Window Cleaner Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 I thought we had already turned down an offer of £20m? If we are now accepting 20m euros I think the board may have issues! We don't know what has been offered and how payment was proposed. We probably only got the originally proposed sums for Lallana and Shaw but the payment terms may have been better. More in advance and less adds-on. The press bandy sums about at will, people believe them, the buying club sizes down, the selling club sizes up. At the end of the day no-one really knows. Last years accounts may be revelatory on the sums paid for Wanyama and Lovren but I don't think anyone has really seen the detailed accounts.
CB Fry Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Core are basically the ones we have sold plus Schneiderlin who we still may sell and Jay Rod. The actions really don't match the quotes. Well, they do. We've shown plenty of intent to keep Lovren. If this was a fire sale he'd have been long gone. Schneiderlin we shall see but again, in a fire sale we'd have taken twelve million for him before the World Cup. You need to actually read what Les Reed actually said before deciding what you think he said and then getting upset.
Sour Mash Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Well given the content of Guan's latest "info" I didn't want to be too hard on the fans. Guan has really got to you this afternoon hasn't he.
Window Cleaner Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Guan has really got to you this afternoon hasn't he. Once again not really but he does seem to be mongering the club propaganda just now. I prefer K Billy myself, succinct and invariably right.
Wildgoose Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Well given the content of Guan's latest "info" I didn't want to be too hard on the fans. Can someone point me to where Guan made an update please? Or otherwise just let me know what he said? Thanks :0)
angelman Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 well at this moment in time it looks like KL is perhaps withdrawing some of her investment into the club. (Her prerogative) If it is the case is it sad that they are not being transparent and leading the fans along by saying the money will be reinvested as well as the 35m. Or how about this for a shock - owner of football club has novel idea to run it like any other business (ie not at huge and unsustainable losses). Frankly if that is not possible, then might as well pack up shop as the whole thing is broken. You are never going to have all the supporters on side unless the owner is spending millions and millions on players. Look at NUFC - they weren't particularly happy with Ashley (admittedly he did some damned weird things) even though he had put in over £200m of his own money. Personally, I think that she should take a dividend out of the club - does anyone know whether she does? Treat it like a business, that obviously will do better if your players are better, and get a divvy each year. And really, isn't it a little naive to think any company owner/board is going to be wholly transparent?
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Can someone point me to where Guan made an update please? Or otherwise just let me know what he said? Thanks :0) In summary, 'everyone stop being whining pussies and wait will you.'
Wildgoose Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 In summary, 'everyone stop being whining pussies and wait will you.' Haha! Okay thank you!
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 I'm sorry but whilst this is not unexpected, this situation is now a shambles.
Gemmel Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 To be fair I think most of us worked that one out when Lambert was sold for less than 4 million, let alone when Shaw and then Lallana went. Lovren, Morgan and then Rodriguez once fit to follow. Maybe then some of our dumb supporters will wake up to what is happening. So what is happening? ( For the benefit of us dumb fans)
Saint Charlie Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 So what is happening? ( For the benefit of us dumb fans) Our best players are being sold. Probably five. But its ok.
badgerx16 Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 (edited) Our best players are being sold. Probably five. But its ok. Liverpool and Manchester United have offered 3 of our players wages and fees that we would be unable to get anywhere near. Yes they were sold, but how on Earth were Saints to hang on to AL & LS and keep them sweet ? Would you rather we had refused to let them go and left something malignant gnawing at the spirit of the team ? Edited 20 July, 2014 by badgerx16
Donatello Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 A fair few of you are speaking as if it is/was the board's intention to sell our core, rather than acknowledging that half of our core have been complicit in forcing their way out.
Saint Charlie Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 I think its fine to be a stepping stone club, but you have to manage departures better. You cannot sell the number of good players we have without a detrimental effect. Im not paid to run the club and Im sure its difficult, but tell some of them they could go next year, or in January if needed. Its not selling the players thats the concern, its selling them all over the same summer that is mental. Koeman IMO has the hardest PL job. Good luck to him and a mid table finish would be a top effort.
sadoldgit Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Liverpool and Manchester United have offered 3 of our players wages and fees that we would be unable to get anywhere near. Yes they were sold, but how on Earth were Saints to hang on to AL & LS and keep them sweet ? Would you rather we had refused to let them go and left something malignant gnawing at the spirit of the team ? And yet some still cant get their head around this
niceandfriendly Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 I'm sorry but whilst this is not unexpected, this situation is now a shambles. Very much appreciate the apology there.
