angelman Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Liverpool are absolutely complicit. Is any recourse possible, likely, desired?
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Is anyone going to watch the inevitably televised Liverpool-Saints game? Not sure I'll be able to face it. I'll be there, I hope. To watch the brilliant last minute own goal by either Lallana or Lovren to gift us a 1-0 win. That would be pure theatre.
Viking Warrior Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 I'm getting well hacked off with mr crook . Are the star and mirror part of the same news group or is he just a cock that would sell his wife to get a story printed in one if the red tops .
pangy Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Is anyone going to watch the inevitably televised Liverpool-Saints game? Not sure I'll be able to face it. I will never want Southampton to win a game so bad as our first game at Anfield,if we can turn them over it would be the stuff of dreams
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 I'm getting well hacked off with mr crook . Are the star and mirror part of the same news group or is he just a cock that would sell his wife to get a story printed in one if the red tops . He just browses this forum all day. I imagine there will be an ''EXCLUSIVE'' story shortly regarding the imminent transfer of Tadic.
stevegrant Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Is any recourse possible, likely, desired? No chance. The "tapping up" rules that have been in place for years are an utter waste of time. I'm not sure any club has ever actually been properly sanctioned, even in cases where it was so obvious it had been going on.
angelman Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 No chance. The "tapping up" rules that have been in place for years are an utter waste of time. I'm not sure any club has ever actually been properly sanctioned, even in cases where it was so obvious it had been going on. I guess it's just wishful thinking. Doing anything to L'pool won't be good for Brand Premier League so nothing will happen. One might hope that a journalist with any integrity (I am not sure if that is an oxymoron or not) might do an article on Saints this closed season. But then, if they did that, they would probably have too much to lose. Oh well. Onwards and upwards.
angelman Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9373598/transfer-news-dejan-lovren-criticises-southampton-over-liverpool-snub Some of the comments are refreshing.
Rasiak-9- Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 At least it's clear why Cortese jumped ship, he sold a bunch a players his pipe-dream and got the hell out before the inevitable happened, I expect he left a big ****ing debt for the current board to clear up as well. What are we basing this on? Or is this just another "well it sure would explain a lot" type post.
RonManager Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Redblooded Male • 7 hours ago BR will have spent £50m on 3 Southampton players! The good ones don't wanna come, & the overpriced mediocre ones are busting a gut to come. This sucks! lifted from http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/07/lovren-liverpool-target-show-respect-southampton/
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9373598/transfer-news-dejan-lovren-criticises-southampton-over-liverpool-snub Some of the comments are refreshing. Glad we are not the only ones thinking it He'd have been my captain this year, but after this get as much for him as we can I say
Pastor Patrón Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Not sure if it's been mentioned but DL has now unfollowed MLT on twitter. Don't think MLT is overly bothered: Matt Le Tissier @mattletiss7 2h For the record I have no problems with Sfc players wanting to move on in their careers but don't throw toys out the pram to force a move �� Details Matt Le Tissier @mattletiss7 2h “@dpereira73: @mattletiss7 because of you truthful comments about @DejanLovren05 he has now unfollowed you too!”~~~~haha I'm devastated ������ Details I really hope Le Tiss tears him a new one in the press. He's hugely respected in the game and it'd be great to see someone of his stature son the sh#t of Lovren and put him in his place. It's insane the amount of support le Tiss has given us over the years
melmacian_saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Ok so basically he'll be off in a week for less than 20 million. But hey never mind, there's a whole Eredivisie team of the year waiting for Ronnie's call.
Jonnyboy Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Redblooded Male • 7 hours ago BR will have spent £50m on 3 Southampton players! The good ones don't wanna come, & the overpriced mediocre ones are busting a gut to come. This sucks! lifted from http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/07/lovren-liverpool-target-show-respect-southampton/ More like nearly £40m.
Killers Knee Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 If he wants CL football so badly then sell him to Shatkar Donetsk.
