Whitey Grandad Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Corporation tax is a tax on profits not revenues or turnover. Yes, exactly. So how much profit have we/will we have made on Lambert, Lallana, Shaw and Lovren and possibly Chambers? I would be pretty certain that their book asset value is nothing like the amount we are supposed to be getting for them. Lovren for example, signed for £8.5m for 4 years so written down to £6.375 after one year and sold for a reported £20m at a profit of £13.625. Of course the profit/loss on trading players has to be included in the total company figures but the extra money that we receive from selling players for more than their book value is not all going to be available for replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Erwin Koeman was at Griffin Park this afternoon to watch Brentford vs Nice. Watching Timothée Kolodziejczak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagegsaint Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Erwin Koeman was at Griffin Park this afternoon to watch Brentford vs Nice. Watching Timothée Kolodziejczak? Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 (edited) Koeman last night said we were close to signing 'some' players. Seems we are to Celtic what Liverpool are to us as both Forster and Van Dijk were left out of their friendly last night Edited 26 July, 2014 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Erwin Koeman was at Griffin Park this afternoon to watch Brentford vs Nice. Watching Timothée Kolodziejczak? That's easy for you to say. By the way, do they charge per letter if you have a players name put on the back of your shirt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Apparently this was on the OS tonight and quickly taken off.... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 That's easy for you to say. By the way, do they charge per letter if you have a players name put on the back of your shirt? I'm sure our moron fans will have a hilarious nickname for him by the time he joins, something like Tim Kojak, so just get that to save cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Apparently this was on the OS tonight and quickly taken off.... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Someone also posted on twitter he was flying in for a medical tomorrow...who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 wasnt he a bit of a flop here before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 I'm sure our moron fans will have a hilarious nickname for him by the time he joins, something like Tim Kojak, so just get that to save cash. Don't forget "a song for...." Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Apparently this was on the OS tonight and quickly taken off.... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Good scoring (11) and assist (eight) record in Spain last year in only 31 matches. Yeah I know its an easy league.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Someone also posted on twitter he was flying in for a medical tomorrow...who knowsit doesnt sit well with me seeing our English team being sold and swopped for a load of foreign players I have never heard of. Of course if they do well I will be delighted, but it gave me a bit of pride that we were different having an English core Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Apparently this was on the OS tonight and quickly taken off.... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Looks like a paint edit in my eyes. Not sure why it is listed under 'Josh Relishing Villarreal match-up' or 'mexico' isn't capitalised. Someone with too much time on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 it doesnt sit well with me seeing our English team being sold and swopped for a load of foreign players I have never heard of. Of course if they do well I will be delighted, but it gave me a bit of pride that we were different having an English core Thats true - but once I realised that playing for the club that nurtured them from age 8 meant less to them than a pay rise it ceased to be important to me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 wasnt he a bit of a flop here before? At Spurs possiblly - did well at Ipswich I think - pretty decent record at Villareal where he is at the moment -funnily enough thats who the u18s play tomorrow :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Looks like a paint edit in my eyes. Not sure why it is listed under 'Josh Relishing Villarreal match-up' My thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Looks like a paint edit in my eyes. Not sure why it is listed under 'Josh Relishing Villarreal match-up' or 'mexico' isn't capitalised. Someone with too much time on their hands. Should be dos Santos as well - but I guess its was a draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 (edited) Looks like a paint edit in my eyes. Not sure why it is listed under 'Josh Relishing Villarreal match-up' or 'mexico' isn't capitalised. Someone with too much time on their hands. In his heyday, Glasgow used to be able to churn this stuff out in seconds. Edited 26 July, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Thats true - but once I realised that playing for the club that nurtured them from age 8 meant less to them than a pay rise it ceased to be important to me either. In one of my bed