stpedro Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Have to say I've not been impressed with Caulker in the last two years. He was not helped by the coaches and the defenders around him, both unstable and constantly changing at Cardiff and QPR. He certainly has not progressed as he might have done since his time at Spurs - I think his concentration and awareness is currently questionable, but he should have the attributes to be a decent player. He certainly would have a lot to prove after the last two years, maybe with the calm head, leadership and experience of Fonte he could develop into a good player - he didn't learn much from experienced defenders at QPR however, though most of them were no longer good enough for the Premier league. Would be a risk but at least he would be used to the Premier league standard and should take less time to get used to the pace of the game etc, which can be difficult for foreign players at times who take time to settle into the new country, league etc
IMO Im ITK Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 PA Dugout Twitter confirming nearly a done deal. Didn't expect my first post to be on Steven Caulker but FWIW, working within our defence will be very different to the pressure QPR were under last year. Good signing.
angelman Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Excellent.....because I caught that complete **** of a moron that is Adrian Durham on the radio yesterday laughing that we were thinking of signing him after having been relegated twice in the last 2 seasons. If Durham think's he will be useless, I suspect that he'll turn out to be OK. I seem to remember him doing well at Cardiff but having a bad season last year.
Saints foreva Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 It's an OK signing if he's not going to be Alderweireld's replacement.
Woody00028 Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 I had a season ticket at Yeovil Town when he made his debut season on loan there. It was clear that even at 17 he was miles ahead of the standard (albeit league 1) and would go on to make something of himself. Sadly he has made abominable careers choices in joining two utter disasters of football clubs in Cardiff and QPR, so his stock has gone down somewhat. That being said he is still young enough that, with the right guidance, he can still be a good premier league defender. I think that if he's seen as initially a rotation/backup defender with the view to unlocking his long term potential, we'll have done well
stevy777_x Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Caulker is a right sided center back so appears to be back up for Fonte like Gardos was. Does anyone know if Van Dijk plays on the left Center back?
doddisalegend Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Well I really hope that's not it, or we don't now sign a 4th choice too. Still not sure what money we actually have to spend really. If its a loan for this season I imagine it's because the club has identified he has potential, but clearly hasn't reached it the last couple of seasons, if we can unlock that potential this season great we buy him up if not we have taken a chance with minimal outlay. Has similarities to the Bertrand deal last season to me.
SuperSAINT Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 The fact he was good as Swansea gives me confidence about him. Nearly everyone looked sh*t at QPR & Cardiff respectively. Very curious to know if we'd still want VvD after this though. VvD is target number one. Good news
Saint_Ash Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Decent signing, not a first team player yet and I hope we bring one in permanent. Lots of games to play and Caulker will learn something from koeman
IMO Im ITK Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Fonte, VVD, Caulker, Yoshida, Gardos would be more than sufficient depth. Would be very pleased with that.
eddie Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 I really don't know much about him, other than if there's one position on the pitch I can trust Koeman's judgement on, it's CB
Saint Pete Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Well I really hope that's not it, or we don't now sign a 4th choice too. Still not sure what money we actually have to spend really. You would think we still have quite a bit to spend on a defender going by how Les Reed said we were offering just as much as Spurs for Toby. So, you have to assume we still have the money to go for a 1st choice CB (e.g. VVD).
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/qoriroltb0wa8skbsyhyia/Show/Team-Focus-The-Centre-backs-Saints-Should-be-Targetting-to-Strengthen
Niemster Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 BBC and PA both reporting it will go through later today as a loan.
Saint_Abroad Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 I really don't know much about him, other than if there's one position on the pitch I can trust Koeman's judgement on, it's CB Good point.
Matthew Le God Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 We need a CB covering right back too. We have Cedric Soares and Cuco Martina as right backs.
Give it to Ron Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 We have Cedric Soares and Cuco Martina as right backs. Plus Mccarthy....and Yoshida has played right back.....
gammon cheeks Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Fonte, VVD, Caulker, Yoshida, Gardos would be more than sufficient depth. Would be very pleased with that. Yes that would be a good ....still think we need another DM and I still think we will get Elia back on the cheap.
Baird of the land Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 My only issue is the fact it is a loan. Just hope we have a secure option to purchase this time. Caulker's made a couple of bad moves but is still young and talented and British. Strange that QPR wouldn't have held out for a straight fee deal.
Give it to Ron Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 My only issue is the fact it is a loan. Just hope we have a secure option to purchase this time. Caulker's made a couple of bad moves but is still young and talented and British. Strange that QPR wouldn't have held out for a straight fee deal. I think its because we hold a good hand here for once - his stock has fallen a bit lately so not many willing to gamble that much money. We have a need he meets that in short term until Gardos is back or as cover for anyone of centre backs in cups. Experienced, big, strong decent in air and alongside Jose could rediscover form he had at Swansea and Spurs
Foxstone Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 VvD is target number one. Brilliant and this news from one of our known and respected ITK's... Just got to land him now... Come on Qarabag you can beat them! As for Caulker, I hope he proves all my previous posts about him being slow in pace and slow of thought wrong...
saint lard Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Would be a more than adequate squad player.......I expect possibly to more signings. Pulling out the stops for Virgil will be all important. I can see us having a superior squad than last season. Of course,that is imperative due to the demands of the coming season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 (edited) I know you can't prove everything with statistics, but I didn't think Caulker was that bad last season, in spite of the players he was playing with. So I went to Whoscored.com to have a look at how he has got on from their point of view. Here is his performance from the last season: 2014/15 (QPR): Fonte 46th (best player in the Prem overall) Stones 57th Caulker 59th Alderweireld 90th I think people are giving him quite a hard time in all honesty, and under Fonte's tutelage I think he may do a decent job for us, especially in a defence that gets shielded as well as ours. Edited 29 July, 2015 by Unbelievable Jeff
Sour Mash Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Decent signing. Bit of a strange one to do as a loan, but a million and one things behind these deals I guess.