SaintRichmond Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Glad we are not the only ones thinking it He'd have been my captain this year, but after this get as much for him as we can I say Why is everybody ignoring the reasons why he even thought about baling out !!! He said: "I signed because the club had great ambition. Cortese and Pochettino convinced me to sign, gave me assurances about the project and incredible confidence, but when the chairman left and Pochettino was going too, as early as April, I realised things had fallen apart. "Honestly, I don’t know who the main man at the club is anymore. I’d gladly stay at Southampton if the club had any ambitions and if they kept the key players – not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me if they had done that." That's the worrying thing. Goes completely right against Reed's waffle. It matters not WHO they go to. The fact is the players WANT to go, to any Club with Ambition
Goatboy Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Why is everybody ignoring the reasons why he even thought about baling out !!! He said: "I signed because the club had great ambition. Cortese and Pochettino convinced me to sign, gave me assurances about the project and incredible confidence, but when the chairman left and Pochettino was going too, as early as April, I realised things had fallen apart. "Honestly, I don’t know who the main man at the club is anymore. I’d gladly stay at Southampton if the club had any ambitions and if they kept the key players – not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me if they had done that." That's the worrying thing. Goes completely right against Reed's waffle. It matters not WHO they go to. The fact is the players WANT to go, to any Club with Ambition That can triple their wages.
doddisalegend Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Is anyone going to watch the inevitably televised Liverpool-Saints game? Not sure I'll be able to face it. I'm living in hope that we will have new manager syndrome on our side and destroy Liverpool in their own backyard (before losing meekly to West Brom at home). At the rate Liverpool are signing players they will have more new players than us which, people keep telling me on here, will destroy their team morale and mean they will need time to gel:D
a1ex2001 Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Why is everybody ignoring the reasons why he even thought about baling out !!! He said: "I signed because the club had great ambition. Cortese and Pochettino convinced me to sign, gave me assurances about the project and incredible confidence, but when the chairman left and Pochettino was going too, as early as April, I realised things had fallen apart. "Honestly, I don’t know who the main man at the club is anymore. I’d gladly stay at Southampton if the club had any ambitions and if they kept the key players – not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me if they had done that." That's the worrying thing. Goes completely right against Reed's waffle. It matters not WHO they go to. The fact is the players WANT to go, to any Club with Ambition He's just using that load of waffle as an excuse get handed in a transfer request before any of the deals went through. Turns out he is just another greedy tosser.
CB Fry Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Why is everybody ignoring the reasons why he even thought about baling out !!! He said: "I signed because the club had great ambition. Cortese and Pochettino convinced me to sign, gave me assurances about the project and incredible confidence, but when the chairman left and Pochettino was going too, as early as April, I realised things had fallen apart. "Honestly, I don’t know who the main man at the club is anymore. I’d gladly stay at Southampton if the club had any ambitions and if they kept the key players – not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me if they had done that." That's the worrying thing. Goes completely right against Reed's waffle. It matters not WHO they go to. The fact is the players WANT to go, to any Club with Ambition So if Burnley stated an ambition to be Champions league, Lovren would be desperate for a move there then?
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 I'm getting well hacked off with mr crook . Are the star and mirror part of the same news group or is he just a cock that would sell his wife to get a story printed in one if the red tops . Again you fall hook line and sinker into "shoot the messenger mode". You do it every time without ever bothering to check the messenger's credentials. You are so bleeding predictable. Crook is a local Hampshire based journalist who does have good Southampton sources. A friend of mine who is a big saints fan and an ex journalist who you would have heard of, rates him. There is a lot of s+it out there I grant you but you need to be a little less scatter gunned in your attempts to be one of the forum bandwagon jumpers.
trousers Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 (edited) Again you fall hook line and sinker into "shoot the messenger mode". You do it every time without ever bothering to check the messenger's credentials. You are so bleeding predictable. Crook is a local Hampshire based journalist who does have good Southampton sources. A friend of mine who is a big saints fan and an ex journalist who you would have heard of, rates him. There is a lot of s+it out there I grant you but you need to be a little less scatter gunned in your attempts to be one of the forum bandwagon jumpers. The 'problem' with a journo like Crook is that its nigh on impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff. I've no doubt he has decent sources and comes up with some genuine exclusives every now and then but I've lost count of the number of times he tweets 'breaking news' hours or days after I've read it on here and then posts a "I told you so" tweet days later if the 'scoop' comes to fruition. (usually closely followed by a 'pat on the back' tweet by his chum Mr Allen.... say no more.... ) And, to be fair, its not just Crook that does this - there's a lot of journos that operate in the same manner. Anyway, we digress... Edited 7 July, 2014 by trousers
iansums Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Again you fall hook line and sinker into "shoot the messenger mode". You do it every time without ever bothering to check the messenger's credentials. You are so bleeding predictable. Crook is a local Hampshire based journalist who does have good Southampton sources. A friend of mine who is a big saints fan and an ex journalist who you would have heard of, rates him. There is a lot of s+it out there I grant you but you need to be a little less scatter gunned in your attempts to be one of the forum bandwagon jumpers. Yeah it's funny how journalists stick together, probably because they are all c*nts.