wetting moments a few weeks ago, I came to this same conclusion. As I said then, I "blame" MLT for this - we know it can be done, as he did it. Some, myself included, rather hope (and I am well aware that that is somewhat fanciful) that someone else might do the same thing. Like most supporters, if I was given the chance of playing professional football, there would only be one club I would want to play for in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 it doesnt sit well with me seeing our English team being sold and swopped for a load of foreign players I have never heard of. Of course if they do well I will be delighted, but it gave me a bit of pride that we were different having an English core yes I fully agree. When we played Man City at home my recollection is that we started with 7 English players and finished with 8 while they started with one English player and finished with none. Now it seems we are going in that direction - recruiting mercenaries from anywhere but England. It's a great shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 yes I fully agree. When we played Man City at home my recollection is that we started with 7 English players and finished with 8 while they started with one English player and finished with none. Now it seems we are going in that direction - recruiting mercenaries from anywhere but England. It's a great shame. -----------------DAVIS-------------------- CLYNE---TURNBULL---STEPHENS---TARGETT ------------CORKY---REED----------------- RODRIGUEZ-------JWP------------MCQUEEN ---------------GALLAGHER----------------- Don't think too many other Prem teams could put out a Starting XI of purely English players that could compete with that. And that's leaving out the likes of S.Davis and Isgrove for their Irishness and Welshness respectively. It's not a great team, but we have a lot of English players in our first team compared to teams that finished around us last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Of Mikey's team, realistically I can see 5 starting on a regular basis, if not more. Clyne, Targett, Cork, JWP plus another. JRod, well if we are going to be offered silly money.....Maybe we might have another English striker in by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 In one of my bed wetting moments a few weeks ago, I came to this same conclusion. As I said then, I "blame" MLT for this - we know it can be done, as he did it. Some, myself included, rather hope (and I am well aware that that is somewhat fanciful) that someone else might do the same thing. Like most supporters, if I was given the chance of playing professional football, there would only be one club I would want to play for in this country. I guess none of them being Saints fan's has a lot to do with it. I look forward to the day a Saints fan who started at the academy, stays with the club and excels in the first and tells all he is not available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 -----------------DAVIS-------------------- CLYNE---TURNBULL---STEPHENS---TARGETT ------------CORKY---REED----------------- RODRIGUEZ-------JWP------------MCQUEEN ---------------GALLAGHER----------------- Don't think too many other Prem teams could put out a Starting XI of purely English players that could compete with that. And that's leaving out the likes of S.Davis and Isgrove for their Irishness and Welshness respectively. It's not a great team, but we have a lot of English players in our first team compared to teams that finished around us last season. No it's not a great team,it's one that would struggle even in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 No it's not a great team,it's one that would struggle even in the Championship. But that's the nature of our league unfortunately - pretty much all of the players in the Prem that qualify as "World Class" aren't British. I implore you to put out a Starting XI of English players from another Prem team that would do better than that. The only one I can think of that might run them close is Villa, but they've only got so many English players in their team because of their good academy and the fact that their owner doesn't want them spending any money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 (edited) But that's the nature of our league unfortunately - pretty much all of the players in the Prem that qualify as "World Class" aren't British. I implore you to put out a Starting XI of English players from another Prem team that would do better than that. The only one I can think of that might run them close is Villa, but they've only got so many English players in their team because of their good academy and the fact that their owner doesn't want them spending any money. Leicester City's first XI is basically all English - would muller that team you put up. Stoke, palace, wham etc have pretty strong English spines. Edited 26 July, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Hmm... GK: Hamer RB: ?? LB: Konchesky CB: Moore, Upson CM: Hammond, James AM: Drinkwater, Taylor-Fletcher, Nugent ST: Vardy Wouldn't say they're any better myself. Only part of the team I think they're stronger on is Central Defence.. but maybe i'm splitting hairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Hmm... GK: Hamer RB: ?? LB: Konchesky CB: Moore, Upson CM: Hammond, James AM: Drinkwater, Taylor-Fletcher, Nugent