hypochondriac Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 It isn't if you want to finish lower down. I want to maintain a challenge on 8th or above, and therefore I think PL experience is vital. We weren't challenging for 8th in our first season back were we? Well if you want to maintain a challenge for 8th or above I suggest you stop supporting saints. Won't be happening this season.
buctootim Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 It isn't if you want to finish lower down. I want to maintain a challenge on 8th or above, and therefore I think PL experience is vital. We weren't challenging for 8th in our first season back were we? The important thing is quality. Sure previous PL experience is an indication of that quality and an indicator of how a player might perform - but its far from being the only indicator. The German WC winning team with very little PL expericne would perform better than Hull presumably.
Saint_Ash Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I can. Yeah, especially if we're now in the mood to throw serious cash at players now.
angelman Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Well if you want to maintain a challenge for 8th or above I suggest you stop supporting saints. Won't be happening this season. My glass is half full old boy. Surprised your's hasn't over flowed yet what with the amount of crying into it that you have done. But we'll see, although I think 10th is more likely. The important thing is quality. Sure previous PL experience is an indication of that quality and an indicator of how a player might perform - but its far from being the only indicator. The German WC winning team with very little PL expericne would perform better than Hull presumably. Of course, but I am referring to the level of player that we can afford. I am not sure that we are going to drop £30m on a player and offer him £100k pw wages, so that excludes most of the German squad even if they were tempted here which of course they wouldn't.
SuperSAINT Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Defour leaves Porto. Bet that means they'll go for Clasie.
The9 Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I hope your Townsend news is true; I quite like him as a player! I have no time for him whatsoever, he's an easily-defended stepover merchant with no end product who runs in Jenas-esque straight lines. Shepherd him to the corner flag and get out of the way when he tries to bounce the ball off you for a corner. Or force him inside and let him shoot, you'll be fine 95% of the time. Then again, he may well be a better option than Isgrove at the moment.
Wade Garrett Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I have no time for him whatsoever, he's an easily-defended stepover merchant with no end product who runs in Jenas-esque straight lines. Shepherd him to the corner flag and get out of the way when he tries to bounce the ball off you for a corner. Or force him inside and let him shoot, you'll be fine 95% of the time. Then again, he may well be a better option than Isgrove at the moment. Couldn't disagree more.
Beckenham Saint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I have no time for him whatsoever, he's an easily-defended stepover merchant with no end product who runs in Jenas-esque straight lines. Shepherd him to the corner flag and get out of the way when he tries to bounce the ball off you for a corner. Or force him inside and let him shoot, you'll be fine 95% of the time. Then again, he may well be a better option than Isgrove at the moment. This!
iansums Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Couldn't disagree more. I agree. I am very surprised at some of the comments on here re. Townsend. Admittedly I have only seen him a handful of times for QPR and England but each time he has been outstanding.
Saint Charlie Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I have no time for him whatsoever, he's an easily-defended stepover merchant with no end product who runs in Jenas-esque straight lines. Shepherd him to the corner flag and get out of the way when he tries to bounce the ball off you for a corner. Or force him inside and let him shoot, you'll be fine 95% of the time. Then again, he may well be a better option than Isgrove at the moment. This. Obviously better than Isgrove but no tactical nous what so ever. Which is why Poch will ship him out.
positivepete Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/14/manchester-united-marcos-rojo-legal-row Rojo deal getting messy for Man U
Olallana Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Hit-and-miss Townsend? Just a worse version of Puncheon..
Beckenham Saint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Couldn't disagree more. As I said earlier in this thread (I think), he has no end product whatsoever. He hasn't been sent out on loan 9 times by accident. Any defender with any pace and who is willing to stay on their feet would love coming up against Townsend. He's exciting for fans when watching because he runs so fast and directly, but he also runs mindlessly. Apart from that, he brings nothing to the team. He's not a great crosser and he takes about 10 shots to find the target.
croydonsaint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 As I said earlier in this thread (I think), he has no end product whatsoever. He hasn't been sent out on loan 9 times by accident. Any defender with any pace and who is willing to stay on their feet would love coming up against Townsend. He's exciting for fans when watching because he runs so fast and directly, but he also runs mindlessly. Apart from that, he brings nothing to the team. He's not a great crosser and he takes about 10 shots to find the target. Good post Becks mind by Christmas it might be too late?