SaintRichmond Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 So if Burnley stated an ambition to be Champions league, Lovren would be desperate for a move there then? No comment as to why you think Lovren made that statement then ?? I didn't make it C.B Lovren did. One of our Players Why do you think he said it ?? Just to waste his breath ?? Or because he was stating the truth about what SFC's (lack) of Future "Ambition" is ??
a1ex2001 Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 No comment as to why you think Lovren made that statement then ?? I didn't make it C.B Lovren did. One of our Players Why do you think he said it ?? Just to waste his breath ?? Or because he was stating the truth about what SFC's (lack) of Future "Ambition" is ?? Because he wants out and it sounds a lot better than 'I want to go to Liverpool for mega bucks ok, thanks, bye.' Nobody except some deluded fans really swallowed the champions league thing the players all know how football works the problem we have is too many players have peaked at once had a good season and now want to line their pockets with huge amounts of cash and we can't really blame them. I'd quit my job tomorrow if anyone offered to double my salary and if it came with better opportunities that would just be a bonus footballers are no different. Lovren wants out for money and champs league football he would have gone any time Liverpool came knocking don't be sucked in by his PR job designed to force a move without upsetting people.
Wes Tender Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 No comment as to why you think Lovren made that statement then ?? I didn't make it C.B Lovren did. One of our Players Why do you think he said it ?? Just to waste his breath ?? Or because he was stating the truth about what SFC's (lack) of Future "Ambition" is ?? He said it in a vain effort to provide an excuse for his disgraceful behaviour and as a reason for him wanting to leave. It really must be bad when the fans of the club he wishes to join condemn it as unacceptable. But as anybody with any sense believes, he wants to move purely for greed. All of this guff about the club lacking ambition and he doesn't even have the decency to sit down with Reed and Koeman and discuss what the club's ambitions are. He appears not to have noticed that apart from upgrading our manager, we also have bids in for players who are at least the equal of, or better than those who have left. And if we get Armero to replace him, (or either of the Costa Rica CBs) then that would suit me fine. If we don't want to let him rot in the reserves, then we should make a deliberate ploy of selling him to a European club, definitely not Liverpool. Perhaps he would be better off going back to Croatia.
Saint Paul C Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Thinking about this situation with Lovren, I'd be inclined to make him aware of his contractual responsibilities to the club and that he signed a 4 year commitment to us for the provision of his services to perform a specific function for that duration. If he's not willing to do that then I'd place him on gardening leave to cool off and discuss with his legal advisors. Once he's realised that Southampton FC hold all of the cards needed to win the case we'd then be willing to discuss next steps. However, if he takes the path of conflict with the club I'm of the opinion that writing off £8m to prove our point is a cost worth taking because it will be a once-off situation. Obviously, no wages are paid for non performance if contracted duties due to refusal to work. This is a game of brinkmanship I'd be happy to play this time around.
CB Fry Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 No comment as to why you think Lovren made that statement then ?? I didn't make it C.B Lovren did. One of our Players Why do you think he said it ?? Just to waste his breath ?? Or because he was stating the truth about what SFC's (lack) of Future "Ambition" is ?? Only a complete moron can't understand what Lovren is trying to achieve. Thankfully, as has been proved plenty of times, you are that moron.
