Dan Johnson Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 This isn't the 90's, he's not a name in modern football. I and nearly everyone under 30 have no reason for knowing who he is, he's done nothing of note in his managerial career that means I should've heard of him, his fame is based on success as a player. I'm 31, Koeman is still a huge respected name in football. If you haven't heard of Koeman it's because you're not a football fan!
Wade Garrett Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Couldn't give a monkeys about Lovren's 'ambitions'. We paid decent money for him, put him on a salary he'd never earned anything near on, and he hasn't even given us a whole season yet. Keep him, and tell Liverpool to f*ck off.
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 It does annoy me tbh. Where were these bids from clubs last year? We didn't see a queue of clubs wanting to get him last year, did we? Exactly. We took somewhat of a gamble on a player in the fringes of the Lyon squad, allowed him to totally resurrect his career club wise and internationally yet he has treated us with serious disrespect. If we stopped paying him his wages, then he has every right to moan, but we've not. We're still paying him his very respectable wages I imagine, and nothing will change in that respect. Morgans and Rickie have showed how it is to be done. Morgan will most likely be off, but at least he has the decency to acknowledge the club that paid his wages before mouthing off.
OldNick Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 The fact that half our players are off to Champions League quality teams and most of the rest are internationals show's it wasn't such a "crazy, unrealistic dream"......We had a first team that was good enough for 3rd half way through the season. Unlike our sad fan base, that team believed and proved they were good enough......Add 4 or 5 more quality players over a couple of years and anything was possible. But now we have Ralf and stripes and back to out traditional level of "reality" and everything is wonderful with the fan base. Our only hope now, is that Koeman can rise above the incompetence of the board and make things happen in spite of them....If he can't then it's goodbye Premier League for sure. That's about the size of it. And some fans will still cling onto their heroes words, believing none of it would have happened if he was here. Why have you the Captain of the Titanic as your avatar?
Bakovnetski Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Sorry if I missed this theory elsewhere but maybe he doesn't want to play in a team with a Serbian?
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Sorry if I missed this theory elsewhere but maybe he doesn't want to play in a team with a Serbian? Lol.
Batman Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 http://www.thesportbible.com/pictures/dejan-lovren-s-sly-dig-at-southampton-on-instagram lovrens twitter
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Good to see the Scouse view on things from their forum. Always disliked them, but after all this I really dislike them immensely: Sounds to me like the club have a blatant disregard for their players. Lallana having his phonecalls ignored, Lovren not being told about offers. Plus so many changes happening, hard to blame the players wanting to leave. Their fans should quit moaning so much. Lallana leaving them to come here is not the same as Luis leaving us for Barca either. I hope we take Clyne off them too and give them a good slap on the first day of the season. 4-0 should do it.
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 http://www.thesportbible.com/pictures/dejan-lovren-s-sly-dig-at-southampton-on-instagram lovrens twitter A dig at the fans and the club, who pay his wages. Utterly despise him now, tbh. And to think, this was from a few months ago. He never really had an affinity with the club or the fans, just the chairman, and slimy Argentine and some sort of mysterious project.
doddisalegend Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 http://www.thesportbible.com/pictures/dejan-lovren-s-sly-dig-at-southampton-on-instagram lovrens twitter C unt would love the club to make him rot training with the under 12s for the rest of his contract.
