Wilde confirms AGM non attendance !!

[um pahars]

I love the way you continue to place complete 100% blame on the club's current position on the chairman of the PLC board from 4 seasons ago - even the relegation itself, no blame to be attached to Redknapp for failing to keep us up, Davenport for single-handedly leaking about 20 goals, Crouch for his sending off and Everton ****-up, Killer's injury, etc etc. We had most of the same players that got us to the Cup Final and 4th in the league.

 

So Wilde is all to blame for things happening under his tenure, yet Lowe isn't. Which way do you want it???

 

Well done for proving yourself to be one hell of a hypocrite.

 

You stated that Wilde kick started the demise of this Club. Absolute rubbish, the demise was started and was well underway under Lowe.

 

Relegation (whoever's fault it was) cost this Club millions and left us in a perilous state. I remember warning people about it, but you were too happy to claim this was purely anti Lowe rhetoric. Funny how the annual accounts showed 9million cash out the door on normal operations (even after allowing for a 7million parachute payment).

 

Even Lowe himself, in an unguarded moment, revealed how impossible things were with his "don't know where the next penny was coming from".

 

I'm sure most people aren't naive enough to think a prudently managed club couldn't survive relegation from the Premiership - of course it's a Bad Thing and it left us with a real problem, but that was nothing compared with the events that kicked off thanks to Wilde and his merry band of muppets. Who the hell increases the wage bill to 80% of turnover without expecting the worst? Who increases the size of the board when we are trying to cut costs? Who uses people like Anderson and Dulieu, who uses underhand tactics to gain control of the website and trust? They had 2 years to sort out the finances and only succeeded in making things worse...

 

A "real problem" and "nothing compared to what followed"????

 

You had no clue about the finances back then and were quick to rubbish my warning of losing millions that first season down, and you are showing yourself to be none the wiser a few years on.

 

In the first season under the new regime we made the play offs (something Lowe never achieved), we reduced our net debt and we reduced our cost base. All of the numbers are in the Annual Report and you would do well to go and read it.

 

I am no apologist for what Hone and co did in the summer of 2007 and always adovcated retrenching following the loss of the parachute payments, and the major shareholders need to accept some of the blame around that time, as rather than fighting amongst themselves, they should have gotten hold of Hone and told him to rein it him.

 

But even then, the few million overspend (as poor and unnecessary as it was), pales into comparison with the tens of millions lost under Lowe's tenure.

 

Wilde's gang did not solve the problem and neither did Crouch solve the problem, but let's not forget that the problem was created under Lowe (who also did not solve it at the end of his first tenure and who is not solving it now either).

 

As for your little digs re Anderson & Dulieu, well sadly they just smack of desperation, because you conveniently forget the underhand tactics employed by Lowe around the same time, the three PR companies he had on the payroll, the phantom postings on S4E, the playing off of supporters groups against each other, the manipulation of the OS and it's editor. I certainly don't agree with any of this dirty fighting, but to suggest it was all one sided is rewritng history.

 

Lowe's poor decision making set off the train of events that we have been faced with over recent years, and no amount of blame shifting can alter that.

 

I fully accpet that no one (including Lowe twice) has been able to turn things around (and they may even have exasperated the problem), but that does not alter the fact that Lowe kick-started, or actually sent us full throttle on the road to disaster.

Edited 22 December, 2008 by um pahars

[edisaint]

The damage was really done with the appointment of Wigley. Athough Redknapp had time to keep us up, the rot had set in. At the beginning of the relegation season, Mr Lowe said that we had the strongest squad that we ever had. Did you believe that? Lack of investment in the team after the Cup Final, the subsequent loss of WGS and non-appointment of a suitable replacement are real causes of the current problems. Was Redknapp a good appointment?? Who made that appointment?

 

This one-eyed rewriting of history is so ludicrous. The managerial arse-ups were a large factor in relegation, but so were injuries and a failure to hold onto leads (e.g. 2-0 vs Middlesbrough with minutes to go, ends up 2-2 - those points would have kept us up) as well as many other factors. But no, of course it's not a complex situation with many factors, it's all the fault of Lowe, that bad bad man.