SaintRichmond Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Because he wants out and it sounds a lot better than 'I want to go to Liverpool for mega bucks ok, thanks, bye.' Nobody except some deluded fans really swallowed the champions league thing the players all know how football works the problem we have is too many players have peaked at once had a good season and now want to line their pockets with huge amounts of cash and we can't really blame them. I'd quit my job tomorrow if anyone offered to double my salary and if it came with better opportunities that would just be a bonus footballers are no different. Lovren wants out for money and champs league football he would have gone any time Liverpool came knocking don't be sucked in by his PR job designed to force a move without upsetting people. Fair points But the point I was trying to make ( and obviously failed to ) is that irrespective of whatever monies the Players can make elsewhere, they are stating that, in their opinion, SFC no longer has any real Ambition IMHO, Katharinas "Ambition" is nothing like what her Fathers ambition was. Not Cortese's ambition, but Markus Leibherr's ambition THAT was what was sold to the Players, and that is what is no longer in place. Hence the massive dissatisfaction 4 or 5 Players leaving ONE Club in one transfer window is quite unprecedented If people cannot see that SFC is in big big trouble, then I suggest they go to Specsavers
UpweySaint Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 No comment as to why you think Lovren made that statement then ?? I didn't make it C.B Lovren did. One of our Players Why do you think he said it ?? Just to waste his breath ?? Or because he was stating the truth about what SFC's (lack) of Future "Ambition" is ?? Its an opinion from a man who has not even trained under the new coaching team yet or seen the type of player we are bringing in. B**locks to no ambition. Maybe we aren't saying we can bankroll our way into the champions league any more but we have appointed a top manager, invested heavily in player development and may yet make some decent signings. We are showing ambition but to do things our way - ie not the Pompey, QPR, City, Chelsea way (which we simply cannot, and should not, do). If, by the start of the new season, no decent signings have been made and none of the academy lads are looking like they might come good I will apologise whole-heartedly but, until then, I think Dejan is being an absolute tw*t.
Dellman Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Isn't Ralph the chairman known as a leadership authority? Hasn't he published a book on leadership? where is the club's leadership?
Goatboy Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Its an opinion from a man who has not even trained under the new coaching team yet or seen the type of player we are bringing in. B**locks to no ambition. Maybe we aren't saying we can bankroll our way into the champions league any more but we have appointed a top manager, invested heavily in player development and may yet make some decent signings. We are showing ambition but to do things our way - ie not the Pompey, QPR, City, Chelsea way (which we simply cannot, and should not, do). If, by the start of the new season, no decent signings have been made and none of the academy lads are looking like they might come good I will apologise whole-heartedly but, until then, I think Dejan is being an absolute tw*t. Good post
Patrick Bateman Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Why is everybody ignoring the reasons why he even thought about baling out !!! He said: "I signed because the club had great ambition. Cortese and Pochettino convinced me to sign, gave me assurances about the project and incredible confidence, but when the chairman left and Pochettino was going too, as early as April, I realised things had fallen apart. "Honestly, I don’t know who the main man at the club is anymore. I’d gladly stay at Southampton if the club had any ambitions and if they kept the key players – not even the Liverpool bid would have dissuaded me if they had done that." That's the worrying thing. Goes completely right against Reed's waffle. It matters not WHO they go to. The fact is the players WANT to go, to any Club with Ambition Yes Nicola. So a guy who has been on holiday since the start of May (the World Cup included obviously) and hasn't set foot back in the club since then, is really close to the pulse? It's just bullsh*t to get his move away to a club that can pay him more. A club "lacking ambition" wouldn't have got Koeman (and team) as Manager, be signing Tadic & Pelle (and others) and be demanding £25m for said centre back, who is contracted to the club.
pangy Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Its an opinion from a man who has not even trained under the new coaching team yet or seen the type of player we are bringing in. B**locks to no ambition. Maybe we aren't saying we can bankroll our way into the champions league any more but we have appointed a top manager, invested heavily in player development and may yet make some decent signings. We are showing ambition but to do things our way - ie not the Pompey, QPR, City, Chelsea way (which we simply cannot, and should not, do). If, by the start of the new season, no decent signings have been made and none of the academy lads are looking like they might come good I will apologise whole-heartedly but, until then, I think Dejan is being an absolute tw*t. This is it really We sold Shaw and Lambert but in reality they were no brainers,Lallana threw his toys out the pram The ambition is still there but is being applied differently,KL may be a billionaire but she would have to use a considerable amount of that personal fortune to gatecrash the top 4,look at Man City they have spent over £500mill and still struggle in the CL,I don't know anything about Tadic but reports are he is the real deal,a club with no ambition would bank all the transfer money and tell the manager he has to use the academy. We appointed Koeman who was also the fans choice,he has great pedigree in the game as player and manager,if we wanted to just survive we would of appointed your McKay's,Garcia's etc Everyone keeps saying the ambition has changed but nobody has actually come out and told us in what way? Reed has said the ambition is the same,we now have a extra £60mill to spend on top of what was already put aside if any and we look like buying a direct replacement for AL for 1/3 of what we sold him for. If Tadic is as good as people are saying and the signings we are linked with come off we will be a decent side again next season.