foxy9143 Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/14/manchester-united-marcos-rojo-legal-row Rojo deal getting messy for Man U Despite all the criticism he's been getting, it seems that Les Reed dodged a bullet on this transfer.
washsaint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 so the guy who spoke to LR in the car park was probably speaking the truth. Glad we gave up on this guy: more trouble than it's worth
Big Bad Bob Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/14/manchester-united-marcos-rojo-legal-row Rojo deal getting messy for Man U Holy Shi-ite Batman, looks like we dodged a right bullet on that one...
goneawol Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Ronald Koeman is after three years Feyenoord embarked on a new adventure at Southampton. In Heroes he looks back on the players with whom he worked in Rotterdam and who shone at the World Championships in Brazil. http://heldenonline.nl/rubrieken/uit-helden/koeman-ik-zou-vlaar-graag-bij-southampton-hebben
angelman Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Holy Shi-ite Batman, looks like we dodged a right bullet on that one... Mail running it as well: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724857/Marcos-Rojo-s-proposed-16m-transfer-Manchester-United-end-court-Luisao-pave-way-Arsenal-sign-8m-Kostas-Manolas.html We wasted far too much time on it, and glad we bailed a while back.
saint_ed Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Koeman wants Vlaar....again http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/08/14/5034087/-?
buctootim Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Koeman wants Vlaar....again http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/08/14/5034087/-? Koeman just seems to be very direct and honest when asked questions - he was being interviewed about players he rates so it doesn't necessarily follow we are looking to sign him.
Big Bad Bob Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Ronald Koeman is after three years Feyenoord embarked on a new adventure at Southampton. In Heroes he looks back on the players with whom he worked in Rotterdam and who shone at the World Championships in Brazil. http://heldenonline.nl/rubrieken/uit-helden/koeman-ik-zou-vlaar-graag-bij-southampton-hebben Koeman wants Vlaar....again http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/08/14/5034087/-? No, it's just a translation of that article that goneawol posted.
derry Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Koeman just seems to be very direct and honest when asked questions - he was being interviewed about players he rates so it doesn't necessarily follow we are looking to sign him. Lambert saying that he doesn't know if Vlaar will still be at Villa after Sept 1st but he is a good professional preparing for Sat game.
saint_ed Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 The Villa fans are raging on Twitter. They want Koeman fined haha. In fairness, given what we have had to experience from Liverpool and Spurs this season, I have sympathy for them.
Big Bad Bob Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 The Villa fans are raging on Twitter. They want Koeman fined haha. In fairness, given what we have had to experience from Liverpool and Spurs this season, I have sympathy for them. But we haven't put a bid in for him nor seem interested in him. Koeman just said "Ik zou hem er bij Southampton graag bij hebben..." Doesn't mean anything, if he said "I'd love to have Messi at Southampton..." would that be tapping Messi up, FFS
saint_ed Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 But we haven't put a bid in for him nor seem interested in him. Koeman just said "Ik zou hem er bij Southampton graag bij hebben..." Doesn't mean anything, if he said "I'd love to have Messi at Southampton..." would that be tapping Messi up, FFS Yes but given what's gone before he should have realised how the press will jump onto it. Clearly there is firm interest there.
Big Bad Bob Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Yes but given what's gone before he should have realised how the press will jump onto it. Clearly there is firm interest there. We don't know what was said after the ..., the Dutch press only printed that bit, it could have been :- "I'd love to have him at Southampton but he is not one of our targets and we haven't put a bid in for him" we just don't know.. Taken very much out of context. I guess this is why previous regimes never used to talk about transfer speculation.
Appy Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 The Villa fans are raging on Twitter. They want Koeman fined haha. In fairness, given what we have had to experience from Liverpool and Spurs this season, I have sympathy for them. They should stop crying.
saint_ed Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I have some, but there's no point stressing about it. We all know it happens, every level, every club. If we get angry about it, deep down we know it's hypocritical. Should be different, but it isn't. I mean come on, with all the agents, managers, owners being in touch all the time, there will always be informal chats. Absolutely. Not stressing in the slightest, just commenting on some responses from Villa fans.
Wade Garrett Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 As I said earlier in this thread (I think), he has no end product whatsoever. He hasn't been sent out on loan 9 times by accident. Any defender with any pace and who is willing to stay on their feet would love coming up against Townsend. He's exciting for fans when watching because he runs so fast and directly, but he also runs mindlessly. Apart from that, he brings nothing to the team. He's not a great crosser and he takes about 10 shots to find the target. Looks quality against international opposition.
