supersonic Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Selling the clubs main assets and the spine of the team and then the prospect of replacing them with Danny Ings is seriously underwhelming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Selling the clubs main assets and the spine of the team and then the prospect of replacing them with Danny Ings is seriously underwhelming Very similar to what many said about Jay Rod. Give yourself a break until you see the goods pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 he's not short on info, it's what the club want us to hear that's all. If they didn't want us to know then he'd have been gagged by now. KBilly's your man. When he says something it's the dog's nuts. I thought they had the same source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 Very similar to what many said about Jay Rod. Give yourself a break until you see the goods pal I'd rather have a proven top level striker than one who's had a good championship season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 I'd rather have a proven top level striker than one who's had a good championship season So you think Jay Rod was a poor purchase then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 July, 2014 Share Posted 26 July, 2014 I'd rather have a proven top level striker than one who's had a good championship season We've clearly marked Pelle as our main striker, got Gallagher coming through as 3rd choice so Ings seems like a good fit to me - provided he can cut it at this level. Also has the added bonus of being young and English, and a Saints fan to top it off. For the right price I would be all for him tbh. Also, the last time we signed a proven top level striker he drained a lot of money from transfer and wages, and punched a team mate in the face. Don't think we'll be too keen to take a gamble like that again when we can develop somebody to potentially be of that quality anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 Also, the last time we signed a proven top level striker he drained a lot of money from transfer and wages, and punched a team mate in the face. Don't think we'll be too keen to take a gamble like that again when we can develop somebody to potentially be of that quality anyway. And whilst on the subject of that very "top level striker". I saw a report that we're meeting with Inter soon because they seem to want a loan deal with a purchase option but we favour an outright sale (who wouldn't) with which thay're not really in accord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 I don't really go with what some consider a proven striker. Look at the Tin man. He was proven. The Champ is a hard league and just because it is the second tier, it shouldn't just be dismissed. Worth remembering that pretty much ALL of our squad was unproven but managed the step up OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 And whilst on the subject of that very "top level striker". I saw a report that we're meeting with Inter soon because they seem to want a loan deal with a purchase option but we favour an outright sale (who wouldn't) with which thay're not really in accord. There are all sorts if tax and accounting reasons behind these deals. Sell him at a notional loss and we can offset it against profit on others. Spread the payments over several seasons and you can reduce your tax liabilities, that sort if thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 I'd rather have a proven top level striker than one who's had a good championship season Top level strikers, oddly, want to go to a top level club. The stikers clubs like Saints can sign are those who are good but have 'issues' like Osvaldo or are unproven at this level either because they come from the Championship or because they play in smaller leagues abroad. The onlu alternative is to go for a past it 30 something 'name' who has been dumped by his 'top level' club and is is looking for a last payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 Top level strikers, oddly, they want to go to a top level club. The stikers clubs like Saints can sign are those who are good but have 'issues' like Osvaldo or are unproven at this level either because they come from the Championship or because they play in smaller leagues abroad. The onlu alternative is to go for a past it 30 something 'name' who has been dumped by his 'top level' club and is is looking for a last payday. This is spot on as usual. The best thing about going for the unproven at this level type is that there is always the outside chance of identifying a Suarez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 We've clearly marked Pelle as our main striker, got Gallagher coming through as 3rd choice so Ings seems like a good fit to me - provided he can cut it at this level. Also has the added bonus of being young and English, and a Saints fan to top it off. For the right price I would be all for him tbh. Remind me again about the "added bonus of being young and English"? I guess you mean ripe to be sold to top English Club in 12 months for hefty profit after he has had half a good season in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 (edited) Remind me again about the "added bonus of being young and English"? As he is from the area he won't need time to settle as he already has roots in Hampshire. Edited 27 July, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 There are all sorts if tax and accounting reasons behind these deals. Sell him at a notional loss and we can offset it against profit on others. Spread the payments over several seasons and you can reduce your tax liabilities, that sort if thing. that's not really the point. Inter seem to be intent on test and try before you buy and we aren't interested in that at all seemingly. Thought it would be a good opportunity to shift him out as soon as possible myself. We aren't going to get major interest in the bloke you know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 I think Burnley are about to realise that all our money isn't reserved for them. They will have to make a final decision soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 I think Burnley are about to realise that all our money isn't reserved for them. They will have to make a final decision soon. in an age where teams