like Bale. People concentrate too much on what a player can't do. To build a team you need a mix of what players can do and be able to compensate for what they can't. We have plenty of good passers in the team. Could not agree more. Having players that can dribble can make a big difference both in attack and defence. Being comfortable on the ball and actually wanting to keep it no matter what pressure they are under enables the side to keep the ball, slow the game down (or speed it up if need be) and stop the ball from coming straight back at our defence. Lallana did it brilliantly for us, getting the ball all the time, keeping it, running with it (not just passing it) dragging players out of position and opening up space elsewhere. You also need dribblers with pace to stretch teams and put fullbacks on the back foot. Losing Shaw will hurt us over the season, but that blow could be softened by bringing in Townsend. A side needs pace and runners beyond the ball. When Rodriguez got injured that was lost from our game. Again Townsend can help with that.
Bewildered Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.iltempo.it/sport/calcio/2014/08/20/lazio-fuori-tutto-1.1299137&usg=ALkJrhgVoGcXBtdu5KuPIrECywmyiHT1OA The first output should be Alvaro Gonzalez, required in England, particularly by the wealthy Southampton. Difficult to obtain eight million pounds, as the Mirror wrote two days ago, but the Uruguayan - yesterday once again absent from training camp, a clear sign of ongoing negotiations - could leave for 5-6 million euro saving to Lazio more than six million salary, or the gross compensation that should receive in the next three years. More talk about Gonzalez to Saints in Italian press.
Doctoroncall Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 So how does Townsend compare to Isgrove in the footballing stakes? Also Rodriguez should be back in about 8 weeks.
Wes Tender Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Townsend would be an exciting signing, who drives on with the ball at feet. We have no one like that now lallama has left. Doesn't Tadic do that, then?
derry Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 like we have to teach long to score goals? I don't think we have bought Long as a main goal scorer, more to create space and cause defences problems with his running. He will hopefully get his share. He probably suffers a little on the goal count by playing for the not exactly high scoring WBA and Hull.
Batman Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 I don't think we have bought Long as a main goal scorer, more to create space and cause defences problems with his running. He will hopefully get his share. He probably suffers a little on the goal count by playing for the not exactly high scoring WBA and Hull. then god help us this season
CB Fry Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 dunno, yet In Wes' s world we just swap Lallana out, parachute Tadic in and bish bosh job done. Basically like changing batteries in a remote control, because Lallana's contribution as a Saints stalwart, figurehead and virtual one club man has no additional value that can't be easily replaced by a Serbian who couldn't point to Southampton on a map two months ago.
Wes Tender Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 In Wes' s world we just swap Lallana out, parachute Tadic in and bish bosh job done. Basically like changing batteries in a remote control, because Lallana's contribution as a Saints stalwart, figurehead and virtual one club man has no additional value that can't be easily replaced by a Serbian who couldn't point to Southampton on a map two months ago. As usual, Fry demonstrates his normal lack of objectivity in favour of a vain attempt at point-scoring via his typically snide, supercilious riposte. No effort to debate whether Tadic is as capable of dribbling a ball as effectively as Lallana, he just sees it as an affront that somebody dares to question whether he could be replaced by a player costing a third of the price. And what has it got to do with anything where Tadic comes from? Would you be looking down you nose at Messi or Suarez, just because they probably didn't know where Southampton was? Or have you just got a thing about Serbians? Croats like Lovren, presumably OK, but he probably didn't know where Southampton was either. And also typically, there is the total lack of comprehension demonstrated, where if somebody just suggests that another player can run with the ball at his feet like Lallana, it is taken as a dig at the greedy badge-kisser.