EBS1980 Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 So what's still needed, right back and winger? Get Richards and Sinclair from City and job done.
John B Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Looks quality against international opposition. I agree with you Mr Garrett I would like to see him or possibly that guy from Brighton here I notice another of our ex Players who played in a similar position has just joined Nottm Forest
Killers Knee Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 IMO If we bag Vlaar, we'd be looking at top 8 again.
Smirking_Saint Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Mail running it as well: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724857/Marcos-Rojo-s-proposed-16m-transfer-Manchester-United-end-court-Luisao-pave-way-Arsenal-sign-8m-Kostas-Manolas.html We wasted far too much time on it, and glad we bailed a while back. So hang on, sporting have to pay 75% of any rejected bids ? Jesus christ why would you ever agree to that ?
Wade Garrett Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 So what's still needed, right back and winger? Get Richards and Sinclair from City and job done. Great shout there.
Saint Charlie Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Echo Journalist reckons we are probably done. Possibly a winger but more likely than not we are done.
Roger Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Echo Journalist reckons we are probably done. Possibly a winger but more likely than not we are done. We need right back cover and maybe winger.
ratio_decidendi Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I'm interested to know why the interest in Byram cooled down. Perhaps the asking fee just didn't make a purchase economically viable for the club, or maybe they'd rather wait till next transfer window? A lack of dedicated and adequate support for right back does leave us somewhat exposed.
Roger Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I think with the time that is left we will sign at least one more.
fanimal Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 With 5 out not counting Osvaldo and now 7 in I think we are done, christ we have to give all the new guys a chance to bed in and the old boys to get used to them!!!!!!
SuperSAINT Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 I'm interested to know why the interest in Byram cooled down. Perhaps the asking fee just didn't make a purchase economically viable for the club, or maybe they'd rather wait till next transfer window? A lack of dedicated and adequate support for right back does leave us somewhat exposed. It reminds me of last year when we bid for the Spanish right back Jesus Gamez but decided against it because of Chambers... Only this year we don't have a Chambers!
ART Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Echo Journalist reckons we are probably done. Possibly a winger but more likely than not we are done. Mail just posted that we're after a second central defender Phillip WOLLSCHEID http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2725140/Philipp-Wollscheid-Southampton-radar-Ronald-Koeman-looks-replace-Dejan-Lovren-Bayer-Leverkusen-star.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
EBS1980 Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Mail just posted that we're after a second central defender Phillip WOLLSCHEID http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2725140/Philipp-Wollscheid-Southampton-radar-Ronald-Koeman-looks-replace-Dejan-Lovren-Bayer-Leverkusen-star.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Supposed to be pretty good I thought.
JoeShmoe Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 If we did get Vlaar we'd be playing a 3-5-2 and a pretty decent one at that with depth
Olallana Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 If we did get Vlaar we'd be playing a 3-5-2 and a pretty decent one at that with depth If we played 3-5-2 we´re still one CB injury away from Yoshida/Hooiveld.... And why haven´t we practiced that at all in preseason games if that was an option...?
derry Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Supposed to be pretty good I thought. Looked very solid when he came on last Saturday.
sadoldgit Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Heard a guy from WBA saying how they are struggling to get a team out for the start of the season and about the problems they have had in bringing players in. Not just us then!
SaintRobbie Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Koeman wants Vlaar....again http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/08/14/5034087/-? Good good good. For me this is the most important summer signing we can get. Premier League experience, a leader, a Dutchman, another Centre Back (I welcome Gardos but we need x2 in my opinion). And, he's good and this would be a statement of intent by the club. Slightly more ruthlessly, taking Vlaar may commit Villa to the Championship. That's one less relegation place we need to worry about as a bottom half team this season. Vlaar - get Vlaar Koeman!
sadoldgit Posted 14 August, 2014 Posted 14 August, 2014 Good good good. For me this is the most important summer signing we can get. Premier League experience, a leader, a Dutchman, another Centre Back (I welcome Gardos but we need x2 in my opinion). And, he's good and this would be a statement of intent by the club. Slightly more ruthlessly, taking Vlaar may commit Villa to the Championship. That's one less relegation place we need to worry about as a bottom half team this season. Vlaar - get Vlaar Koeman! So you dont think the club have already provided a statement of intent brining in the two Koeman's, Sammy Lee and a number of (not cheap) players???
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