Saint IQ Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Can we please get a quality winger in with pace... My kingdom for a quality winger with pace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Can we please get a quality winger in with pace... My kingdom for a quality winger with pace One fan's quality winger in another fan's cart horse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 One fan's quality winger in another fan's cart horse.. If I think he's quality, he's quality. Ignore the 'other' fans opposite opinions. They're wrong I tell you. Wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Am I crazy or does this make no sense: So Norwich asked for a certain fee but then said they don't want to sell!?! I thought that then supposed he has a release clause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Redmond has the potential to be brilliant IMO, Townsend.. not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 I thought that then supposed he has a release clause? Either way, I think it's the "Stoke" bit that may be the problem.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Redmond has the potential to be brilliant IMO, Townsend.. not so much Redmond had better start producing something soon then. I have only seen him consistently play well in age group football, ie Eng U20s or 21s. At senior level he is far too inconsistent and not really a goal threat, whereas Townsend, although lacking refinement, certainly does trouble teams, and physically is more imposing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 I wonder how much Schneiderlin not being allowed to leave was to do with the offer being too low and a part exchange again not players we wanted, rather than fan unrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Redmond has the potential to be brilliant IMO, Townsend.. not so much It was interesting that Redmond seemingly Stoke's 1st choice over Victor Moses. I'm still uncomfortable being linked with a Spurs player when they want Morgan so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Which teams exactly has he troubled in the premier league? I've never seen it. I've seen Ramirez trouble teams far more, yet he's nowhere near our team it seems, and only a winger when forced out of position. Townsend is a genuine winger, which is what we are looking for. He isn't perfect, because if he was he wouldnt be linked with a team like Saints. But, he does run at defenders, as of halfway through last season his dribbles per game average was the highest in the league and he completed 66% of them, which isn't bad. He had also had the second most shots in the league (behind Suarez). His conversion rate of course wasn't particularly good, but he gets in decent positions and backs himself. He isnt a superb player, but would add some direct running to our team which we miss without Jay Rod and have nobody else capable of it. Despite what anyone says, for me he would enhance our team, to do well you need all types. We have lots of very tidy passers who are great on the ball, but never go past a man. Townsend would be a different option, and of those we have been linked with in that position, is the best IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Townsend is a genuine winger, which is what we are looking for. He isn't perfect, because if he was he wouldnt be linked with a team like Saints. But, he does run at defenders, as of halfway through last season his dribbles per game average was the highest in the league and he completed 66% of them, which isn't bad. He had also had the second most shots in the league (behind Suarez). His conversion rate of course wasn't particularly good, but he gets in decent positions and backs himself. He isnt a superb player, but would add some direct running to our team which we miss without Jay Rod and have nobody else capable of it. Despite what anyone says, for me he would enhance our team, to do well you need all types. We have lots of very tidy passers who are great on the ball, but never go past a man. Townsend would be a different option, and of those we have been linked with in that position, is the best IMO. Decent post. I am astounded that there seems to be plenty on here who don't rate him. He obviously hasn't done well in a lot of Football Manager games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 So you didn't think we'd spend it all in one window, neither did I and neither did pretty much every Saints fan alive, but you are still having a gripe at Krueger for supposedly inferring something which pretty much no one including you took out of what he said. How, exactly, does that work?i believe that him saying such a thing calmed people down.I think he also said we would be stronger on Sept 1, to be so we would have to have spent a lot more than we have on Long and a few loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Townsend is a genuine winger, which is what we are looking for. Is it? Has Koeman categorically stated that? Are we after an out-and-out wide man winger (like Navas)? Or a playmaker type (Hazard/Silva)? I genuinely don't know. We had a pretty successful season last year without one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Decent post. I am astounded that there seems to be plenty on here who don't rate him. He obviously hasn't done well in a lot of Football Manager games. i thought he looked very handy when he came on for Spurs on Saturday, couple of cracking shots that could have gone in on another day. Don't think he's a 90 minute player though and may not be overused in Pochettino systems. If we really want a winger we could do worse but there's no way that Spurs will let us have him without getting what they want as well. So we come down to the nub, how much do we want Townsend and how much do