Patrick Bateman Posted 23 July, 2014 Posted 23 July, 2014 Not sure if there is a thread covering this, I couldn't see one ... One thing I really want the club to push for this year is a bloody decent cup run. FA or League cup, I don't care ... I'm still f**ked off that Pochettino & co decided to stuff it up against Sunderland. So this season, is it too much to ask for a decent cup run, then maybe a win and a couple of trips round Europe next season? 11th + a cup final : I would take that 8th + a cup win : Ecstatic and give the man a 10 year contract and a massive pay rise > I don't think that's unrealistic this season, if we bolster the defence (Forster, Van Dijk & Vlaar please).
TwoPints Posted 23 July, 2014 Posted 23 July, 2014 Yep, I'm thinking a little lower in the league (10th) and taking the cups seriously so we have a proper go at it this year.
Viking Warrior Posted 23 July, 2014 Posted 23 July, 2014 Patrick pooch only ****ed it up because he knew if he won the cup he would have to stay with saints . So he decided to put a weakened team out as he knew then he was going to spurs . In my humble opinion
sadoldgit Posted 23 July, 2014 Posted 23 July, 2014 Someone needs to have a word with Ron and tell he not to f*** about with the cups and take them seriously. Would be great if we drew Spuds in the FA Cup at home and did a "Hoddle" on them again.
ericofarabia Posted 23 July, 2014 Posted 23 July, 2014 There is some hope that he will indeed take Cup matches seriously as he has previously won Cup competitions in Holland, Portugal and Spain as a manager and 3times in Holland and once in Spain as a player.
Saint_Tony Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 We won't be in the top half this season so might as well do a Sunderland and go on a couple of cup runs and just avoid relegation
Turkish Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 I'd rather that we exited both cups early and concentrated on finishing 12th. We can then build for next season where we can aim for 7th again.
Wrensup Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 I'd rather that we exited both cups early and concentrated on finishing 12th. We can then build for next season where we can aim for 7th again. Ooooohhhhh.... you... you little rascal you!
Saxon Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Patrick pooch only ****ed it up because he knew if he won the cup he would have to stay with saints . So he decided to put a weakened team out as he knew then he was going to spurs . In my humble opinion Why would he have to stay? Just wondered what your reasoning was. I mean surely that would just have added to his plaudits and he'd be even more "hot property" for spuds? Look at Martinez with Wigan. I know they were relegated but do you think Everton would have hired him without that cup run/win?
Olallana Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 If the cup are so important for the fans I guess we can expect a 25k+ attendance in any eventual home tie then...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 If the cup are so important for the fans I guess we can expect a 25k+ attendance in any eventual home tie then... That all depends on which stands are open and which team we put out.
angelman Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 That all depends on which stands are open and which team we put out. Have we, since being back in PL, put out our strongest side for a cup game? I refuse to pay £45 to go and see a Saints XI be trashed by Chelsea. If the Club came out and actually showed some intent in the Cups, then I would be much more likely to go.
Golden Balls Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 I would take finishing 17th to win the FA Cup. Thing is, every place up the league you go is worth a lot of money. As is staying in the league of course. Therefore, we will once again see weakened teams out there until we get to a QF.
angelman Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Winning the FA Cup,is worth about £1.8m and each league place is worth something like £1.25m
OldNick Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 I'd rather that we exited both cups early and concentrated on finishing 12th. We can then build for next season where we can aim for 7th again. tell that to the players who didnt seem to care at Sunderland, they were lack lustre at best
notnowcato Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Zzzzzzz we had enough good chances to put Sunderland away in the cup last season.
Mowgli Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Saints team for the Sunderland cup game - Kelvin Davis ©, Nathaniel Clyne, Jos Hooiveld, Maya Yoshida, Luke Shaw, Victor Wanyama, Steven Davis, James Ward-Prowse (Morgan Schneiderlin 61), Adam Lallana (Sam McQueen 82), Guly do Prado (Jay Rodriguez 61), Rickie Lambert Sorry but that team could and should have beaten Sunderland who made NINE changes from their previous Premier League game. The second string centre back partnership was the main feaure of our so called weakened side but actually played alright on the day. It was the likes of Lambert and Lallana who were being called to question on the day (maybe their heads were already at Liverpool). I too would like to see a good cup run but I also recognise that this is also an opportunity to keep fringe players a bit happier. If you don't take that opportunity you will find it harder to secure a decent 'back up' in every position.