ART Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 If that is all we're accepting for Lovren (and I'd hope for at least a 25% sell on clause) then Koeman is beginning to sound like another Ralph Kruegar. I have a huge mistrust for the quotes from Dutchmen, both in business, friendships and football. Marc Wotte was a prime example and Korman doesn't come across any different. How are we to believe when 5 minutes after saying we'll only sell for a huge feel, Lovren goes for a July Sales Price.
Saint Charlie Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Koeman hasn't done anything other than say the right things since being here. Totally blameless about everything this summer.
Ajv2809 Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 If that is all we're accepting for Lovren (and I'd hope for at least a 25% sell on clause) then Koeman is beginning to sound like another Ralph Kruegar. I have a huge mistrust for the quotes from Dutchmen, both in business, friendships and football. Marc Wotte was a prime example and Korman doesn't come across any different. How are we to believe when 5 minutes after saying we'll only sell for a huge feel, Lovren goes for a July Sales Price. I don't post often, but you're a f**king idiot.
JxgrSaint Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 @alex_crook: Just had it confirmed Dejan Lovren is off to #lfc believe the fee is £16m up front rising to £20m @alex_crook: Lovren made it impossible for him to play for #saintsfc again with his 'head in #lfc' comments £20m is good return on last year's investment @alex_crook: Expecting Koeman to now make a formal offer for Ron Vlaar and increase his bid for Nathan Redmond #saintsfc @alex_crook: For those asking the indications I was given last week is that Steven Caulker isnt a #saintsfc target @alex_crook: #saintsfc have been resigned to losing Lovren since May. Just a case of squeezing out as much cash from the deal as they could The ver reliable and in the loop Alex Crook's take on things...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 to be fair, Lovrens barber said he was off months ago
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 What situation? And I infer that if we had no players anyone wanted, that stability wouldn't be a shambles? This situation does make you wonder what would have happened if we had just been OK last season instead of brilliantm
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Villa fans (after a quick scan of their forums) reckon they should not accept anything less than £15m for Vlaar and why shouldnt they
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Losing five or six of our best players isn't the athletico or Everton model.
rick1976.4.38 Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 the sooner he goes the better used us and is all that's ****e about the modern game his comment"my head is in Liverpool already" was the biggest insult to all of us cant wait for Liverpool aug 17 coys
JoeShmoe Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 A fair few of you are speaking as if it is/was the board's intention to sell our core, rather than acknowledging that half of our core have been complicit in forcing their way out. This, as I see it, save for Lambert, the board have tried their best to keep these players but you can't stop them wanting to go play for bigger clubs, in better competitions on a lot more money. Every one of you bed wetters would do the same What they do need to have done is realised which ones wanted away and been working on suitable replacements. They have done this with Tadic and Pelle and likely see Targett as Shaws replacement. They have known Lovren wanted away since may so I do hope they have a decent CB lined up ( or several) since we cannot go into the season with Fonte, Yoshida and Jos as the CB's To get 50m for lambert, Lallana and Lovren is truly pulling Liverpool's pants down, make no mistake
S-Clarke Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Losing five or six of our best players isn't the athletico or Everton model. We haven't lost 5 or 6 players? We've lost 3, looking like 4. Atheltico lost Courtois, Costa and Luis - Koke is also the next off according to rumours. Big clubs circling the so called smaller clubs. Victims of our success, same with Feyernord. Welcome to football.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 If that is all we're accepting for Lovren (and I'd hope for at least a 25% sell on clause) then Koeman is beginning to sound like another Ralph Kruegar. I have a huge mistrust for the quotes from Dutchmen, both in business, friendships and football. Marc Wotte was a prime example and Korman doesn't come across any different. How are we to believe when 5 minutes after saying we'll only sell for a huge feel, Lovren goes for a July Sales Price. Hilarious piece that, a true laugh out loud line..
sadoldgit Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Losing five or six of our best players isn't the athletico or Everton model. Chill. We have lost THREE players and signed TWO. If and when other players go worry about it if and when it happens.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Villa fans (after a quick scan of their forums) reckon they should not accept anything less than £15m for Vlaar and why shouldnt they Do the forums dictate the selling prices at villa park then..?