angelman Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 (edited) The lack of ambition, the selling of our best players, happened before he starting moaning about not selling him. If we hadn't sold Shaw and Lallana then that would have signalled we meant business about breaking the top 6. The club had a choice, it could have given these players unbelievable money to tempt them to stay, otherwise it was pretty much inevitable that the talent would leave. You club has chosen a different path, perhaps a more sustainable one, but with so much talent leaving the risk now is that we go down. Really? Let's look at things.... First off was MP. If stories are to be believed, the board did try and keep him and did offer him a huge pay rise. If Lovren's latest outburst is the truth, then MP had decided before April. His whoring of himself at the PSG vs Chelsea game would indicate that he felt that he was too big for us and nothing would keep him here. Then we have Lambert who is off. I suspect that although Koeman had not been appointed, he would have been consulted. There are a lot of people around me where I sit who think that he is far too slow for a striker. OK he does a lot more than be a striker, but stowing any sentiment about how talismanic he has been, the future is not in Lambert. Maybe another year, at a push two. So from that point of view, I would agree to a certain extent. Others may argue that he was a current England squad member, but to me, he was there to come on as a late sub in extra time to take a penalty. The we have Shaw. If Lovren thinks we were wrong to sell Shaw for £30m+ then he really is very stupid and clearly doesn't understand how the industry he works in operates. Tell me how many clubs in the world would not accept an offer of +/- £30m for an 18yo left back? He may well have huge potential, but £30m is £30m. Up next is our esteemed captain. I wonder what Lovren suggests the board should have done when a player intimates that he will refuse to play again in order to keep him at the club? Maybe we can take that course of action with Lovren, or more likely, we will get an over inflated price for a disloyal player who trots out disingenuous banalities that he is either so stupid to actually believe or so stupid that he thinks we will believe. Edited 6 July, 2014 by angelman
um pahars Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 The lack of ambition, the selling of our best players, happened before he starting moaning about not selling him. If we hadn't sold Shaw and Lallana then that would have signalled we meant business about breaking the top 6. The club had a choice, it could have given these players unbelievable money to tempt them to stay, otherwise it was pretty much inevitable that the talent would leave. You club has chosen a different path, perhaps a more sustainable one, but with so much talent leaving the risk now is that we go down. Lovren's request went in even before Lambert was sold.
OldNick Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 The fact that half our players are off to Champions League quality teams and most of the rest are internationals show's it wasn't such a "crazy, unrealistic dream"......We had a first team that was good enough for 3rd half way through the season. Unlike our sad fan base, that team believed and proved they were good enough......Add 4 or 5 more quality players over a couple of years and anything was possible. But now we have Ralf and stripes and back to out traditional level of "reality" and everything is wonderful with the fan base. Our only hope now, is that Koeman can rise above the incompetence of the board and make things happen in spite of them....If he can't then it's goodbye Premier League for sure. Lovren's request went in even before Lambert was sold.when RL was asked at the airport about leaving for Liverpool the reporter asked him about the other 2joining him
angelman Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Lovren's request went in even before Lambert was sold. I think it was the day after MP was announced @ Spuds
Restark19 Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 A dig at the fans and the club, who pay his wages. Utterly despise him now, tbh. And to think, this was from a few months ago. He never really had an affinity with the club or the fans, just the chairman, and slimy Argentine and some sort of mysterious project. Lallana on the phone to Rodgers "i think about you all day and all night, just can't get you and your massive club off my mind, take me away"
Delmary Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 At least it's clear why Cortese jumped ship, he sold a bunch a players his pipe-dream and got the hell out before the inevitable happened, I expect he left a big ****ing debt for the current board to clear up as well. Hans Hofstetter, Director, added: “Whilst I perceive that we have inherited a difficult situation financially, there are now clear and structured plans in place to progress the Club and avoid a similar situation from occurring again. “The continued support of the Ultimate Shareholder cannot be underestimated, and we are grateful to be able to rely on their dedication to helping us flourish as a Club.”
um pahars Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 when RL was asked at the airport about leaving for Liverpool the reporter asked him about the other 2joining him Lovren wanted out the minute he had got tapped up by Liverpool. At the time he declared he wanted out we hadn't sold anyone. It's just a convenient excuse.