JxgrSaint Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.iltempo.it/sport/calcio/2014/08/20/lazio-fuori-tutto-1.1299137&usg=ALkJrhgVoGcXBtdu5KuPIrECywmyiHT1OA More talk about Gonzalez to Saints in Italian press. So about £4m - sounds better for a utility player...
hypochondriac Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 As usual, Fry demonstrates his normal lack of objectivity in favour of a vain attempt at point-scoring via his typically snide, supercilious riposte. No effort to debate whether Tadic is as capable of dribbling a ball as effectively as Lallana, he just sees it as an affront that somebody dares to question whether he could be replaced by a player costing a third of the price. And what has it got to do with anything where Tadic comes from? Would you be looking down you nose at Messi or Suarez, just because they probably didn't know where Southampton was? Or have you just got a thing about Serbians? Croats like Lovren, presumably OK, but he probably didn't know where Southampton was either. And also typically, there is the total lack of comprehension demonstrated, where if somebody just suggests that another player can run with the ball at his feet like Lallana, it is taken as a dig at the greedy badge-kisser. there goes dear old Wes spectacularly missing the point once more.
Wes Tender Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 there goes dear old Wes spectacularly missing the point once more. There goes hypo, brown-nosing his mate fry. Don't you have anything more interesting to add to the discussion? No? Quel surprise!
Turkish Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 As usual, Fry demonstrates his normal lack of objectivity in favour of a vain attempt at point-scoring via his typically snide, supercilious riposte. No effort to debate whether Tadic is as capable of dribbling a ball as effectively as Lallana, he just sees it as an affront that somebody dares to question whether he could be replaced by a player costing a third of the price. And what has it got to do with anything where Tadic comes from? Would you be looking down you nose at Messi or Suarez, just because they probably didn't know where Southampton was? Or have you just got a thing about Serbians? Croats like Lovren, presumably OK, but he probably didn't know where Southampton was either. And also typically, there is the total lack of comprehension demonstrated, where if somebody just suggests that another player can run with the ball at his feet like Lallana, it is taken as a dig at the greedy badge-kisser. Lack of objectivity, would this be things like deciding Koeman is a better manager than Pochetino and deciding Tadic is a better player than Lallana, before a ball has been even kicked, right les?
Wes Tender Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 A post from Giordano on the Townsend thread, discussing Townsend's ability to run with the ball at his feet:- I think GR is probably too worried about his image to go too much one on one anymore but apart from Tadic and lloyd isgrove to a lesser extent who else is there in our squad can do that with speed and trickery? So it seems I am not alone with this opinion. Feel free to go and pour scorn on him for holding opinions that don't meet with your approval.
CB Fry Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 As usual, Fry demonstrates his normal lack of objectivity in favour of a vain attempt at point-scoring via his typically snide, supercilious riposte. No effort to debate whether Tadic is as capable of dribbling a ball as effectively as Lallana, he just sees it as an affront that somebody dares to question whether he could be replaced by a player costing a third of the price. And what has it got to do with anything where Tadic comes from? Would you be looking down you nose at Messi or Suarez, just because they probably didn't know where Southampton was? Or have you just got a thing about Serbians? Croats like Lovren, presumably OK, but he probably didn't know where Southampton was either. And also typically, there is the total lack of comprehension demonstrated, where if somebody just suggests that another player can run with the ball at his feet like Lallana, it is taken as a dig at the greedy badge-kisser. As you've demonstrated again here, you think one of the Premier League players of the season and five-year Southampton stalwart is a doddle to replace: switch one out, drop the new one in. Fine. I don't. And nice you have a go at my debating style, when all you seem to do is roll out a "yeah but would you say the same about [insert utterly irrelevant player here]. No mention of Andy Carroll this time but another airing for Wes favoured touchstone Lionel Messi. In no way a vain attempt at points scoring. Oh no. And you've got, like, loads of objectivity, haven't you. Well done.
Wes Tender Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 http://www.squawka.com/news/how-did-dusan-tadic-do-on-his-southampton-debut-against-liverpool/161213 http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/08/18/ex-liverpool-man-picks-southampton-and-manchester-city-signings/ Here are a couple of links suggesting that our new boy got off to a pretty good start for us. Whether he will reach the dizzy heights of team of the year remains to be seen. Of course, as usual with your unique ability to twist things, I never said that Lallana would be a doddle to replace, did I? Any more than you have said that he would be impossible to replace. Regarding your debating "style" (which is a bit of a oxymoron) you haven't explained yet what the relevance is of where Tadic comes from. As you very well know, the mention of Messi was a sarcastic reference to show that had we signed him, you wouldn't be worrying whether he could pinpoint Southampton on a map.