 

Is nobody who remembers the mob insanity of S4E when Mike Wilde turned up a little surprised that the same loud anyone-but-Lowe people are still so loud about it today? Nothing quite like a complete failure to learn from your mistakes. It seems a childlike form of shouting belligerence is a good substitute for a brain.

[jonah]

So Wilde is all to blame for things happening under his tenure, yet Lowe isn't. Which way do you want it???

 

Well done for proving yourself to be one hell of a hypocrite.

 

Oh dear, the lights are on but nobody is home - you are failing to distinguish between the financial consequences of results on the football pitch compared to deliberate actions off the pitch. That is not hypocrisy, it's understanding that relegation is a fixed risk for any football club - the costs of that are absolute and cannot really be altered, but Lowe didn't *choose* to get the team relegated. Increasing the size of the board is something which can be controlled - Wilde *chose* to do that. Paying money out of the club to fund his expenses was something Wilde *chose* to do. Bringing in Dulieu despite the obvious issues with CapCon was something Wilde *chose* to do. Can you really not see the difference?

 

Relegation (whoever's fault it was) cost this Club millions and left us in a perilous state. I remember warning people about it, but you were too happy to claim this was purely anti Lowe rhetoric.

 

Yes, just as now when you are trying to claim the entire club was doomed to administration the second we got relegated, I will still maintain that is an hysterical overreaction (not in the ha ha sense either) - it is manageable.

 

Even Lowe himself, in an unguarded moment, revealed how impossible things were with his "don't know where the next penny was coming from".

 

Chortle, still trotting out that line? I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the stadium naming yet? :-)

 

I am no apologist for what Hone and co did in the summer of 2007 and always adovcated retrenching following the loss of the parachute payments, and the major shareholders need to accept some of the blame around that time, as rather than fighting amongst themselves, they should have gotten hold of Hone and told him to rein it him.

 

Exactly, so you're agreeing it was manageable and not the end of Saints because we happened to get relegated 4 seasons ago?

 

As for your little digs re Anderson & Dulieu, well sadly they just smack of desperation, because you conveniently forget the underhand tactics employed by Lowe around the same time, the three PR companies he had on the payroll, the phantom postings on S4E, the playing off of supporters groups against each other, the manipulation of the OS and it's editor. I certainly don't agree with any of this dirty fighting, but to suggest it was all one sided is rewritng history.

 

I suggest you re-read what I wrote, I didn't say it was one-sided - I was referring to how it was obvious what we were getting with Wilde and it's no good complaining about it now. Again, you are concentrating on the minutae whilst missing the rather bigger picture, but that's always been the case I guess.

 

Unfortunately, given your position as Trust Chairman at the time, you are one of the biggest pawns in the whole episode - the lack of questioning, the lack of integrity over the share proxies, that set the path of a trouble-free path for Wilde to do what he pleased. Even with a printed manifesto there was absolutely no questioning from the Trust when the payment was made to Vantis, the back-tracking on board size, the lack of due diligence on Wilde's claims, Trant's lies about investment, his non-attendance at the AGM... the list goes on and on.

[um pahars]

Again, you are concentrating on the minutae whilst missing the rather bigger picture, but that's always been the case I guess.

.

 

But the bigger picture is your starting point that Wilde kick started the demise of this Club. I think you'll find the train was already full steam ahead when he rocked up. I'm sure he, Hone and others threw more coal into the engine, but let's not pretend everything was rosey when they took over.

 

The Club's demise was well under way before Wilde got his feet under the table, both on and off the pitch. The idea that Lowe left a strong and robust Club is rewriting history big time.

 

Lowe's tenure ended in relegation and a financial mess and no amount of blame shifting will change that.

 

We can of course argue as to how we got there, and I for one certainly blame the poor managerial appointments (particularly Wigley who was appointed without full board approval) but there can be no denying he left us in a pretty perilous state.