Plastic Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 We haven't lost 5 or 6 players? We've lost 3, looking like 4. Atheltico lost Courtois, Costa and Luis - Koke is also the next off according to rumours. Big clubs circling the so called smaller clubs. Victims of our success, same with Feyernord. Welcome to football. Totally agree. May as well try to enjoy it, we have a couple of exciting new players, hopefully more will join them.
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Atletico have lost loads. Not many sides have such a good settled side in their second season up. If we'd been average and taken 5 or 6 years to come 8th, we'd probably have lost 1/2 a season at most. You can argue all day about that, but it's only the reaction to it and how you move forward that counts for anything. using another team that is getting ripped to shreds is hardly a good example I should imagine their fans are equally fuked off the best comparisons would be that in England. What we are seeing seemingly done (and the players being open about it) is unprecedented IMO
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Chill. We have lost THREE players and signed TWO. If and when other players go worry about it if and when it happens. I'd rather not stick my head in the sand and pretend that lovren isn't leaving.
kpturner Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 If that is all we're accepting for Lovren (and I'd hope for at least a 25% sell on clause) then Koeman is beginning to sound like another Ralph Kruegar. I have a huge mistrust for the quotes from Dutchmen, both in business, friendships and football. Marc Wotte was a prime example and Korman doesn't come across any different. How are we to believe when 5 minutes after saying we'll only sell for a huge feel, Lovren goes for a July Sales Price. You do write some of the oddest posts I have seen on this forum - and that's saying something.
JoeShmoe Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 If Barkley and Stones have good seasons for Everton, who thinks they will keep them. If Eriksen has a great season for Spurs who thinks they will keep him, if De Jong is great for Newcastle etc etc etc. football had a hierarchy with only 3 or 4 teams at the top, get used to it until football brings in a salary cap
Lighthouse Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 I'd rather not stick my head in the sand and pretend that lovren isn't leaving. But you will stick your head in the sand and pretend replacements aren't coming.
Sour Mash Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 @alex_crook: Just had it confirmed Dejan Lovren is off to #lfc believe the fee is £16m up front rising to £20m @alex_crook: Lovren made it impossible for him to play for #saintsfc again with his 'head in #lfc' comments £20m is good return on last year's investment @alex_crook: Expecting Koeman to now make a formal offer for Ron Vlaar and increase his bid for Nathan Redmond #saintsfc @alex_crook: For those asking the indications I was given last week is that Steven Caulker isnt a #saintsfc target @alex_crook: #saintsfc have been resigned to losing Lovren since May. Just a case of squeezing out as much cash from the deal as they could The ver reliable and in the loop Alex Crook's take on things... Crook is pretty much spot on re Lovren - for all the faffing about on here, it seems most have forgotten who is to play - Dejan Lovren. He made his place in our squad untenable, significantly weakened our position in negotiations, the bloke is an utter c**t, simple as.
kpturner Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 well at this moment in time it looks like KL is perhaps withdrawing some of her investment into the club. (Her prerogative) If it is the case is it sad that they are not being transparent and leading the fans along by saying the money will be reinvested as well as the 35m. What on earth leads you to that dubious conclusion?
Sour Mash Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 We haven't lost 5 or 6 players? We've lost 3, looking like 4. Atheltico lost Courtois, Costa and Luis - Koke is also the next off according to rumours. Big clubs circling the so called smaller clubs. Victims of our success, same with Feyernord. Welcome to football. Exactly that I'm afraid. The grown up view of the world will confuse some on here I'm afraid.
Sour Mash Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 the sooner he goes the better used us and is all that's ****e about the modern game his comment"my head is in Liverpool already" was the biggest insult to all of us cant wait for Liverpool aug 17 coys Too right mate. He'll be getting both barrels along with Lallana on the 17th.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Lovren was in 90 degrees as of 730pm tonight Only another 90 degrees & he will have done a u-turn...
Tom Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 Only another 90 degrees & he will have done a u-turn... I stared at him with intent. I like to think of myself as a kind of hard man, you see. Im not.
Bearsy Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 I stared at him with intent. Watch yourself dude, you'll end up getting a nudie lapdance like luka modric
Millbrook Saint Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 still think allowing him to go is a bad move, any agent looking at this will now just tell the player to throw a similar tantrum and we'll end up selling. He should have been made an example of, make him stay till at least next year, if he sulks make him train on his own. I know we're makingh best of a bad situation but this one sale has firmly placed all the power in the players' hands
beatlesaint Posted 20 July, 2014 Posted 20 July, 2014 I look forward to his heartfelt goodbye letter in The Echo by the end of the week.
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