Batman Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Looks like that McKay to manage Palace has fallen through
pimpin4rizeal Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 From the first look of tadic id say he looks like he will use the ball a lot better then lallana, he played some really clever passes especially the ones that played clyne in on goal. Lallanas biggest strength was he was just so comfortable on the ball and could just keep turning defenders for fun but his end product wasnt amazing.
Bearsy Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 From the first look of tadic id say he looks like he will use the ball a lot better then lallana, he played some really clever passes especially the ones that played clyne in on goal. Lallanas biggest strength was he was just so comfortable on the ball and could just keep turning defenders for fun but his end product wasnt amazing. I could see how he ended up world record holder for making chances or whatever it was, every other pass was a through ball, or an attempt at one.
SB Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Ward-prowse is the new figurehead. Good PR by the club, like when Lee Holmes was called the next Arjen Robben.. Uhoh.
pimpin4rizeal Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 I could see how he ended up world record holder for making chances or whatever it was, every other pass was a through ball, or an attempt at one. Totally agree, we didnt really have someone like that who could play class through balls that require skill and vision. Gaston i think is capable but he still hasnt got a decent run in the side with his fitness. But if Tadic keeps creating chances at that rate he will be a superb signing.
Batman Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Totally agree, we didnt really have someone like that who could play class through balls that require skill and vision. Gaston i think is capable but he still hasnt got a decent run in the side with his fitness. But if Tadic keeps creating chances at that rate he will be a superb signing. he will have to be world class to keep it up in a few weeks, he will have been scouted quite a bit and many teams have very good players and managers to counter him
The Cat Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 he will have to be world class to keep it up in a few weeks, he will have been scouted quite a bit and many teams have very good players and managers to counter him Did the scouts in Holland not try to work out his game and counter his play? Because the stats either suggest they didn't bother, or that he is in fact pretty damn good.
Batman Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Did the scouts in Holland not try to work out his game and counter his play? Because the stats either suggest they didn't bother, or that he is in fact pretty damn good. I have no idea. I do know that the Dutch league is horrendously weak. he played for one of the best teams in holland where most of the league is shyte. the prem is miles harder
CB Saint Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Batman, I suggest Valium. It really will improve your outlook on life.
CB Fry Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 http://www.squawka.com/news/how-did-dusan-tadic-do-on-his-southampton-debut-against-liverpool/161213 http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/08/18/ex-liverpool-man-picks-southampton-and-manchester-city-signings/ Here are a couple of links suggesting that our new boy got off to a pretty good start for us. Whether he will reach the dizzy heights of team of the year remains to be seen. Of course, as usual with your unique ability to twist things, I never said that Lallana would be a doddle to replace, did I? Any more than you have said that he would be impossible to replace. Regarding your debating "style" (which is a bit of a oxymoron) you haven't explained yet what the relevance is of where Tadic comes from. As you very well know, the mention of Messi was a sarcastic reference to show that had we signed him, you wouldn't be worrying whether he could pinpoint Southampton on a map. Tadic coming from Holland via Serbia is relevant because while you think he can just drop in, I think he has a job to do to adjust to the league, the city, the club and his new team. He is a newcomer in all departments. It is very difficult to expect him to stroll in and take on the role of a massively significant member of our squad. Let's remember in your great debating style Tadic gets compared to Messi but just as pointlessly I could say one of Barcelona's best players is Messi, we've lost one of our best players, we've lost our Messi. Do you see? We can all pointlessly compare people to Messi. Great debating style. Meanwhile, you continue to bridle at anyone daring to say Lallana was a significant player for us and hard to replace. Hey, compare him to Carroll again. Compare him to "players that leave because they're not good enough". Great debating style.