OldNick Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Saints team for the Sunderland cup game - Kelvin Davis ©, Nathaniel Clyne, Jos Hooiveld, Maya Yoshida, Luke Shaw, Victor Wanyama, Steven Davis, James Ward-Prowse (Morgan Schneiderlin 61), Adam Lallana (Sam McQueen 82), Guly do Prado (Jay Rodriguez 61), Rickie Lambert Sorry but that team could and should have beaten Sunderland who made NINE changes from their previous Premier League game. The second string centre back partnership was the main feaure of our so called weakened side but actually played alright on the day. It was the likes of Lambert and Lallana who were being called to question on the day (maybe their heads were already at Liverpool). I too would like to see a good cup run but I also recognise that this is also an opportunity to keep fringe players a bit happier. If you don't take that opportunity you will find it harder to secure a decent 'back up' in every position.the scary thing is that at present that is the backbone of our squad, adding in the 2 new players and taking out the 3 who have left. Dont panic we are told!!!
CB Fry Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 I'd rather that we exited both cups early and concentrated on finishing 12th. We can then build for next season where we can aim for 7th again. The atmosphere in the city was absolutely buzzing in the lead up to "Eighth Place Sunday" back in May. The street parties and celebrations as we sealed that league placing was unforgettable. I can't see how something like a Wembley semi or cup final could ever match that. All cups don't have any magic any more, but finishing eighth is just the most magical thing any fan can experience.
ericb Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Personally i think the cups get in the way of what should be our main ambition, talking about champions league football, aiming to finish 7th and having the honour of selling most of our squad to the teams above us. That's the kind of thing we all dreamt of as kids, i don't think i can put into words the pride and joy i felt at finishing within touching distance of the mighty manchester united and knowing i could watch our best players play for those great teams that we're so lucky to see at st mary's now we're in the premier league. Truly Sky are right, we are currently living the footballing dream
Griffo Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 I would take finishing 20th on 0 points and an FA Cup win.
SaintAndy14 Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 We won't be in the top half this season so might as well do a Sunderland and go on a couple of cup runs and just avoid relegation Would certainly make for a more exciting season than last season!
once_bitterne Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 We'll need to rest our first team players for the Cups in order to make sure we are best placed to achieve Kat's main goal of finishing 17th.
shurlock Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Boo hoo. The nostalgia porn brigade is out in force again.
Olallana Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 I would take finishing 20th on 0 points and an FA Cup win. Isn´t that like saying "I dont care about the club, as long as I myself can get a few good days out"...?
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Zzzzzzz we had enough good chances to put Sunderland away in the cup last season. Well, enough to maybe scrape a draw if you stretch things a bit.
Griffo Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Isn´t that like saying "I dont care about the club, as long as I myself can get a few good days out"...? If you say so.
OldNick Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 The atmosphere in the city was absolutely buzzing in the lead up to "Eighth Place Sunday" back in May. The street parties and celebrations as we sealed that league placing was unforgettable. I can't see how something like a Wembley semi or cup final could ever match that. All cups don't have any magic any more, but finishing eighth is just the most magical thing any fan can experience. I remember how Man u put out their best side in a Cup Final, they must have won. The theory that you get a safe mid-table position and win cup finals is great by me. To actually believe we would have got through all the games with the so called first 11 still takes a leap of faith...it is Saints we are talking about.
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 I remember how Man u put out their best side in a Cup Final, they must have won. The theory that you get a safe mid-table position and win cup finals is great by me. To actually believe we would have got through all the games with the so called first 11 still takes a leap of faith...it is Saints we are talking about. Man Utd reserves are stronger than most other club's first team. Playing your best team doesn't guarantee a win but it does improve your chances.
