Coxford_lou Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Haven't seen much in depth conversation on the new style Koeman will bring to Saints (apologies if there's a thread and I missed it). Does anyone have any good insights, or found any websites with good analysis? I think I saw referenced that he will bring 4-3-3 to the club, and his influence on the current Dutch team, but not much more than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 http://www.benefoot.net/koeman-gave-feyenoord-its-pride-back/ http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2014/06/17/4889633/a-dutch-legend-who-got-the-best-out-of-ibrahimovic-meet-new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 I reckon it will be 433. Wanyama doing what he did last season and sitting in between the CB's to allow the full backs to push on I think the main difference is that RoKo likes to have at least 1 wide player to stretch the front line, I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 If Transfermarkt is to be believed he played a 4 3 3 def and 4 3 3 att in equal measure. Either playing two or one dm depending on opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 "RoKo" lol. Can't we just call him Koeman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Don't see him being as aggressive and systematic in pressing other teams - we'll bring in more pace and move to a slightly more counterattacking style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 http://www.benefoot.net/koeman-gave-feyenoord-its-pride-back/ http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2014/06/17/4889633/a-dutch-legend-who-got-the-best-out-of-ibrahimovic-meet-new Reading those it looks like it will be 5-3-2. Shame Shaw's gone, he would have done well as a wing-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Sir Robin Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Sort of hoping he'll play 3 at the back, seeing as our best players are all midfielders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 We don't have 3 CB's...the more CB's which play, the closer Hooiveld is to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 We don't have 3 CB's...the more CB's which play, the closer Hooiveld is to the team. I think if we do end up selling Lovren, we'll sign at least 2 CB's to replace him. Fonte, Yoshida, Hooiveld + 2 new signings should be enough to play 3 at the back - and the likes of Chambers and Wanyama could fill in there too. Still think we'll end up playing a version of 4-3-3 though, although guess we don't have to wait too long to see how we line up in our pre-season friendlies.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 (edited) Sort of hoping he'll play 3 at the back, seeing as our best players are all midfielders! "3 at the back" requires fewer midfielder and more defenders than Pochettino's system. 4-2-3-1 = 4 defenders and 5 midfielders (3 of which are attacking) 3-5-2/5-3-2 = 5 defenders and 3 midfielders (as the wing backs are defenders - Clyne, Chambers, Targett etc) Edited 13 July, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Sort of hoping he'll play 3 at the back, seeing as our best players are all midfielders! 3 at the back still means youll play 3 midfielders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 I reckon it will be 433. Wanyama doing what he did last season and sitting in between the CB's to allow the full backs to push on I think the main difference is that RoKo likes to have at least 1 wide player to stretch the front line, I think I hope so having been brought up on Paine and Sydenham I do like wide players creating chances for a good CF like Pelle Lets see what happens on Tuesday in the Friendly when we wont have any width I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crab Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 He plays an experimental 2-1-1-2-1-1-1-1 formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 He plays an experimental 2-1-1-2-1-1-1-1 formation. [video=youtube;-rOornOc-rw] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 I'd like him to keep quiet on this particular issue and surprise everyone a bit. Telling the rest of the Prem. clubs what tactics you're going to employ next season sounds like sitting down to a poker game and showing your opponents what cards you're holding.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintroyt Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 god we have so many manager's on this site why didn't they get the job ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 I'd like him to keep quiet on this particular issue and surprise everyone a bit. Telling the rest of the Prem. clubs what tactics you're going to employ next season sounds like sitting down to a poker game and showing your opponents what cards you're holding.. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Koeman should be doing an announcement on it! Fair question on what changes we'll see to our set up and approach to games. Any chance he'll ry and use Wanyama to drop back in with the two centre backs to create the 3 at the back? It probably goes without saying that the expection will be that any left back we sign will have a fairly attacking edge to his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 I'd like him to keep quiet on this particular issue and surprise everyone a bit. Telling the rest of the Prem. clubs what tactics you're going to employ next season sounds like sitting down to a poker game and showing your opponents what cards you're holding.. Our early season opponents will have scouts at our pre-season games, it won't be kept a secret how we are planning to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Our early season opponents will have scouts at our pre-season games, it won't be kept a secret how we are planning to play. What's the seasons view on announcing injuries MLG? I remember you loved Adkins stance of not revealing who was injured or not so the opposition wouldn't know who to prepare for. Although when MP was a bit more open about injuries that was a great tactic too as it meant we the opposition would be worrying about us not visa versa. What's you're though of what Ronald will do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Our early season opponents will have scouts at our pre-season games, it won't be kept a secret how we are planning to play. Do you honestly think Koeman will play exactly how he plans to in pre-season? When was the last Manager we had that did this? I can't remember. Games will be used for fitness and to test a few things but all of the work on how the team will play is done behind closed doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Do you honestly think Koeman will play exactly how he plans to in pre-season? When was the last Manager we had that did this? I can't remember. Games will be used for fitness and to test a few things but all of the work on how the team will play is done behind closed doors. No it won't of course Koeman will try and get the team used to playing how he wants, especially in the later games, Brighton & Leverkusen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 I dunno about RK's tactics, but I will be staying with nuns for emergencies and weather reports for the first half. In extreme emergencies I will be posting the girl putting her jeans on .GIF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 I dunno about RK's tactics, but I will be staying with nuns for emergencies and weather reports for the first half. In extreme emergencies I will be posting the girl putting her jeans on .GIF I'm a big fan of extreme emergencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 I'm a big fan of extreme emergencies. O!M!G! 999 / 911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 omg 999 Extreme emergencies only, dammit!