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 2 months ago: "I also heard something about that," he told Sportske Novosti when asked about Liverpool. "I follow the media and I saw that Liverpool is allegedly interested in me. But that is all that I know so far. "I feel great at Southampton and my contract is valid for the next three years. "So the only thing I can say right now is that the club is the one who decides."
alpine_saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Hans Hofstetter, Director, added: “Whilst I perceive that we have inherited a difficult situation financially, there are now clear and structured plans in place to progress the Club and avoid a similar situation from occurring again. “The continued support of the Ultimate Shareholder cannot be underestimated, and we are grateful to be able to rely on their dedication to helping us flourish as a Club.” Even if the situation was true, this statement was insane. F**king idiot.
doddisalegend Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Lovren wanted out the minute he had got tapped up by Liverpool. At the time he declared he wanted out we hadn't sold anyone. It's just a convenient excuse. This ^^^ Mopo, Adam, Lovern, Shaw and possibly even Lambert had all made up their minds about leaving before the season had even ended none of them even wanted to find the clubs plans before they had decided to leave but lack of ambition makes a grand excuse. Sadly I think this is a case of money talks and bull s hit walks.
TwoPints Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 We should keep him, fine him whatever the maximum fine is and drop him to the reserves for a few months until he sees the error of his ways. He can tell everyone how great Liverpool is from there.
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Even if the situation was true, this statement was insane. F**king idiot. Yeah, total utter idiot for saying that. That did kind of open the door wide open. I wonder if the clear and structured plans in place were to sell everyone? There are obviously subtle digs at NC in that statement, but he was a naive idiot for going to the media with it. Totally set the tone. The new board do not fill me with any confidence what so ever. Ralf is a mumbling moron, Gareth - I'm not quite sure what he does, get the feeling he's out of his depth. Hans - statement says it all. I still think we're lucky Les stayed around, only person with any footballing sense around the place. That's why he still has my trust and I still feel we may salvage something from this unreal situation.
Saints foreva Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 We should keep him, fine him whatever the maximum fine is and drop him to the reserves for a few months until he sees the error of his ways. He can tell everyone how great Liverpool is from there. We should but won't. He will get his own way, just like Lallana did. They're going to smash us on the opening day.
beatlesaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 We should keep him, fine him whatever the maximum fine is and drop him to the reserves for a few months until he sees the error of his ways. He can tell everyone how great Liverpool is from there. Exactly right. We don't need the money so let him see if he likes playing for the reserves for a few months.
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 We should but won't. He will get his own way, just like Lallana did. They're going to smash us on the opening day. Or we sneak a 1-0 win with an 80th min own goal off of Adam Lallana's head. It's so big, you can't miss it.
LGTL Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Regardless, I can't ****ing wait until that first game of the season at Anfield.
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 The lack of ambition, the selling of our best players, happened before he starting moaning about not selling him. If we hadn't sold Shaw and Lallana then that would have signalled we meant business about breaking the top 6. The club had a choice, it could have given these players unbelievable money to tempt them to stay, otherwise it was pretty much inevitable that the talent would leave. You club has chosen a different path, perhaps a more sustainable one, but with so much talent leaving the risk now is that we go down. This
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 2 months ago: Exactly, adam, mopo, shaw all said similar things, still talking about ambition and the hope the club would follow it up Fastforward a few months and we have the exodus, regardless of what happens between now and the end of the TW somethings seriously gone wrong
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Regardless, I can't ****ing wait until that first game of the season at Anfield. Agreed, at least all this should guarantee a lively old away end.
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Exactly, adam, mopo, shaw all said similar things, still talking about ambition and the hope the club would follow it up Fastforward a few months and we have the exodus, regardless of what happens between now and the end of the TW somethings seriously gone wrong What do you think has seriously gone wrong? Apart from massive bids from the likes of Man Utd and Liverpool?
