JxgrSaint Posted 9 July, 2014 Posted 9 July, 2014 http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/southampton-football-club-we-would-like-a-stand-at-st-mary-s-stadium-re-named-after-the-saviour-of-our-club-the-late-markus-liebherr?recruiter=122807540&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition Just saw this on Twitter - a petition to rename a stand at St.Mary's in Markus' honour. Thought it might be of interest to some on here...
hypochondriac Posted 9 July, 2014 Posted 9 July, 2014 Really stupid petition. He has a suite named after him and a cup.
CB Fry Posted 9 July, 2014 Posted 9 July, 2014 Leave the stands as they are, they are well named as it is and as Hypo says we have stuff named after ML already.
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 9 July, 2014 Posted 9 July, 2014 Ted Bates would have to have a stand if one was named after Markus
CWD Posted 9 July, 2014 Posted 9 July, 2014 Markus Liebherr was a very private man who shunned the limelight, hence why we aren't allowed the banner. He wouldn't want a stand named after him in my opinion.
JxgrSaint Posted 9 July, 2014 Author Posted 9 July, 2014 I'm not saying I support it or that it's a good idea (fwiw I don't), just that it might be of interest to the Saints forum crowd who aren't Twitter users
The Cat Posted 9 July, 2014 Posted 9 July, 2014 Rename the Ted Bates statue instead. That'll confuse people.
Saint_clark Posted 9 July, 2014 Posted 9 July, 2014 Really stupid petition. He has a suite named after him and a cup. Wasn't the cup abandoned last pre-season?
ringwood Posted 9 July, 2014 Posted 9 July, 2014 He'd probably be happier with a brick or a pavier with his name outside the ground
Bad Wolf Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Couldn't see it posted already....What do we think? Good idea IMO, if it wern't for him we'd have gone under. He may have only been with us a year but he's a Saints legend IMO http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11331442.Campaign_launched_to_rename_St_Mary_s_stand_as_tribute_to_Markus_Liebherr/?ref=fbpg
Saint_clark Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Proof if it were ever needed that the Echo get stories from this website. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?50909-Petition-to-Rename-a-Stand-for-Markus#.U75y-_ldWao
hypochondriac Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Couldn't see it posted already....What do we think? Good idea IMO, if it wern't for him we'd have gone under. He may have only been with us a year but he's a Saints legend IMO http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11331442.Campaign_launched_to_rename_St_Mary_s_stand_as_tribute_to_Markus_Liebherr/?ref=fbpg Rubbish idea. Should be scrapped.
ringwood Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?50909-Petition-to-Rename-a-Stand-for-Markus#.U750krH-Z0g
Bearsy Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 I would name the new stadium or the sandcrawler after Markus pls
VectisSaint Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 No thanks. I don't support this idea at all. If this was to be done we would have to name another stand the Nicola Cortese stand, and I don't think that would get the same support.
Pancake Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 No thanks. I don't support this idea at all. If this was to be done we would have to name another stand the Nicola Cortese stand, and I don't think that would get the same support. Why would we also have to do that? NC took no personal risk, ML did and should be applauded for it.
SaintRobbie Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 I's rather we named it after Schneiderlin if it meant he stayed!
Bucks Saint Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 lets name it after Lallana. Then we can wreck it
Trader Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Why would we also have to do that? NC took no personal risk, ML did and should be applauded for it. ML took no risk - 14m to a billionaire is pocket change. We were his hobby - not a risky investment.
Saint IQ Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 ML took no risk - 14m to a billionaire is pocket change. We were his hobby - not a risky investment. Completely disagree, very hard to find someone in the world to pay that much for a struggling League 1 football club all be it with higher standard facilities. Also he technically wasn't a 'billionaire'. His assets (business's) were worth 4 billion but that doesn't mean he has that lying around in his bank account. Anyone who doesn't want a stand named after him really hasn't thought of the severity of someone else buying us could of entailed or no one at all, look at Coventry
hypochondriac Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Why does Markus deserve a stand any more than ted Bates does?