UpweySaint Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Think we still need another, preferably VVD, but very happy with this.Always liked Caulker at spurs and thought he looked quality for team GB - as others have said he looked dross last year but then who wouldn't playing in QPR's chaotic backline!
St.Patrik Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 I remember when Straschan arrived and his first signing was Paul Williams from Coventry and if my memory servs me right everyone back then like what the f**k but he turned out to be an OK player for Saints - so Im keeping my positive hat on and says that this guy will be a good defender to have in the team.
alpine_saint Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Happy with this as a load with option to buy; gives him a chance to prove himself and dispel the bad memories of last season. Still want a marque signing as first choice partner for Jose.
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Happy with this as a load with option to buy; gives him a chance to prove himself and dispel the bad memories of last season. Still want a marque signing as first choice partner for Jose. But we were beaten to the hull bloke by West brom ffs!
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 By the way, I think people may be getting over-excited at how good VvD actually is...
beatlesaint Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Some people on here are so snobby "not good enough for us" etc etc He's coming in as back up for goodness sake, back up ! Lets give him a chance, if he learns off of Koeman and becomes a top notch player then everyone will forget the "not good enough" tag!
alpine_saint Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 By the way, I think people may be getting over-excited at how good VvD actually is... Well, he does play in Sweatlyland. But if the talents there, no-one better to knock the edges off than Koeman.
Foxstone Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Happy with this as a load with option to buy; gives him a chance to prove himself and dispel the bad memories of last season. Still want a marque signing as first choice partner for Jose. perhaps not necessarily a marque signing. I would be most happy with a centre back who is comfortable with the ball at his feet in a similar vein to Toby, and Van Dijk seems to have that quality. Caulker on the other hand, well I do hope he proves me wrong because I have never been overly impressed by him.
UpweySaint Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 But we were beaten to the hull bloke by West brom ffs! Oh come on give him that one, it's a fair comment and, probably, the sentiment most of us have.
Saint86 Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 You would think we still have quite a bit to spend on a defender going by how Les Reed said we were offering just as much as Spurs for Toby. So, you have to assume we still have the money to go for a 1st choice CB (e.g. VVD). I'd be careful in what Les Reed says following a cock up His word ain't worth much, or did I miss Lambert in the squad last season, or Clyne lining up for us in Holland?
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Oh come on give him that one, it's a fair comment and, probably, the sentiment most of us have. Only if we discount the pathetic strop from yesterday is it a fair comment...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 I'd be careful in what Les Reed says following a cock up His word ain't worth much, or did I miss Lambert in the squad last season, or Clyne lining up for us in Holland? I am still waiting on your NC legacy?
angelman Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 But we were beaten to the hull bloke by West brom ffs! Yeah, and Villa beat us to Berbatov. FFS
K,Billy's supersound Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Happy with Caulker. Imo i think he's a better player than Gardos and will get better under our coaching.
Viking Warrior Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 My only issue is the fact it is a loan. Just hope we have a secure option to purchase this time. Caulker's made a couple of bad moves but is still young and talented and British. Strange that QPR wouldn't have held out for a straight fee deal. Baird The only reason it is a loan . is to give hope to MOPO of signing him as a replacement next season Toby is looking for pastures new next season . You heard it here first
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Happy with Caulker. Imo i think he's a better player than Gardos and will get better under our coaching. This. Now for one more CB and we are almost done!
Give it to Ron Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Caulker buys us time as well as we can get VVD if still interested when Celtic go out
SuperSAINT Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Happy with Caulker. Imo i think he's a better player than Gardos and will get better under our coaching. Any other snippets K.Billy?
Saint Charlie Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Pretty Simple for me: If a replacement for Gardos - If a replacement for Toby - He is a decent defender, probably better than Gardos, but nowhere near Toby's level, and we aren't paying a transfer fee. He also has a lot to prove after two relegations.
SuperSAINT Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Caulker buys us time as well as we can get VVD if still interested when Celtic go out This is very true. Simon Peach's article mentions an option for permanent move with an £8m fee mentioned. Decent fee if he turns out to be a success.
stevewanyamasfcs Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Was just on SSN that we're paying a 1.3 mill loan fee and all of his wages
Webby Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Did we bid for him last season? He chose the money of QPR. Now he's delighted to join Saints.
SuperSAINT Posted 29 July, 2015 Posted 29 July, 2015 Southampton FC @SouthamptonFC CONFIRMED: #SaintsFC sign defender Steven Caulker on a season-long loan deal from @QPRFC.
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