doddisalegend Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Exactly, adam, mopo, shaw all said similar things, still talking about ambition and the hope the club would follow it up Fastforward a few months and we have the exodus, regardless of what happens between now and the end of the TW somethings seriously gone wrong I find it very hard to believe that if the board had told them we still wanted CL football and would buy some new quaility players that those leaving/wanting to leave would have happily stayed. Why stay at saints earning less and hoping for CL football in the future when you can just go to Liverpool (or even Man U were you are going to see CL far sooner than at saints) and get it right now. All this board lacks ambition crap is a smoke screen to help get a move. We can't compete with the likes of Liverpool and Man U it's s hit but there it is. Every club below us in the PL would have the same problem holding on to their players (if they had any players the big clubs actually wanted)
Turkish Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 He's got form for this it seems http://www.espnfc.com/story/1410169/dejan-lovren-falls-out-with-lyon
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Ill answer you both The issue isnt with the bids or with them necessarily leaving it is in the way it has occured. Players effectively forcing moves, speaking out in public and threatening to strike. Whilst I cant argue that these players may or may not have gone we seem effectively powerless to stand in their way when only a matter of months ago they were talking about lengths of contracts and the board buying to match ambition. The mood has changed, I get the fact that big clubs have come knocking but much I imagine is because they are aware these players are attainable. I honestly dont think their reaction would be as militant if all was rosey in camp st marys
angelman Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 I find it very hard to believe that if the board had told them we still wanted CL football and would buy some new quaility players that those leaving/wanting to leave would have happily stayed. Why stay at saints earning less and hoping for CL football in the future when you can just go to Liverpool (or even Man U were you are going to see CL far sooner than at saints) and get it right now. All this board lacks ambition crap is a smoke screen to help get a move. We can't compete with the likes of Liverpool and Man U it's s hit but there it is. Every club below us in the PL would have the same problem holding on to their players (if they had any players the big clubs actually wanted) They will earn more at those clubs (regardless of CL) than we would ever offer even if we did manage CL footie. Having said that, weren't Gaston and Osvaldo on £65k a week or something like that?
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 They will earn more at those clubs (regardless of CL) than we would ever offer even if we did manage CL footie. Having said that, weren't Gaston and Osvaldo on £65k a week or something like that? Ive no idea what to believe regards wages, apparantly true though media also has Morgans wage at 9k a week and I really cant see that gulf being reality
Goatboy Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Not sure if it's been mentioned but DL has now unfollowed MLT on twitter. Don't think MLT is overly bothered: Matt Le Tissier @mattletiss7 2h For the record I have no problems with Sfc players wanting to move on in their careers but don't throw toys out the pram to force a move Details Matt Le Tissier @mattletiss7 2h “@dpereira73: @mattletiss7 because of you truthful comments about @DejanLovren05 he has now unfollowed you too!”~~~~haha I'm devastated Details
peacey Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 A good article regarding Lovren from the Liverpool side and how badly the writer believes lovren is for not showing soton any respect. Spot on fella. http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/07/lovren-liverpool-target-show-respect-southampton/
pimpin4rizeal Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 At least it's clear why Cortese jumped ship, he sold a bunch a players his pipe-dream and got the hell out before the inevitable happened, I expect he left a big ****ing debt for the current board to clear up as well. Dont believe this at all, so what your saying is cortese is going to give up his great job of chairman and massive wages of a club he brought up through because all the time he had been fibbing and thought he was going to get found out? . Get real the more likely scenario is big kat wanted to cash in on our talents ,cortese wasnt down with that and left and now its happening anyway. How people keep painting nc as the bad guy is beyond me.
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Dont believe this at all, so what your saying is cortese is going to give up his great job of chairman and massive wages of a club he brought up through because all the time he had been fibbing and thought he was going to get found out? . Get real the more likely scenario is big kat wanted to cash in on our talents ,cortese wasnt down with that and left and now its happening anyway. How people keep painting nc as the bad guy is beyond me. Doesn't have to have been "fibbing" the whole time, just got to a junction whereby he wasn't able to secure the future funding and investment he'd been hoping for to cover the next five years of his plan.