saint-crinny Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Love it that some on here are pointing at Lovren as some sort of truth warrior who would commit his future to Saints for life if only that ambition was still there. Wake up - he's seen people leave for big money new deals, he thinks he warrants one, lack of ambition is a nice excuse to use to leave us a year after we took a chance on him when his stock was dropping after a couple of poor seasons, rather than saying i want to earn loads more money - i think i'd respect him more if he just came out and said it. He's not been back to the club yet, but he already knows there is a lack of ambition - has he even spoken with Koeman? If he has, I can't imagine Koeman gave him the heads up that we were going to be bravely battling against relegation this year - he's clearly a top manager and an ambitious one at that, so i'm pretty sure he can sell a club's vision to a player, if they actually want to hear it. Lovren is a moron - gave it the Mr Southampton last year every week on Twitter, now it doesnt suit him anymore so he's disgracefully slagging off the club in the media to try and force our hand. Annoying as i'd love us to turn down Liverpool whatever the bid and force him to move abroad or stay, but unfortunately i think the money will talk. All we'll have is the hope that we wipe the smile of all the scouse faces on day one.
View From The Top Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Thinking about this situation with Lovren, I'd be inclined to make him aware of his contractual responsibilities to the club and that he signed a 4 year commitment to us for the provision of his services to perform a specific function for that duration. If he's not willing to do that then I'd place him on gardening leave to cool off and discuss with his legal advisors. Once he's realised that Southampton FC hold all of the cards needed to win the case we'd then be willing to discuss next steps. However, if he takes the path of conflict with the club I'm of the opinion that writing off £8m to prove our point is a cost worth taking because it will be a once-off situation. Obviously, no wages are paid for non performance if contracted duties due to refusal to work. This is a game of brinkmanship I'd be happy to play this time around. I agree. This the one case when I'd be happy for the club to play real hard ball with a player.
View From The Top Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Fair points But the point I was trying to make ( and obviously failed to ) is that irrespective of whatever monies the Players can make elsewhere, they are stating that, in their opinion, SFC no longer has any real Ambition IMHO, Katharinas "Ambition" is nothing like what her Fathers ambition was. Not Cortese's ambition, but Markus Leibherr's ambition THAT was what was sold to the Players, and that is what is no longer in place. Hence the massive dissatisfaction 4 or 5 Players leaving ONE Club in one transfer window is quite unprecedented If people cannot see that SFC is in big big trouble, then I suggest they go to Specsavers Can you please supply a quote from ML where he states his ambition was to see SFC in the UCL. Just one, just a little one. Or even a quote from NC, prior to MLs death where he says the ambition is for UCL football.. Again, just one, just a small one.
SaintRichmond Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Yes Nicola. So a guy who has been on holiday since the start of May (the World Cup included obviously) and hasn't set foot back in the club since then, is really close to the pulse? It's just bullsh*t to get his move away to a club that can pay him more. A club "lacking ambition" wouldn't have got Koeman (and team) as Manager, be signing Tadic & Pelle (and others) and be demanding £25m for said centre back, who is contracted to the club.[/QUOTE] A Club "With ambition" would not have had players queuing up to leave in the first place. Contracts ?? What are those. They don't bind a player for the duration of it. Only good for getting a Sale value
saintbob40 Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Les Reed in April 2014.....I thought at the time that we were sleep walking into disaster..... "As you know I am a member of the board and director of the Club and my responsibility is football.Currently I am responsible for transfers, I’m responsible for contract negotiations and all of those board level football matters that the Club is involved in.I work very, very closely with Mauricio [Pochettino]. We speak every day and sometimes for several hours in a day. We’re very close and talk a lot about all the matters that go on here. I think there’s a lot of misinformation out there that needs clearing up.The first point I’d like to make is that, with regards to Mauricio Pochettino’s contract negotiations, both Mauricio and myself – that (dealing with negotiations) is my role – are very happy with the way we are approaching it at the moment.Let’s clear it up because he (Pochettino) gets asked the same question every week. We talk every day. We are talking about everything to do with the future – planning, pre-season planning, the transfer strategy.No player will be brought into this club or leave without Mauricio and I discussing it and his agreement. We talk about that on a daily