Saint IQ Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Why does Markus deserve a stand any more than ted Bates does? He saved our club, Bates has a statue. Be happy with a statue or stand named after Markus, anything to show respect for what he did. If it wasn't for him 3 out of 4 stands could have been basically empty week in week out yet we are getting 27,000+ every week instead
Halo Stickman Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 I’d go for a statue myself … oh, and one for Markus as well.
simo Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 If the family didn't want to be reminded of him via a flag is a stand any different?
hypochondriac Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 He saved our club, Bates has a statue. Be happy with a statue or stand named after Markus, anything to show respect for what he did. If it wasn't for him 3 out of 4 stands could have been basically empty week in week out yet we are getting 27,000+ every week instead So did ted on more than one occasion. Markus has a trophy and a suite named after him, why the feck do we need a stand as well? What would it achieve? Heck why stop there? Let's just rebrand ourselves as the Markus Liebherr saints and be done with it. I'm sure the family are perfectly happy the way things are.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 ML took no risk - 14m to a billionaire is pocket change. We were his hobby - not a risky investment. This, I am very grateful he came along when he did but he was getting a bargain and I am sure that was his first priority. I am also pretty sure he would be embarrassed by this suggestion. Where does it stop? how about Leon Crouch who saved us from SISU, gave considerable funds to keep us afloat and sorted the Ted Bates statue out to save us from being a laughing stock.
Foxstone Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Markus did'nt just save us, he rebuilt us and from where we were there is no way on earth we would be where we are today without his intervention. The magnitude of what he did for us might be lost on some, but not the majority I would suggest - I still cannot beleive our good fortune when he chose us, bargain or not. In saying all of that though, Markus was a man of great humility and would probably have baulked at the idea of having a stand named after him, and I sense Katarina is cut from the same cloth and perhaps would prefer this not to happen.
ringwood Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 (edited) Does he have a gravestone ? perhaps he left instructions in his will no memorial ? we'll never know and if family havn't done it yet which no one wouldve objected to I'd say leave as it is, the living memorial is that we sing his name every game Edited 10 July, 2014 by ringwood
Batman Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Markus did'nt just save us, he rebuilt us and from where we were there is no way on earth we would be where we are today without his intervention. The magnitude of what he did for us might be lost on some, but not the majority I would suggest - I still cannot beleive our good fortune when he chose us, bargain or not. In saying all of that though, Markus was a man of great humility and would probably have baulked at the idea of having a stand named after him, and I sense Katarina is cut from the same cloth and perhaps would prefer this not to happen. without being rude but how the hell do you know this. After all, the devil himself (cortese) was his most trusted right hand man when it came to saints. Rumours had it that he wanted pardew gone long before he was actually sacked. Remember that really weird post match interview from pardew? it was heavily rumoured at the time that markus wanted him sacked either way, they were just rumours but how the hell would you know he was some great softy? he saved us and forever a legend and will be remembered forever but lets not make him out to be something we have no idea of either way
Spudders Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 If the family didn't want to be reminded of him via a flag is a stand any different? That story was just some spin to cover the truth. The reason the flag wasn't allowed to be used was related to Cortese and his pettiness. (ps I have nothing against Cortese, in fact I liked him & wish he was still at the club. He had his faults, but he had a lot more strengths).
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 That story was just some spin to cover the truth. The reason the flag wasn't allowed to be used was related to Cortese and his pettiness. (ps I have nothing against Cortese, in fact I liked him & wish he was still at the club. He had his faults, but he had a lot more strengths). you were doing well until your ps
Batman Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Well, like the season ticket deadlines and the mental prices for stuff. Which will all go away now cortese has gone I'm sure we will see this flag all the time now Oh......
CB Fry Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Markus did'nt just save us, he rebuilt us and from where we were there is no way on earth we would be where we are today without his intervention. The magnitude of what he did for us might be lost on some, but not the majority I would suggest - I still cannot beleive our good fortune when he chose us, bargain or not. In saying all of that though, Markus was a man of great humility and would probably have baulked at the idea of having a stand named after him, and I sense Katarina is cut from the same cloth and perhaps would prefer this not to happen. Always worth making the distinction - he didn't save us but his money did turn us into a Premier League club quicker than would otherwise have happened. He saved us from many years of Championship level drudgery, like Derby or Forest. Absolutely no way should we change the names of the stands, they're good now.
cellone Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Always worth making the distinction - he didn't save us but his money did turn us into a Premier League club quicker than would otherwise have happened. He saved us from many years of Championship level drudgery, like Derby or Forest. Absolutely no way should we change the names of the stands, they're good now. So L1 would have been a walk in the park whatever?