Viking Warrior Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Alpine . I think you should sue the school you went to . As they only seem to have taught you one adjective . As you seem to always use the F****** word in most of your post . Can I therefore teach you to use a verb and go and do one . Please
Wes Tender Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 I find it very hard to believe that if the board had told them we still wanted CL football and would buy some new quaility players that those leaving/wanting to leave would have happily stayed. Why stay at saints earning less and hoping for CL football in the future when you can just go to Liverpool (or even Man U were you are going to see CL far sooner than at saints) and get it right now. All this board lacks ambition crap is a smoke screen to help get a move. We can't compete with the likes of Liverpool and Man U it's s hit but there it is. Every club below us in the PL would have the same problem holding on to their players (if they had any players the big clubs actually wanted) Exactly. It really isn't credible that they were devastated enough to think that the dream they had been sold left with Cortese, when weighed up against the likelihood that they are just after the move purely because of naked greed and egostistical ambition.
stevegrant Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Probably worth somebody doing a bit of research into the people Lovren has around him to conduct his footballing business. From what I've heard, the "quotes" attributed to Lovren have been planted by someone working for him - that doesn't mean to suggest that the words aren't what he feels, but this situation is being controlled by a Croatian agent close to Lovren (described as the Croatian equivalent of a Mafioso, FFS! ), and Liverpool have allowed him to leak all sorts in an attempt to force the deal through. Liverpool's offer is currently £18m, Saints are demanding £25m (personally I'd sell to anyone but Liverpool, even at a lower fee, just to not do business again with those ****s) but will probably accept a couple of million below that.
Wes Tender Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Lovren is moaning that he wasn't told about Liverpool's offers. Of course, he wasn't. Didn't they go straight into the bin?
angelman Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Probably worth somebody doing a bit of research into the people Lovren has around him to conduct his footballing business. From what I've heard, the "quotes" attributed to Lovren have been planted by someone working for him - that doesn't mean to suggest that the words aren't what he feels, but this situation is being controlled by a Croatian agent close to Lovren (described as the Croatian equivalent of a Mafioso, FFS! ), and Liverpool have allowed him to leak all sorts in an attempt to force the deal through. Liverpool's offer is currently £18m, Saints are demanding £25m (personally I'd sell to anyone but Liverpool, even at a lower fee, just to not do business again with those ****s) but will probably accept a couple of million below that. So Liverpool are seemingly complicit. Before saying that they should know how to "behave", are you sure that they have OK'ed this?
stevegrant Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 So Liverpool are seemingly complicit. Before saying that they should know how to "behave", are you sure that they have OK'ed this? Liverpool are absolutely complicit.
Wes Tender Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 . Liverpool's offer is currently £18m, Saints are demanding £25m (personally I'd sell to anyone but Liverpool, even at a lower fee, just to not do business again with those ****s) but will probably accept a couple of million below that. Why would Lovren be upset if Liverpool offered only £18 million, when the release clause is triggered allegedly by a £20 million bid? And I'm totally with you that we ought to refuse to do business with Liverpool. By the way, did we insert a clause in the sale agreements with Liverpool that Lallana and Lambert were not to play against us next season? That would have been an astute move.
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 Why would Lovren be upset if Liverpool offered only £18 million, when the release clause is triggered allegedly by a £20 million bid? And I'm totally with you that we ought to refuse to do business with Liverpool. By the way, did we insert a clause in the sale agreements with Liverpool that Lallana and Lambert were not to play against us next season? That would have been an astute move. I think that's a near on impossibility to do, tbh. It's not like a loan, they're buying them outright and we're then telling them that the player they've just spent £25m on cannot play in 2 games next year........that would cost us a few bob, I'm sure!
stevegrant Posted 6 July, 2014 Posted 6 July, 2014 By the way, did we insert a clause in the sale agreements with Liverpool that Lallana and Lambert were not to play against us next season? No, FA and Premier League rules forbid that sort of deal as "Third Party Influences".
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