basis. We are planning for the future and for the long-term future.We would like to focus on the remaining games of this season and Mauricio has repeatedly said that and therefore we will pick up the details of any contract talks in the summer when the season is over. The second point I’d like to make, and I would like to re-emphasise that we’re happy with that; both myself and Mauricio are happy with that so we can focus on the detail of pre-season, transfer-market planning and so on. We’re both comfortable with the situation.The second point I’d like to clear up is speculation in the press about our players. That is my responsibility. As we stand, there have been no enquiries, and we have had no bids, and we have had no offers for any of our players. That is accurate; that is the truth. That is exactly where we are.Reports that we are about to close deals on certain players and so on are totally misinformed, misleading, and are not true. No club has been given permission to talk to any of our players. So reports that some of our players are in the process of negotiating stellar transfer fees or contracts are absolutely misinformed.No club has been given permission to talk to any of our players. That will remain so. As far as the policy is concerned, we’ve had a great season. We want to build on that season. We want to improve the squad going forward.We want to retain the players we’ve got. They are all contracted. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts. Any enquiries we get will probably be met with a ‘no – not for sale’. Our intention is to keep this very good team together and build on it by bringing new players to improve on that. Every transfer window, particularly in the summer, is difficult because everybody is out there trying to attract players. We have our targets. We want to improve the squad. These are things we’re discussing on a daily basis. We will tend to develop a squad that’s capable of not just maintaining the position we’re in but improving next season. Therefore, it’s a positive message we want to get out there. I think our fans deserve to understand that there is not going to be a fire-sale here. We have repeatedly said that.We’ve had no offers for players. Deals are not about to be concluded for any of our players and we want to keep all of our best players here at this club and build on that for the future.” Hmmmm........
Wes Tender Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 If Tadic is as good as people are saying and the signings we are linked with come off we will be a decent side again next season. But apparently according to the forum intelligentsia, it will inevitably be a weaker side than that which finished the season. It seems that nobody of equal quality can be found to replace Lallana, Lambert and Shaw, despite us receiving such inflated prices for them. Several of the brightest brains on the forum insist that anybody who believes that we could even start the season in a stronger position is a fool. However, they fail to take into account that we will also be bringing in replacements for the likes of Sharp, Fox Guly and Osvaldo, so that even by doing that, the likelihood is that the squad will be strengthened.
Griff Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Originally Posted by Saint Paul C View Post Thinking about this situation with Lovren, I'd be inclined to make him aware of his contractual responsibilities to the club and that he signed a 4 year commitment to us for the provision of his services to perform a specific function for that duration. If he's not willing to do that then I'd place him on gardening leave to cool off and discuss with his legal advisors. Once he's realised that Southampton FC hold all of the cards needed to win the case we'd then be willing to discuss next steps. However, if he takes the path of conflict with the club I'm of the opinion that writing off £8m to prove our point is a cost worth taking because it will be a once-off situation. Obviously, no wages are paid for non performance if contracted duties due to refusal to work. This is a game of brinkmanship I'd be happy to play this time around. I agree. This the one case when I'd be happy for the club to play real hard ball with a player. I totally agree on this one. What is the point of having a fixed contract of say four or five years ,which gives the player security, if they are not adhered to. I would really play hard ball and say yes you can go, the balance of your contract must be payed off in in full by the player and then a transfer fee on top. The only trouble is it would never work!
Viking Warrior Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Oh I forgot fitzhugh . That You are well connected with the press . I must remember to bow Down to your every word of wisdom you print . Sorry gov. Ps it was not a scatter gun approach as you kindly put it . Crook is your typical sports journo . Who loves to sensationalise stories. I have my opinion as you have yours . I wonder how much of what crook had printing was factually correct . But he or his editor embellished the story more than it needed it to be . Reporters of the red tops do it every day even the BBC and other news outlets . Journos do distort stories everyday . Maybe we will have a mirror story that Matt le tiss ate my pet floppy eared rabbit .