OldNick Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Man Utd reserves are stronger than most other club's first team. Playing your best team doesn't guarantee a win but it does improve your chances.think back Whitey, St Bobby
Fan The Flames Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Why would he have to stay? Just wondered what your reasoning was. I mean surely that would just have added to his plaudits and he'd be even more "hot property" for spuds? Look at Martinez with Wigan. I know they were relegated but do you think Everton would have hired him without that cup run/win? The reason doesn't make sense however I could be inclined to believe there was a Pooch-centered reason for not taking the cups seriously. I really do love the 'we wouldn't have beaten the top teams anyway' excuse for wanting to concentrate on the catching the top teams in the league.
jamesfp1 Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 We didn't go out against Sunderland because of the team Poch picked. We went out because Lambert missed an open goal from 6 inches out.
Baird of the land Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 I'm happy for the league cup to be used to field a more experimental team, giving youngsters experience and squad players valuable playing time. However i want us to take the FA Cup deadly seriously, just as we do the league.
OldNick Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 The reason doesn't make sense however I could be inclined to believe there was a Pooch-centered reason for not taking the cups seriously. I really do love the 'we wouldn't have beaten the top teams anyway' excuse for wanting to concentrate on the catching the top teams in the league.there is no doubt we could have beaten top teams in the cup, but also lesser teams could beat us, that is the beauty of the FA cup. Of course many believe we should have played our best side to get the best chance. Fair but when do the squad players get their games in to stay match fit? It is a problem. If you are safe then perhaps you can play weakened sides in the league, but when are you safe with such a thin squad as ours?
Batman Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 We didn't beat Sunderland with our best players Why on earth do people think we could have I don't know
buctootim Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 We didn't beat Sunderland with our best players Why on earth do people think we could have I don't know Because we were 8th and they were about 19th?
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 We didn't beat Sunderland with our best players Why on earth do people think we could have I don't know And Pochettino pretty much said they could bring games and take beach balls and towels onto the pitch.
TwoPints Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 We won't be in the top half this season Yes we will.
The9 Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Yes we will. Not with the current squad (though I am assuming Lovren won't stay) we won't. Now if we add the rumoured 5 signings, yeah, sure it's a possibility. But anything resembling a long term injury to Boruc at the moment and we're screwed anyway.
TwoPints Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Not with the current squad (though I am assuming Lovren won't stay) we won't. Now if we add the rumoured 5 signings, yeah, sure it's a possibility. But anything resembling a long term injury to Boruc at the moment and we're screwed anyway. I was talking slightly more realistically, that we will replace leavers at the very least. Guan seems to believe 4 or 5 players may be coming in. Even without them I can't see many of the poor teams that finished below us last season overtaking us. I would agree there is a chance that we will finish outside the top half but it's certainly not a given as the post I quoted seemed to suggest.
Mowgli Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 the scary thing is that at present that is the backbone of our squad, adding in the 2 new players and taking out the 3 who have left. Dont panic we are told!!! It's not brilliant. Of course as well as the new signings we have Cork, Boruc, Fonte, Gaston, Chambers and Gallagher who all offer something very useful to the first team squad. As RK says, by the time we face Liverpool we will have a very good squad. On a par with last season but with more depth IMO. Will miss Guly though - who I am gonig to put my pound on for 'last scorer' now....
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 We didn't go out against Sunderland because of the team Poch picked. We went out because Lambert missed an open goal from 6 inches out. And we might have scraped a replay.
BlakeySFC Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 Don't think this is the season for it, need to concentrate all our resources on staying in the league.
OldNick Posted 24 July, 2014 Posted 24 July, 2014 It's not brilliant. Of course as well as the new signings we have Cork, Boruc, Fonte, Gaston, Chambers and Gallagher who all offer something very useful to the first team squad. As RK says, by the time we face Liverpool we will have a very good squad. On a par with last season but with more depth IMO. Will miss Guly though - who I am gonig to put my pound on for 'last scorer' now....Gallagher may in the long run be a decent PL forward but from what i have seen I would want to need to rely on him to score even 5 goals to help us.
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