we really want to keep Morgan. If Koeman had a higher opinion of Cork than he semingly does the problem might be simpler to resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 (edited) i believe that him saying such a thing calmed people down.I think he also said we would be stronger on Sept 1, to be so we would have to have spent a lot more than we have on Long and a few loans. To be fair, we were blatantly after Hernandez and Rojo and, if we'd got them instead of our backups, I would have been incredibly optimistic so that's probably where he was coming from. As it is, I think that the sales have meant we've had to settle for our third or fourth choices so everyone is a bit underwhelmed when compared to the earlier rhetoric. Still fairly happy with the squad though and the window isn't over. Edited 20 August, 2014 by farawaysaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rees Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Is it? Has Koeman categorically stated that? Are we after an out-and-out wide man winger (like Navas)? Or a playmaker type (Hazard/Silva)? I genuinely don't know. We had a pretty successful season last year without one. He said something about needing a 'wide' player. Assume he means an Isgrove type player rather than a Tadic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Has anyone seen Gonzalez play ? £8m seems a lot for a 29yo winger and would seem his better days are behind him,I know he can play all along the right side but it makes me wonder if he is worth the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 To be fair we were blatantly after Hernandez and Rojo if we'd got them instead of our backups I would have been incredibly optimistic and that's probably where he was coming form. As it is, I think that the sales have meant we've had to settle for our third or fourth choices so everyone is a bit underwhelmed when compared to the earlier rhetoric. Still fairly happy with the squad though and the window isn't over. But we never had any chance of signing either Rojo or Hernandez, we do not have the status to sign such players. Krueger must know that mustn't he ? In fact what seems to have happened with Rojo just proves the point, we can run after him all we like, offer whatever we want but players such as he don't sign for also rans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 To be fair, we were blatantly after Hernandez and Rojo and, if we'd got them instead of our backups, I would have been incredibly optimistic so that's probably where he was coming from. As it is, I think that the sales have meant we've had to settle for our third or fourth choices so everyone is a bit underwhelmed when compared to the earlier rhetoric. Still fairly happy with the squad though and the window isn't over. in seems we were blatantly after Long and Vardy!!! Money in, and a little out, and the rest swept away. It would be nye impossible for us to really find what has been taken in and what has gone out, especially as the transfer fees are now being undisclosed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 BBC says we're a candidate to sign Alex Song...wtf is that about then, don't we already have a full house in midfield. Must be yet more bulldung I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 BBC says we're a candidate to sign Alex Song...wtf is that about then, don't we already have a full house in midfield. Must be yet more bulldung I suppose.decent player, so would be good if true although another defensive midfielder may mean we might lose one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 BBC says we're a candidate to sign Alex Song...wtf is that about then, don't we already have a full house in midfield. Must be yet more bulldung I suppose. Where is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Has anyone seen Gonzalez play ? £8m seems a lot for a 29yo winger and would seem his better days are behind him,I know he can play all along the right side but it makes me wonder if he is worth the price No but when I asked an Italian journalist about him he said he is a gritty, versatile wide midfielder who is more defensive minded than attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Former Liverpool defender John Arne Riise, 33, who is a free agent after leaving Fulham in the summer, has claimed Aston Villa are interested in signing him. (Sky Sports) Free, one year deal, backup for LB, would likely accept not being first choice? HDCAJFU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Former Liverpool defender John Arne Riise, 33, who is a free agent after leaving Fulham in the summer, has claimed Aston Villa are interested in signing him. (Sky Sports) Free, one year deal, backup for LB, would likely accept not being first choice? HDCAJFU? We have Targett as back up for Bertrand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 (edited) Former Liverpool defender John Arne Riise, 33, who is a free agent after leaving Fulham in the summer, has claimed Aston Villa are interested in signing him. (Sky Sports) Free, one year deal, backup for LB, would likely accept not being first choice? HDCAJFU? I doubt they'd want to block the pathway for Targett. Plus, Riise really isn't very good anymore as last season showed. Edited 20 August, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Redmond had better start producing something soon then. I have only seen him consistently play well in age group football, ie Eng U20s or 21s. At senior level he is far too inconsistent and not really a goal threat, whereas Townsend, although lacking refinement, certainly does trouble teams, and physically is more imposing too. He doesn't trouble that many teams, unless by trouble you mean shoot from distance and not score. Maybe Redmond isnt a goal threat because Norwich