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Again you fall hook line and sinker into "shoot the messenger mode". You do it every time without ever bothering to check the messenger's credentials. You are so bleeding predictable. Crook is a local Hampshire based journalist who does have good Southampton sources. A friend of mine who is a big saints fan and an ex journalist who you would have heard of, rates him. There is a lot of s+it out there I grant you but you need to be a little less scatter gunned in your attempts to be one of the forum bandwagon jumpers. A few people I know with lines into the club have openly said that Crook does not know what he is talking about and the Mirror (crook included) are not a paper the club 'uses'. In fact, the exact words used were 'i wouldnt believe a word those papers say, its probably old news anyway' So I think its a reasonable assumption that crook is a tit, plenty of better hants based journos out there
benjii Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 The problem with "playing hardball" is that you risk becoming less attractive to these players in the first place. At the least, they would be less likely to sign long contracts. If he only had a year left he could see it out and leave for nothing. Generally, if someone is being disruptive you are best off getting a good price and reinvesting. No player is irreplaceable. However, what is so hard at the moment is the number of players who seem to be agitating. It would be good to play hardball to put a stop on it but I'm not sure it's best long term.
Wes Tender Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Saint RichmondA Club "With ambition" would not have had players queuing up to leave in the first place. Contracts ?? What are those. They don't bind a player for the duration of it. Only good for getting a Sale value It still doesn't penetrate that the players wanting to leave are doing so purely for reasons of naked greed, rather than because they feel the club is not ambitious. It doesn't matter how many times you say that you believe the players, it doesn't make it true. As for your earlier pie in the sky assertion that KL is not as ambitious as her late father, as well as being asked to furnish us with anything that Markus stated as ambition to one day play in the CL, will you please also tell us how you know what KL's ambitions are? Because if you can't, then we will have to conclude that everything you say is based on guesswork. Regarding contracts, they form the basis of a legally binding arrangement between the player and the club. It might be that in the past it has been expedient for many reasons for both parties to settle their parting by mutual consent, but if we had the inclination to go to law if Lovren was in breach of his contract by withdrawing his services, then in my opinion we are a in a strong position legally. It has just been the case in the past that a club usually doesn't wish to keep a player who doesn't want to be there, so finds some other solution. In our case, by not taking hard action, we risk this situation becoming endemic with other players.
Viking Warrior Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 (edited) So fitzhugh Is this the Alex crook your mates with Alex began his career as a trainee sports reporter at the Slough Observer after completing the National Council for the Training of Journalists (NCTJ) 20-week post graduate newspaper journalism course. He first started at M&Y as a matchday football reporter while working on the sports desk at the Bournemouth Daily Echo before taking up a full-time position in 2001. Alex became joint-owner in September 2004 and has helped transform the agency into one of the most respected and successful in the UK. Football has always been Alex’s first love and during his time at the agency he has built up a reputation as one of the country’s brightest young commentators, working for Premier League Radio, Chelsea FC, Quay Radio and Radio Hampshire among others. Alex won the Sport Story of the Year category at the 2008 National Association of Press Agencies awards for his exclusive interview with Portsmouth midfielder Pedro Mendes after he was hospitalised by a vicious elbow attack from Manchester City's Ben Thatcher. Are you fed up with hordes of reporters knocking at your door and ringing the phone day and night? Have you been inundated with journalists offering to sell your story and do not know who to turn to? If the answer to any of these questions is yes, M&Y are the only people you should trust to handle your story with care and sensitivity and treat you as a human being rather than a cash prize while also making sure you get the best possible deal and get the article in the publication you are most comfortable with. We are the UK’s leading freelance press agency and have been filling the pages of all the major newspapers and magazines for the past 40 years. Edited 7 July, 2014 by Viking Warrior
pap Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 Trialling my new "photo-lip-reading" routines* * routines do not actually exist. It's all a lark, like.
Donatello Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 What are the odds on selling him outside of the league, even if at a minor loss? A) To highlight the complete the tosh in the statement, 'my head is at Liverpool' (it's at the bank, mate), and perhaps more importantly, B) to prevent direct strengthening of opposition.
Killers Knee Posted 7 July, 2014 Posted 7 July, 2014 I'd personally get rid for the best price on offer BUT get signatures of two quality starting XI CB's first. That will kill three birds with a single stone. Gets rid of a bad apple Strengthens our squad Goes some way to persuade Morgan Schneiderlin there is ambition at SFC.
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