 

In our first season down, the Club under Lowe showed no sign of getting out of this division and in his second stint although it looks as though we might get out of this division, I'm not sure dropping down was what people expected!

 

Those who came in certainly did not solve the problem, be they Wilde, Hone, Dulieu or Crouch, and I fully accept they may have even exasperated our financial problems, but their financial mishaps, fccukc ups and ill adivsed decisions, as bad as they were, are not the fundamental reason we find ourselves in the mire. The few million they wasted pales into comparison with the tens of millions we lost when we dropped out of the top flight under Lowe.

 

PS I think you have made a strong case against Wilde being involved in the future of this Club, and I'm sure even you would have to accept that Lowe is not the right man to be involved in the day to day decision making, which does beg the question as to why these two are now in charge??????

Edited 22 December, 2008 by um pahars

[miserableoldgit]

This one-eyed rewriting of history is so ludicrous. The managerial arse-ups were a large factor in relegation, but so were injuries and a failure to hold onto leads (e.g. 2-0 vs Middlesbrough with minutes to go, ends up 2-2 - those points would have kept us up) as well as many other factors. But no, of course it's not a complex situation with many factors, it's all the fault of Lowe, that bad bad man.

 

Is nobody who remembers the mob insanity of S4E when Mike Wilde turned up a little surprised that the same loud anyone-but-Lowe people are still so loud about it today? Nothing quite like a complete failure to learn from your mistakes. It seems a childlike form of shouting belligerence is a good substitute for a brain.

Firstly, I am no fan of Lowe, Wilde or Crouch. As far as I am concerned they are all killing the club or allowing the club to die in their own ways. Secondly, I have been supporting this club through thick and thin for over 50 years and have been (and still am) a ST holder for 35 years so I like to think that I do have a brain when it comes to SFC.

 

My grouse is with the decision making that The Chairman makes. He is only too happy to take credit when things go well but not so forthcoming when it all goes wrong. I can accept things that happen on the pitch inluding injuries are part of what football is all about. What I cannot accept is the repetition of bad decisions. The loss of Souness, the appointments of Gray, (esp) Wigley and Sturrock, and possibly (time will tell) the dismissal of Pearson. Had Lowe appointed a suitable replacement for Strachan, the results against Middlesbrough and Everton (and Villa??) would probably have been irrelevant. We should never have been in the position that we were when Redknapp arrived.

[reggaesaint]

There should be an immediate vote of no confidence in Wilde and he should be removed with immediate effect. Lowe needs to be questioned hard on every front. Having asked him questions before, he waffles on without giving a proper answer. He needs to reassure all shareholders, myself included that will be able to turn things round very quickly, which starts with removing JP and replacing him with a manager with tactical nous and motivational skills. We also need to get Saganowski and John back from their loan deals and get the players to really give it their all for the second half of the season. Surely a consortium can be formed to oust Lowe?????

[Weston Super Saint]

There should be an immediate vote of no confidence in Wilde and he should be removed with immediate effect.

 

So Lowe can combine Wilde's job with his own?

[alpine_saint]

Would anybody be really surprised to see Lowe take the opportunity and stab him in the back considering he wont be there ?

[um pahars]

Would anybody be really surprised to see Lowe take the opportunity and stab him in the back considering he wont be there ?

 

Won't happen.

 

As much as they don't particularly get on, they both know that they rely on each others support to stay in situ.

 

This is purely a marriage of convenience, with the Club suffering as a resuult of this sham marriage.

[Window Cleaner]

Won't happen.

 

As much as they don't particularly get on, they both know that they rely on each others support to stay in situ.

 

This is purely a marriage of convenience, with the Club suffering as a resuult of this sham marriage.

 

 

There may be some friction just now about the continuation of the Dutch experiment.

Wilde might just be about as ****ed off as most of us,so he stays away.

[bridge too far]

There may be some friction just now about the continuation of the Dutch experiment.

Wilde might just be about as ****ed off as most of us,so he stays away.

 

Can't he get a representative to cast his vote for him?