don't have good passers in the team and rarely had more possession than the opponents they had last season. Whereas Townsend is in a team full of good passers and a team that always has a lot of possession. Swap those players around and I think you'd see a Redmond have a far bigger impact than Townsend does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Former Liverpool defender John Arne Riise, 33, who is a free agent after leaving Fulham in the summer, has claimed Aston Villa are interested in signing him. (Sky Sports) Free, one year deal, backup for LB, would likely accept not being first choice? HDCAJFU? Better to have young talent providing the backup, rather than filling the squad with crap. He is crap these days tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Former Liverpool defender John Arne Riise, 33, who is a free agent after leaving Fulham in the summer, has claimed Aston Villa are interested in signing him. (Sky Sports) Free, one year deal, backup for LB, would likely accept not being first choice? HDCAJFU? That would be completely mental. Far rather Targett got games than a 33-year-old on four times as much money, who we know to be not good enough for the prem. Signing old has-beens as 'back-ups' is never a good idea, with the possible exception of goalkeepers. That is what the academy is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Yeah, steer well clear of Riise. I'm happy with Bertrand & Targett. Looking forward to see how they both progress this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Decent post. I am astounded that there seems to be plenty on here who don't rate him. He obviously hasn't done well in a lot of Football Manager games. There is a good reason that people don't rate Townsend. He's not very good. It's all well and good to judge footballers on highlights, and if that's what you want to do then so be it, but the guy has no end product. Nothing. Nadda. Zilch. He has two moves. 1. Run really fast to the byline and then punt the ball out attempting a cross or overhitting the cross. 2. Run really fast at goal and put it into row Z. Seriously, just no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 There is a good reason that people don't rate Townsend. He's not very good. It's all well and good to judge footballers on highlights, and if that's what you want to do then so be it, but the guy has no end product. Nothing. Nadda. Zilch. He has two moves. 1. Run really fast to the byline and then punt the ball out attempting a cross or overhitting the cross. 2. Run really fast at goal and put it into row Z. Seriously, just no.a tad unfair, he has a decent shot on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 a tad unfair, he has a decent shot on him Disagree. When they go in, they look great. But they are so few and far between. As Jeff mentioned, you only get this from highlights. The majority of his shots are wild and come no where near troubling the opposition GK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 a tad unfair, he has a decent shot on him So good that he has scored 3 in 43 games in the Premiership, yet had the second most shots in the Prem last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 There is a good reason that people don't rate Townsend. He's not very good. It's all well and good to judge footballers on highlights, and if that's what you want to do then so be it, but the guy has no end product. Nothing. Nadda. Zilch. He has two moves. 1. Run really fast to the byline and then punt the ball out attempting a cross or overhitting the cross. 2. Run really fast at goal and put it into row Z. Seriously, just no. In your opinion, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 in seems we were blatantly after Long and Vardy!!! Money in, and a little out, and the rest swept away. It would be nye impossible for us to really find what has been taken in and what has gone out, especially as the transfer fees are now being undisclosed What a load of rubbish. One cursory mention of Vardy is all I've seen this summer, coincidentally on the day he signed his new contract. But if you want to latch on to that compared to the multiple sources and reports on Rojo and Hernandez then crack on. In other news: it's not your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 It seems from statistics we need twice as many long shots 30ish to score a goal as the top teams at 15ish. Seems an awful lot of football to score a goal from distance. Do we really need a quick player that shoots a lot rather than passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 To me he's quite a good way of judging how fans watch the game. There are still a lot of fans who watch highlights, or just buy into short term media or one goal and really rate something. Struggle to see how anyone could watch Townsend consistently and rate him highly. Look at someone like Navas. He's 10 time the player, yet still has the tendency to lose the ball by running at people. A good option, but City and Spain usually don't start him as they have players who'll keep the ball more. And that's something 10 times better than Townsend. Sterling still loses it too much, he'd struggle to get near teams better than England, has a lot to learn. BUT he remains a goal threat and does enough to make up for losing possession a reasonably chunk of the time. Townsend has had 10 clubs with good reason. All he's done is run at some very poor international defences and hit one good shot. That is it. When we were linked with him my Spurs supporting friend laughed, then realised they'd rejected the bid, and the laughter stopped. Yup, I've got a fair few Spurs supporting friends & colleagues having grown up and working in London. Not one of them rates him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Hopefully