cant stand in players way of moving to a bigger club or going 'home' what is the hold up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 in an age where teams cant stand in players way of moving to a bigger club or going 'home' what is the hold up? We probably haven't offered them mega money for a start due to his contract situation. Burnley have to make a decision on what is more important to them: their top goalscorer from last season whose goals might keep them up (stress on the 'might') or a decent fee now that they can use to invest. Difficult decision for them to make. I doubt Ings is making life difficult either. Worst case scenario he goes on a free next summer and has the pick of a few clubs that will be in for him and, as is likely with free transfers, gets a better financial deal as a result. Win/win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 27 July, 2014 Share Posted 27 July, 2014 I think Burnley are about to realise that all our money isn't reserved for them. They will have to make a final decision soon. Ohhh... Some spending on the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 28 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 28 July, 2014 my bladder has just gone mad, recent times tell me that Guan is just about to make an update! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 my bladder has just gone mad, recent times tell me that Guan is just about to make an update! I can't make any sense of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 28 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 28 July, 2014 mmm. I think Danny will probably be signing a new Burnley contract as we speak! Media have officially made it their business to destroy us this summer, with a little help from certain others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 mmm. I think Danny will probably be signing a new Burnley contract as we speak! Media have officially made it their business to destroy us this summer, with a little help from certain others On the contrary, we're about to inevitably overpay for him in transfer fee and wages as we'll be that desperate due to our awesome strategy of selling everyone and buying no-one *slow claps the Board* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 29 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Guan, is Ings a complete dead duck now or still half a chance? Still think with this kind of signing there is a small light at end of tunnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 I think Burnley are about to realise that all our money isn't reserved for them. They will have to make a final decision soon.obviously we are playing hardball re price. Luckily those Northern monkeys dont realsie we are short of players and will fall for it.We are the smartest of operators down south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Things have got so bad, i would now celebrate Ings signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Things have got so bad, i would now celebrate Ings signing Yes mate me too It's like being happy with tossing yourself off after your fit mrs has just dumped you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 obviously we are playing hardball re price. Luckily those Northern monkeys dont realsie we are short of players and will fall for it.We are the smartest of operators down south. Burnley seem to be taking the novel approach of refusing to sell until they have signed a replacement (they have been linked with Troy Deeney). In the meantime their approach to our bid since the start of the summer has seen us sell lots of our players and have (in theory) a massive transfer budget with further strengthens their position with respect to how desperate we are for the player and the money they know we have. A lesson for Les Reed? We can only hope he isn't too old to learn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 It kind of makes you worry when we can't even get this one over the line..... Trying to be confident and positive, but we're almost in august and this is the worst PL squad we've ever had as it stands. We need action..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 It kind of makes you worry when we can't even get this one over the line..... Trying to be confident and positive, but we're almost in august and this is the worst PL squad we've ever had as it stands. We need action..... be patient we couldnt get this deal done earlier as it is WC year, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 It kind of makes you worry when we can't even get this one over the line..... Trying to be confident and positive, but we're almost in august and this is the worst PL squad we've ever had as it stands. We need action..... Two and a bit weeks left till the first game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Two and a bit weeks left till the first game... 3 and a bit for me, the Liverpool game is a write off. Just another pre-season friendly for me. WBA at home is where it starts and matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 3 and a bit for me, the Liverpool game is a write off. Just another pre-season friendly for me. WBA at home is where it starts and matters. That's an odd way of looking at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 3 and a bit for me, the Liverpool game is a write off. Just another pre-season friendly for me. WBA at home is where it starts and matters. I got called all the names under the sun for saying exactly that the other day when the was still a straw of optimism to be clung to. Then again who cares, it's a football forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 That's an odd way of looking at it. We won't have all our signings in by then, it'll be a patched up team, and they'll beat us anyway. Not going to read anything into what happens up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 We won't have all our signings in by then, it'll be a patched up team, and they'll beat us anyway. Not going to read anything into what happens up there. Yeah but writing off the first game absolves the club of any blame when we lose. We knew when the first game was abd it's our own fault that we won't be anywhere near ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 3 and a bit for me, the Liverpool game is a write off. Just