Heisenberg Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 he will have to be world class to keep it up in a few weeks, he will have been scouted quite a bit and many teams have very good players and managers to counter him Classic. So Chambers has one good game and he's now worth way more than we sold him for, a shoe in for England, criminal that we sold him bla bla bla But Tadic has a good game and it wont/cant last, he will be found out, many teams have good players bla bla bla
washsaint Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Heisenberg/Glasgow - you know Batman/Delldays/jamie is a parody and poor mans WUM. Don't rise to it. 1 more signing and I reckon we have a deeper squad than last year - really excited to see how the team does when it gels. Can't understand why people are scoffing at Isgrove (home grown, desperate to succeed) and disregarding him and saying how wonderful Townsend is. And re. Tadic - in pre-season and the Liverpool game he looked a far more dangerous player than Lallana did towards the end of the season where his ego could not get through the door. So signs are promising that he could well offer more than Lallana although time will tell.
scotty Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 122 pages of "transfer rumours only". Interesting to remember why this thread got started by Jimmy D..... the original got moved because it had drifted off topic. Bring back the totty. Its got to be more interesting than the feeble point scoring and bickering we're getting at the moment.
SNSUN Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Nick Powell is available. Yes please. Was One of Wigan's best players last season, highly skilful and not wanted by United.
Wes Tender Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Tadic coming from Holland via Serbia is relevant because while you think he can just drop in, I think he has a job to do to adjust to the league, the city, the club and his new team. He is a newcomer in all departments. It is very difficult to expect him to stroll in and take on the role of a massively significant member of our squad. Let's remember in your great debating style Tadic gets compared to Messi but just as pointlessly I could say one of Barcelona's best players is Messi, we've lost one of our best players, we've lost our Messi. Do you see? We can all pointlessly compare people to Messi. Great debating style. Meanwhile, you continue to bridle at anyone daring to say Lallana was a significant player for us and hard to replace. Hey, compare him to Carroll again. Compare him to "players that leave because they're not good enough". Great debating style. *Yawn*
Saint86 Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 I have no idea. I do know that the Dutch league is horrendously weak. he played for one of the best teams in holland where most of the league is shyte. the prem is miles harder And yet, the players that came out of it with a similar level of acclaim to tadic are Robben, van persi, suarez, ruud van nistelrooy etc etc etc... Hopefully we can add Pelle to that list
SarniaSaint Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Tadic coming from Holland via Serbia is relevant because while you think he can just drop in, I think he has a job to do to adjust to the league, the city, the club and his new team. He is a newcomer in all departments. It is very difficult to expect him to stroll in and take on the role of a massively significant member of our squad. In only one game last season did he produce an end product to all the pretty play that was Newcastle at home. In fact he also added a lot of defending mistakes, remember Liverpool at home. But guess he thought he was already there LOL
hypochondriac Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 In only one game last season did he produce an end product to all the pretty play that was Newcastle at home. In fact he also added a lot of defending mistakes, remember Liverpool at home. But guess he thought he was already there LOL Don't be a berk and rewrite history.
sadoldgit Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 122 pages of "transfer rumours only". Interesting to remember why this thread got started by Jimmy D..... the original got moved because it had drifted off topic. Bring back the totty. Its got to be more interesting than the feeble point scoring and bickering we're getting at the moment. Spot on!!!!!
SarniaSaint Posted 20 August, 2014 Posted 20 August, 2014 Don't be a berk and rewrite history. berk = Berkshire Hunt so did you just call me a c--t? Mods I think this deserves an infraction LOL and BTW I am not rewriting history just giving my opinion OK sorry it don't agree with yours
CB Fry Posted 21 August, 2014 Posted 21 August, 2014 *Yawn* That's just what Lionel Messi would say. Great debating style.
silversaint Posted 21 August, 2014 Posted 21 August, 2014 Gonzalez not thought to be a target according to the echo.
CB Fry Posted 21 August, 2014 Posted 21 August, 2014 In only one game last season did he produce an end product to all the pretty play that was Newcastle at home. In fact he also added a lot of defending mistakes, remember Liverpool at home. But guess he thought he was already there LOL He scored all his 10 goals last season in one game against Newcastle? Wow. I didn't remember it like that but you know best. Guess it must have been that single performance that got him in the Premier League team of the year and the England squad.
SuperSAINT Posted 21 August, 2014 Posted 21 August, 2014 (edited) Echo reports Morgan won't be involved in a Townsend swap deal and that we have no interest in Gonzales. http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11422941._/ Edited 21 August, 2014 by SuperSAINT
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