koeman can see that his end product needs work and can coach it in to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 £10m + and have to coach an end product, something wrong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 I hope we don't sign Townsend. If he was from Belarus, people would say he's gash. Not the kind of player we need imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 £10m + and have to coach an end product, something wrong here. like we have to teach long to score goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 (edited) To me he's quite a good way of judging how fans watch the game. There are still a lot of fans who watch highlights, or just buy into short term media or one goal and really rate something. Struggle to see how anyone could watch Townsend consistently and rate him highly. Look at someone like Navas. He's 10 time the player, yet still has the tendency to lose the ball by running at people. A good option, but City and Spain usually don't start him as they have players who'll keep the ball more. And that's something 10 times better than Townsend. Sterling still loses it too much, he'd struggle to get near teams better than England, has a lot to learn. BUT he remains a goal threat and does enough to make up for losing possession a reasonably chunk of the time. Townsend has had 10 clubs with good reason. All he's done is run at some very poor international defences and hit one good shot. That is it. When we were linked with him my Spurs supporting friend laughed, then realised they'd rejected the bid, and the laughter stopped. Exactly. Using your same patronising logic, guess you never actually set step into a stadium. Watching football live is nothing like watching it live on TV or beancounting goals. You don't get the same sense of urgency, panic and space opening up when a player decides to be direct and run at the opposition. Townsend is an extremely blunt instrument; but he puts defences on the back foot and we don't really an option like that. Other domestic players like Redmond and McManaman offer a similar threat, though don't seem to induce the same nervousness in defences. Just as I would have avoided Long, I would stay clear of Townsend at the price quoted; but I'll be less p i$$ed off with this deal -if it goes through- than with the Long one. Edited 20 August, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 There is a good reason that people don't rate Townsend. He's not very good. It's all well and good to judge footballers on highlights, and if that's what you want to do then so be it, but the guy has no end product. Nothing. Nadda. Zilch. He has two moves. 1. Run really fast to the byline and then punt the ball out attempting a cross or overhitting the cross. 2. Run really fast at goal and put it into row Z. Seriously, just no. A player that can run with the ball is actually quite unusual. We and in fact every team needs one. It unsettles defences and gains ground. He may need to improve his end product but then thats why he's not priced like Bale. People concentrate too much on what a player can't do. To build a team you need a mix of what players can do and be able to compensate for what they can't. We have plenty of good passers in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Townsend would be an exciting signing, who drives on with the ball at feet. We have no one like that now lallama has left. We are very short out wide. Even for 15 million, i would snap him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 A player that can run with the ball is actually quite unusual. We and in fact every team needs one. It unsettles defences and gains ground. He may need to improve his end product but then thats why he's not priced like Bale. People concentrate too much on what a player can't do. To build a team you need a mix of what players can do and be able to compensate for what they can't. We have plenty of good passers in the team. Top post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 That would be completely mental. Far rather Targett got games than a 33-year-old on four times as much money, who we know to be not good enough for the prem. Signing old has-beens as 'back-ups' is never a good idea, with the possible exception of goalkeepers. That is what the academy is for. Yes, apologies, I had completely forgotten about Targett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Batman Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 Rodriguez was our player who'd run with the ball and get in behind. He'd lose it a fair bit too, he'd miss chances and make the wrong choice. But he also scored a lot of goals. No-one is expecting perfection and any winger will lose the ball a bit because of the role they play. But I can't see Townsend changing much. If anyone can get something out of him, it'll be MP and I doubt they'll sell. He might have the odd burst of form, he has enough shots that surely a few have to go in sometime, but I'd far rather go for Redmond. Zaha is another one I wouldn't want. Really poor for Cardiff too last year. It's a tough signing though, when clearly what we're after is a squad option, not a starter. We won't be signing better than Tadic and Rodriguez for the wide roles. Do we need a winger? Probably. Do we need one as much as we need a better centre back? Not a chance. why did you come to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 August, 2014 Share Posted 20 August, 2014 interesting, Vickey to talksport, who is very knowledgable about south american players says that he thinks Rojo will struggle in the prem if he is playing CB in a back 4. but would do well at a left wing back/left side of a back 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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