ST: Vardy Wouldn't say they're any better myself. Only part of the team I think they're stronger on is Central Defence.. but maybe i'm splitting hairs. ours really isnt the nucleus of a side that could win the championship. we didnt when we had lallana and lambert in the side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Reading this forum is extremely draining, you can understand the frustration and the amount of negative/ panicked posts and threads. With a limit of 3 post per 24 hours for myself it's been needed to vent frustration if nothing else. Even the most positive poster can't hide the fact we're up **** creak without a paddle but some are just sticking to there thoughts they aired when NC left and predictions that have unfortunately been of the chart. Got a strong feeling Monday will be a massive eye opener, in fact the saying hold tight and enjoy the ride springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 (edited) Hmm... GK: Hamer RB: ?? LB: Konchesky CB: Moore, Upson CM: Hammond, James AM: Drinkwater, Taylor-Fletcher, Nugent ST: Vardy Wouldn't say they're any better myself. Only part of the team I think they're stronger on is Central Defence.. but maybe i'm splitting hairs. Throw in Wes Morgan, Albrighton etc and you have a pretty strong side. As others have said, not only have we lost the nucleus and spirit of the side that took us up the leagues but unless some of the academy products step up big time, it'll be hard to claim that we're beacons of hope for English football -quite apart from whether we'll be able to compete effectively. It's going to be quite a culture shock watching us next season. Edited 26 July, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Throw in Wes Morgan, Albrighton etc and you have a pretty strong side. As others have said, not only have we lost the nucleus and spirit of the side that took us up the leagues but unless some of the academy products step up big time, it'll be hard to claim that we're beacons of hope for English football -quite apart from whether we'll be able to compete effectively. It's going to be quite a culture shock watching us next season. Disqualified Morgan because he's a Jamaican international, forgot about Albrighton. The "nucleus" of our team will be replaced though. If we haven't signed players of a similar quality to Pelle and Tadic to replace those outgoing by September I will be worried, but we still have 5 weeks to make those signings, as well as the Jan window. Koeman probably has a good idea about where exactly we need to strengthen now, so i'm keen to see who we bring in. It's not like we don't have the money to replace those we've lost either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Disqualified Morgan because he's a Jamaican international, forgot about Albrighton. The "nucleus" of our team will be replaced though. If we haven't signed players of a similar quality to Pelle and Tadic to replace those outgoing by September I will be worried, but we still have 5 weeks to make those signings, as well as the Jan window. Koeman probably has a good idea about where exactly we need to strengthen now, so i'm keen to see who we bring in. It's not like we don't have the money to replace those we've lost either.. If we spread the 'replacing of players' to the January transfer window, we will be relegated before we even get there. I'm sure we'll get them, but we need to replace all we've lost and add some squad players before the end of THIS window, otherwise we are in severe danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Reading this forum is extremely draining, you can understand the frustration and the amount of negative/ panicked posts and threads. With a limit of 3 post per 24 hours for myself it's been needed to vent frustration if nothing else. Even the most positive poster can't hide the fact we're up **** creak without a paddle but some are just sticking to there thoughts they aired when NC left and predictions that have unfortunately been of the chart. Got a strong feeling Monday will be a massive eye opener, in fact the saying hold tight and enjoy the ride springs to mind Oh no, not another F5 day??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Surely there must be some new signings close? Can't believe we'd let Lovern and Chambers go and not have any sort of good news on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Reading this forum is extremely draining, you can understand the frustration and the amount of negative/ panicked posts and threads. With a limit of 3 post per 24 hours for myself it's been needed to vent frustration if nothing else. Even the most positive poster can't hide the fact we're up **** creak without a paddle but some are just sticking to there thoughts they aired when NC left and predictions that have unfortunately been of the chart. Got a strong feeling Monday will be a massive eye opener, in fact the saying hold tight and enjoy the ride springs to mind Meh, I consider myself a positive poster and I think we're just hitting the rapids along the river, but the river doesn't have a name yet. You have to get to the end to judge it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Surely there must be some new signings close? Can't believe we'd let Lovern and Chambers go and not have any sort of good news on the horizon. Trout, you would have thought that that was the way to do things, and I am glad that you have faith in the board to do it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Meh, I consider myself a positive poster and I think we're just hitting the rapids along the river, but the river doesn't have a name yet. You have to get to the end to judge it. We are up **** creek, but we do have a paddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 [/b] Oh no, not another F5 day??? Don't pretend that every day at the moment isn't an F5 day..