CB Fry Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 So L1 would have been a walk in the park whatever? Yeah, good point. Getting promoted from League one is the preserve of the uber rich mega clubs like Yeovil, Brentford and Rotherham. We'd probably still be there now.
krissyboy31 Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 To be fair, I would prefer the training complex to be named after him. That has been built almost entirely with his estate's money.
hypochondriac Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 To be fair, I would prefer the training complex to be named after him. That has been built almost entirely with his estate's money. Or just leave it as it is? It's not like he is in danger of being forgotten any time soon.
aintforever Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Yeah, good point. Getting promoted from League one is the preserve of the uber rich mega clubs like Yeovil, Brentford and Rotherham. We'd probably still be there now. Could well be.
Pastor Patrón Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Id rather have a MLT stand. The names at the minute are a bit boring.
cellone Posted 10 July, 2014 Posted 10 July, 2014 Yeah, good point. Getting promoted from League one is the preserve of the uber rich mega clubs like Yeovil, Brentford and Rotherham. We'd probably still be there now. Ah I see.
Matthew Le God Posted 11 July, 2014 Posted 11 July, 2014 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11334063.Saints_planning_permanent_Markus_Liebherr_tribute/?ref=twt
Miffy Posted 11 July, 2014 Posted 11 July, 2014 I'm sure this is a well intentioned idea to recognise the key role Markus has in Saints recent history, but I think it is poorly conceived. A. Markus' daughter owns the ground and if she wanted to name a stand or even the whole ground after her father should could have done it already. B. if the concern is that she may be too modest to do it, then surely a survey of fans would be sufficient to persuade her of the support she would receive C. A petition is usually used to try and force someone to do something/change something that don't want to do, through force of public opinion. It is inappropriate in this case. Having said all that if KL 'chose' to change a stand name, I would support it.
trousers Posted 11 July, 2014 Posted 11 July, 2014 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11334063.Saints_planning_permanent_Markus_Liebherr_tribute/?ref=twt Excellent news. Maybe the academy/training centre?
Foxstone Posted 11 July, 2014 Posted 11 July, 2014 without being rude but how the hell do you know this. After all, the devil himself (cortese) was his most trusted right hand man when it came to saints. Rumours had it that he wanted pardew gone long before he was actually sacked. Remember that really weird post match interview from pardew? it was heavily rumoured at the time that markus wanted him sacked either way, they were just rumours but how the hell would you know he was some great softy? he saved us and forever a legend and will be remembered forever but lets not make him out to be something we have no idea of either way Markus was certainly no softy - You don't get to being the successful businessman he was being soft as ****e, but there is a difference to being soft and having some humility about him - And I think he was that type of man. There is no doubt in my mind that he was the instigator of Pardew's dismissal, but that was not a bad call as it turned out either - Perhaps like many in the football world he just did'nt like the head butting, grey haired creep, and wanted somebody more to his liking - Step forward Nigel, another man of good manners and humility. As for Cortese, well you obviously think he was the devil incarnate but I beg to differ - Ruthless yes, but capable and driven, yes, yes, yes!!!
Saint Fan CaM Posted 11 July, 2014 Posted 11 July, 2014 I hope that the club create a new statue alongside Ted's - both men were instrumental in saving the club at it's hour of need. Other top clubs have more than one statue outside their grounds - we should honour Markus in this way IMO.
The Mac Attack Posted 11 July, 2014 Posted 11 July, 2014 I find this idea somewhat misguided although I appreciate it's done with every good intention. He was an investor who bought us when we were cheap with a view to earning a good return. He may or may not have been loyal to the club, undoubtedly he built up an affinity with us but for him to be lorded as some kind of Good Samaritan is just rubbish. I suspect, although I may be wrong that these ideas carry more weight with younger saints fans. Be grateful sure, but this kind of tribute should be reserved for those who have made huge sacrifices for the club and for club heroes. It is far too easy to forget those who pumped money into saints when we really were in the ****, without any expectation of personal gain.
Saint_clark Posted 11 July, 2014 Posted 11 July, 2014 If the family didn't want to be reminded of him via a flag is a stand any different? You think they're not reminded of him everytime they simply think about the club?
SaintRobbie Posted 11 July, 2014 Posted 11 July, 2014 I don't think he should have a statue. I don't think we should name a stand after him. But I do like the idea of replacing the seats on the Chapel or Northam so that he is there, behind us and supporting us.... Yet reminding KL that tributes, made of seats can be replaced. But....One day I'd like to see them both graduate to a statue, father and daughter together, the family that saved and invested in Southampton to make us into a top four team.... The Barcelona of the English football. Achieve that and you get a statue as owners.
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