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 13 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Guys...off topic....??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 i think it will be more of a 21521 playing 3 box-box midfielders and 2 attacking midfielder/wingers behind the striker. So when defending we defend with 8 when attacking we attack with 8. -------gk---- ----cb----cb-- -------dm----- wb-------------wb ----cm--cm--cm-- ----am-------am-- --------st------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 i think it will be more of a 21421 playing 3 box-box midfielders and 2 attacking midfielder/wingers behind the striker. So when defending we defend with 7 when attacking we attack with 7. -------gk---- ----cb----cb-- -------dm----- wb-------------wb ----cm----cm-- ----am-------am-- --------st------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 i think it will be more of a 21521 playing 3 box-box midfielders and 2 attacking midfielder/wingers behind the striker. So when defending we defend with 8 when attacking we attack with 8. -------gk---- ----cb----cb-- -------dm----- wb-------------wb ----cm--cm--cm-- ----am-------am-- --------st------ Lol the first part of your user name suits this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 Guys...off topic....??! Definitely off topic.Sorry. What are you wearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 13 July, 2014 Share Posted 13 July, 2014 be great if we could get away with playing 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 July, 2014 Share Posted 14 July, 2014 (edited) once again, this is down to " the other players" - we haven't bought yet? Ever since RK was mooted for the job, the names of Tadic and Pelle came up and now they're onboard, who else amongst the other 15 names (or others we don't yet know)... will be on the books by then? If he isn't that type of manager fixed to a certain formation, then he'll style it around those players we have still have to sign. To simply say that we have " replaced " Lambert and Lallana isn't really the case. Jay Rod isn't back training yet, and to expect him to comeback with anywhere near his last season 's form is a big ask . We need another strike .....(don't laugh - but we still have mayuka and Sharp on the books ), personally I still think we should have another young-ish striker... Redmond?...Ings ?...Wickham ? There is no recognised LB in the club (and I don't feel happy with Clyne there either, he's right-footed). The CB position is most difficult. Jos is 31, Fonte nearing 30. Yoshida was out of favour with MP, and all the Academy prospects in this role are totally untried. Until theses questions are resolved I think even RK won't be certain what/who he's going to play as first-choice. (....not to mention we are totally reliant on a fit Boruc as a Prem. class keeper). Edited 14 July, 2014 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshiresaint Posted 14 July, 2014 Share Posted 14 July, 2014 Dirk Kuyt anyone? as a wing back a'la with Holland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 14 July, 2014 Share Posted 14 July, 2014 If you were analysing how the team did last year, which Koeman and his coaches must have done, you would have to look at relative GD and goals scored. We came 8th because the team did better than all those below them, no team finishing below Saints had a positive GD last season but ours doesn't compare too well with the clubs above, except for Tottenham. You could conclude that although we did very well on possession, we did less well on making and converting chances if you compare to the teams that were competing for European places. I have no idea how Koeman will go about it, but I do think he will put more emphasis on creating goal scoring chances even if it means occasionally losing out on possession. If so, is our defence good enough to handle the extra pressure and could that be where he needs to buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 14 July, 2014 Share Posted 14 July, 2014 Dirk Kuyt anyone? as a wing back a'la with Holland No thanks, he did a job for them there but is hardly a great wing back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 14 July, 2014 Share Posted 14 July, 2014 No thanks, he did a job for them there but is hardly a great wing back. I thought Kuyt had a good WC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 14 July, 2014 Share Posted 14 July, 2014 I thought Kuyt had a good WC! He was fine, better than you would expect a converted striker to be but nothing more really IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 14 July, 2014 Share Posted 14 July, 2014 Why would we want Kuyt as a wing back when arguably that is our strongest position with Clyne and Chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 14 July, 2014 Share Posted 14 July, 2014 Biggest insight yet about tactics under Koeman fron Jose Fonte in the latest video - basically very similar so far: [video=youtube_share;39-N4gWI0-M] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengi Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 Will be interesting to see if any Koeman magic rubs off on Yoshida (and maybe Hoover too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 Will be interesting to see if any Koeman magic rubs off on Yoshida (and maybe Hoover too) He may have been a good defender but he isn't a miracle worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeham_69 Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 Always impressed with Jose interviews - well spoken, interesting, forthright. Combined with his proven capacity to learn, take on ideas and improve, he's got future manager written all over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 Will be interesting to see if any Koeman magic rubs off on Yoshida (and maybe Hoover too) I thought Yoshida looked pretty solid when he was in the team during the second half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 Why would we want Kuyt as a wing back when arguably that is our strongest position with Clyne and Chambers. He played on both sides in the World Cup - he had the pleasure of being in the sun for both halves of the Netherlands v Mexico water break match where most of the crowd on that side were hiding in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 I thought Yoshida looked pretty solid when he was in the team during the second half of the season. I don't think he's looked remotely solid at any point whilst playing for anyone since the Olympics, and he was utterly dire in the World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 2 August, 2014 Author Share Posted 2 August, 2014 I thought interesting in the Ward-Prowse interview how he said "under the new regime our training is more short sharp work and we feel more fresh going into games which is positive for us" Not sure the potential implications of that yet, but I'm wondering if Koeman's style is going to be less squad intensive than Pochettino's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 August, 2014 Share Posted 2 August, 2014 I don't think he's looked remotely solid at any point whilst playing for anyone since the Olympics, and he was utterly dire in the World Cup. Hardly got any regular game time last season. I think if he was played regularly he'd get a lot better still rather have a different CB to play with Jos though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 August, 2014 Share Posted 2 August, 2014 I thought Kuyt had a good WC! YES I agree, but his best years were at Liverpool, and they let him go 2 seasons ago. He's 33 now ??? not much milage left there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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