[docker-p]

Lets put aside all the countless fvck ups Lowe made in his first period as chairman. Second time around he bowls up and lets go Nigel Pearson (a manager running away with the League we'll soon be in with Leicester, and a manager who seemed to have united the fan base) and installs a no mark manager from the Dutch 4th division, sells or loans out half the squad to cut costs, without realising if you put out a reserve side not many people will want to watch. Result 5K fewer turn up, and his cost cutting is back to square one.

 

Remember, by his own words, he is not a football fan, or a Saints fan just a businessman.

Well if your stock in trade is running plcs they don't come much smaller than a plc with a market cap of £6m. The man is a failure.

[Window Cleaner]

Can't he get a representative to cast his vote for him?

 

Of course, usual proxy stuff.

I'm not going either, too expensive, probably the same for Mike Wilde.

He's probably about as broke as I am.

[Mole]

Spot on. Sheep like Apline swallowed the spin hook line and sinker.

 

This is total ********.

 

I hate Lowe with a passion, but at the time Wilde waltzed into town and started sucking up to Legg and the Trust (obviously to use them) i could see he was all talk and no substance. And i said so.

 

LOWE OUT.

[Graffito]

"This is purely a marriage of convenience, with the Club suffering as a resuult of this sham marriage."

 

A marriage of convenience and the only thing that gets fkced is the club.

[Saint in Paradise]

So Lowe can combine Wilde's job with his own?

 

I thought Mr Lowe was already doing that

[Mole]

I thought Mr Lowe was already doing that

 

It´s unreal. How the **** did Wilde ever become a sucessful businessman?:confused:

[Delmary]

Oh dear, the lights are on but nobody is home - you are failing to distinguish between the financial consequences of results on the football pitch compared to deliberate actions off the pitch. That is not hypocrisy, it's understanding that relegation is a fixed risk for any football club - the costs of that are absolute and cannot really be altered, but Lowe didn't *choose* to get the team relegated. Increasing the size of the board is something which can be controlled - Wilde *chose* to do that. Paying money out of the club to fund his expenses was something Wilde *chose* to do. Bringing in Dulieu despite the obvious issues with CapCon was something Wilde *chose* to do. Can you really not see the difference?

 

 

 

Yes, just as now when you are trying to claim the entire club was doomed to administration the second we got relegated, I will still maintain that is an hysterical overreaction (not in the ha ha sense either) - it is manageable.

 

 

 

Chortle, still trotting out that line? I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the stadium naming yet? :-)

 

 

 

Exactly, so you're agreeing it was manageable and not the end of Saints because we happened to get relegated 4 seasons ago?

 

 

 

I suggest you re-read what I wrote, I didn't say it was one-sided - I was referring to how it was obvious what we were getting with Wilde and it's no good complaining about it now. Again, you are concentrating on the minutae whilst missing the rather bigger picture, but that's always been the case I guess.

 

Unfortunately, given your position as Trust Chairman at the time, you are one of the biggest pawns in the whole episode - the lack of questioning, the lack of integrity over the share proxies, that set the path of a trouble-free path for Wilde to do what he pleased. Even with a printed manifesto there was absolutely no questioning from the Trust when the payment was made to Vantis, the back-tracking on board size, the lack of due diligence on Wilde's claims, Trant's lies about investment, his non-attendance at the AGM... the list goes on and on.

Please stop defending your boy friend, it's embarrassing;). Wilde, Crouch, Lowe are all equally to blame, end of.

[ART]

Please stop defending your boy friend, it's embarrassing;). Wilde, Crouch, Lowe are all equally to blame, end of.

 

Maybe on Saturday with such an abismal performance, Jan and the players were trying to put their views across prior to the AGM. Certainly is beginning to look that way.

[ART]

It´s unreal. How the **** did Wilde ever become a sucessful businessman?:confused:

 

From a very early age he mastered certain skills with his hands and quickly went on to become a high performance W A N K E R. The fact that he is unable to appear tomorrow and the reasons he gave give you a clue where his money came from and why he's unable to be at the AGM. Family to most is a wife and kids, to the likes of those doing business in Asia, Family has a complete alternative meaning.