another pre-season friendly for me. WBA at home is where it starts and matters. Disagree. No matter how high the odds against you, every game in the PL can bring you points. We might need a bit of luck, but it's not inevitable that we won't get anything from the Liverpool game. Keep the faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Liverpool have signed a load of players too that need to gel. I would say they are under more pressure than us this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Interesting that all our players begged to leave to follow their dream, some of them in a very OTT way, yet Ings hasn't shown the slightest hint of doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Liverpool have signed a load of players too that need to gel. I would say they are under more pressure than us this season Liverpool have exactly the same side as they did at the start of last season don't they? Minus Suarez of course but he didn't start for 6 games. They have done what we should be doing, reinforcing roughly every sector. Except their owner doesn't count his coppers all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Interesting that all our players begged to leave to follow their dream, some of them in a very OTT way, yet Ings hasn't shown the slightest hint of doing that. Why would he do that, perhaps Liverpool are lining him up now that their efforts to sign Remy have been ditched, 'Arry thinks that's a bit dodgy because Remy has passed numerous medical tests in the last few years with no hitch whatsoever. Seemed to think someone they might want more than Remy really has become available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 One thing in our favour is we will be under no pressure since everyone and their dog will expect us to be bottom by Xmas I can just see Isgrove or McQueen or Targett having great starts and us getting bids for them in the transfer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Interesting that all our players begged to leave to follow their dream, some of them in a very OTT way, yet Ings hasn't shown the slightest hint of doing that. Our players have left for huge wages,Ings knows we will probably offer him less that what he gets at Burnley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Burnley seem to be taking the novel approach of refusing to sell until they have signed a replacement (they have been linked with Troy Deeney). In the meantime their approach to our bid since the start of the summer has seen us sell lots of our players and have (in theory) a massive transfer budget with further strengthens their position with respect to how desperate we are for the player and the money they know we have. A lesson for Les Reed? We can only hope he isn't too old to learn... And if they don't sell Ings they could be stuck with players they can't afford? Life is not that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 And if they don't sell Ings they could be stuck with players they can't afford? Life is not that simple. £7m on a Deeney doesn't put Burnley in a bad financial position whatsoever. They are lining up their targets and seeking to sell / buy as close to deals going the other way. I don't know why we find it so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 £7m on a Deeney doesn't put Burnley in a bad financial position whatsoever. They are lining up their targets and seeking to sell / buy as close to deals going the other way. I don't know why we find it so hard. Don't believe all you see and hear in the media. Most of them are playing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Don't believe all you see and hear in the media. Most of them are playing games. Are we playing games too? What game is it when we sell at least 5, likely 7, first teamers and only manage to replace them with a few signings two and a half weeks before the start of the season? Is it the 'I messed up whoops lol' game? I want to believe we know what we're doing but there is no precedent set that this Board can deliver in a transfer window, much less when we lose 70% of our starting outfield players. I'd dearly love to be proved wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Ings won't be sold unless Burnley have a replacement, and that replacement would most likely be Deeney who seems to be costing more than £8.5m So that's what it'll cost to get Ings, because Burnley would rather keep him than sell him. Besides, Ings doesn't want to leave, he wants to see out his contract. He won't be free next season because he'll be under 24. A tribunal will set the fee if the clubs can't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Ings won't be sold unless Burnley have a replacement, and that replacement would most likely be Deeney who seems to be costing more than £8.5m So that's what it'll cost to get Ings, because Burnley would rather keep him than sell him. Besides, Ings doesn't want to leave, he wants to see out his contract. He won't be free next season because he'll be under 24. A tribunal will set the fee if the clubs can't agree. Ok, thanks for the info. So, do you think we should sign Deeney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Ok, thanks for the info. So, do you think we should sign Deeney Yeah we should sign Deeney for £8.5 and sign Ings on a free next summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 People need to understand the situation with Ings has been going on for well over a month now. I sat in a meeting over a month ago when it was divulged that Ings at that point had two offers on the table, one from Liverpool and one from Saints. He obviously had decisions to make. What has made it harder for him is a very personal family matter that is making it difficult for him to decide where his future lies. The very personal family matter lies in Southampton where someone has come back recently and settled here. He is extremely close to this family member and if people understood whats going on there they would understand why he is having a hard time working out what to do. I have had no update since that meeting i was lucky enough to sit in and don't know what the current situation is.....but that is it for whats its worth as of just over a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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