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 We are up **** creek, but we do have a paddle. Liverpool have had a big accepted for the paddles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 New £9m bid for Forster. "Forster does expect the transfer to go through thids window" Southampton ready £9million bid for Celtic's England goalkeeper Fraser Forster http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-ready-9million-bid-celtics-3919628#ixzz38cHvNLGe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Forster will happen, and for one he is the keeper I've wanted for a while. Good player, experienced at the very highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 (edited) Man U fail with Hummels and now go for de Vrij http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-uniteds-chase-mats-hummels-3917815 Interesting that Man U rate their main cb target, a WC winner, at £16m. Puts £20m for Lovren in perspective. Edited 26 July, 2014 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinchesterSaint Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Dortmund said "no" - that's something we could learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Dortmund said "no" - that's something we could learn. Only works when the player is fine with staying put - that's something you could learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Only works when the player is fine with staying put - that's something you could learn Also helps if you're already playing for the 2nd biggest team in the country who have CL football... Dortmund are on a whole different level from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 I know it's somewhat verboten to be posting something on topic and/or non-suicidal but.... I saw today (and it might have been posted earlier) that all of Shakhtar Donetsk's South American players stayed behind after their friendly with Lyon last week and want a move. Would live Douglas Costa, Bernard, Ferreyra or Alex Teizeira (they can keep Fred though) - would all be cheap as it's not like the Ukrainian league exists anymore, wages would be high though. Would nicely reduce the problem of having to get players to gel if we just bought half of Shakhtar!! Anyway, I'm sure we'll end up with a good team, keep the faith, COYR, always look on the bright side of life etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 I know it's somewhat verboten to be posting something on topic and/or non-suicidal but.... I saw today (and it might have been posted earlier) that all of Shakhtar Donetsk's South American players stayed behind after their friendly with Lyon last week and want a move. Would live Douglas Costa, Bernard, Ferreyra or Alex Teizeira (they can keep Fred though) - would all be cheap as it's not like the Ukrainian league exists anymore, wages would be high though. Would nicely reduce the problem of having to get players to gel if we just bought half of Shakhtar!! Anyway, I'm sure we'll end up with a good team, keep the faith, COYR, always look on the bright side of life etc.... Douglas Costa is heavily linked with Arsenal. We could rip Burnley apart though... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 (edited) Not sure who specifically they guessed (wasn't listening until i heard Koeman) but Eric and Jan were apparently at Brentford yesterday to watch Nice play according to Sky Sports news (video of them). Take your pick my guess would be our old favourite Timothée Kolodziejczak who was at mistake for one of the goals http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/613/ Edited 27 July, 2014 by Convict Colony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 I know it's somewhat verboten to be posting something on topic and/or non-suicidal but.... I saw today (and it might have been posted earlier) that all of Shakhtar Donetsk's South American players stayed behind after their friendly with Lyon last week and want a move. Would live Douglas Costa, Bernard, Ferreyra or Alex Teizeira (they can keep Fred though) - would all be cheap as it's not like the Ukrainian league exists anymore, wages would be high though. Would nicely reduce the problem of having to get players to gel if we just bought half of Shakhtar!! Anyway, I'm sure we'll end up with a good team, keep the faith, COYR, always look on the bright side of life etc.... You mean " Blind Faith " ?? ( Good group in their day ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 Only works when the player is fine with staying put - that's something you could learn Fair point, but what happened to "if you want out, put it in writing " ?? Seems we have bent over backwards so as not to stop the player(s) losing any money in the move(s) Stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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