New Keeper / David Marshall Interest

[david in sweden]

I see the Daily Mail has resurrected this story that I first read - even before the end of last season....

 

the Mail, it seems, has quoted that Saints have bid £8 million, about half (they say) of Cardiff's valuation of the keeper - where did they get that figure from, I wonder?

 

.....Certainly not tapping Les' phone, but maybe they have someone who is I.T.N...? However, this promises to become an interesting storyline for the next week or so ....one way or another.

 

....whatever the out come...perhaps Cardiff may recall that Paulo Gazzaniga kept a clean sheet when Saints beat Cardiff 3-0 last December...? At any rate it might be a carrot for a part-ex deal ?

[CWD]

Marshall is a really good keeper but I'd still rather get Forster, would probably be available at a similar price too.

 

I can't see us mugging them off to the extent that they would take Gazzaniga!

[kpturner]

ITN??

[jamesfp1]

In the news?

[david in sweden]

ITN??

 

whoops..sorry:blush:

 

it seems that those really dedicated posters (more than 12 posts-a-day type) ..use the term " IN THE KNOW" (hence ITN)....when they claim to get inside info. from Staplewood / SMS.

[NickG]

Assuming we are in the market for a new keeper, I am interested in posters views on potential targets.

Would a new signing start as first choice? Should we go for a younger keeper?

 

I hate the arrogance I see at other clubs, fans assuming players are there for the taking so I'm not assuming these will automatically be achievable;

Marshal

Forster

Foster

Vorm

Anyone else?

Marshall seems to be at a very good level, but Forster is younger, could he get better with Watson?

[Goatboy]

ITN??

 

I think not.

[Danbert]

DO they? Well I NEVER, now where did I LEAVE my green INK

[Baird of the land]

Really don't think Marshall offers any value for money. Plus unless its because Boruc is off we'd never be able to keep both happy. I'd prefer someone like Mccarthy who i think is talented but might be amenable to playing 2nd fiddle temporarily to Boruc.

[scotty]

DO they? Well I NEVER, now where did I LEAVE my green INK

 

Its nice to know I'm not the only one driven barmy by that.

[SaintRobbie]

Great signing. Much as I love Buroc, for me we've always needed a better keeper.

 

Boruc as understudy to Marshall works for me.... And he has experience of a relegation dog fight..... which until we make some ambitious signings may be where we are heading. (odds reduced to 6-1, they were 14-1 at start of WC). But, with these sort of signings.... we're going to be ok.

[irene]

Great signing. Much as I love Buroc, for me we've always needed a better keeper.

 

Boruc as understudy to Marshall works for me.... And he has experience of a relegation dog fight..... which until we make some ambitious signings may be where we are heading. (odds reduced to 6-1, they were 14-1 at start of WC). But, with these sort of signings.... we're going to be ok.

 

Boruc will NEVER play understudy to Marshall and they have history as well

[Mmm Donuts]

Just on Sky sports news that we have made some form of enquiry for Forster.

[david in sweden]

Boruc will NEVER play understudy to Marshall and they have history as well

 

they do? ..really ?

 

..in which case.... Artur has 9 months to get himself sorted, I think his contract goes out in a year ..?

[Wadge]

Forster would be my choice.

[irene]

they do? ..really ?

 

..in which case.... Artur has 9 months to get himself sorted, I think his contract goes out in a year ..?

 

ye he is a free agent come january

[St Chalet]

ye he is a free agent come january

 

June

[disconnect]

Replacing Boruc should be the least of our priorities... Striker, Left Back, Potentially Centre Back, Attacking midfielder all more important at this stage.

[Saint86]

Can you see us doing business with Tan, the man is a rich maniac... He will ask for a fortune for any player he wants to keep, and even if we offered it he still might not take it.

 

(Wonders what would have happened had we still had cortese in charge)

 

Long story short, I can't see people buying Cardiff's key players unless it is for stupid money. Ironic that its harder to get players out of a championship team who just got relegated than a premier league team on the up who are rich and just had their best ever premier league season.

[Matthew Le God]

Replacing Boruc should be the least of our priorities... Striker, Left Back, Potentially Centre Back, Attacking midfielder all more important at this stage.

 

Its possible to have more than one transfer on the go at a time. The Pelle and Tadic deals are also in motion, others maybe as well that we don't know about yet.

 

I'd say goalkeeper competition is required, we look extremely vulnerable whenever Boruc is injured, Gazzaniga and K.Davis aren't making him fight for his place as the arrival of Marshall or Forster would.

Edited 7 July, 2014 by Matthew Le God

[pap]

Isn't Ochoa still a free agent?

[Goatboy]

Its possible to have more than one transfer on the go at a time.

 

I'd say goalkeeper competition is required, we look extremely vulnerable whenever Boruc is injured, Gazzaniga and K.Davis aren't making him fight for his place as the arrival of Marshall or Forster would.

 

Agree.

[Killers Knee]

Jack Butland is top drawer but already at Stoke.

[Badger]

Can you see us doing business with Tan, the man is a rich maniac... He will ask for a fortune for any player he wants to keep, and even if we offered it he still might not take it.

 

(Wonders what would have happened had we still had cortese in charge)

 

Long story short, I can't see people buying Cardiff's key players unless it is for stupid money. Ironic that its harder to get players out of a championship team who just got relegated than a premier league team on the up who are rich and just had their best ever premier league season.

 

 

I suspect it will be easier to buy Forster from Celtic than Marshall from Cardiff.

[DuncanRG]

I'd be made up with Forster or Marshall.

 

Plenty of good keepers at the World Cup though you'd have to make sure they're half decent for their clubs. Keylor Navas?

[Secret Site Agent]

ITN??

 

I thought it was Independant Television News.

[disconnect]

Its possible to have more than one transfer on the go at a time. The Pelle and Tadic deals are also in motion, others maybe as well that we don't know about yet.

 

I'd say goalkeeper competition is required, we look extremely vulnerable whenever Boruc is injured, Gazzaniga and K.Davis aren't making him fight for his place as the arrival of Marshall or Forster would.

 

Very true. Davis and Gazzaniga arent really good enough at this level (still holding out a bit of hope for Gazza after maybe a lower league loan) - I would just think somebody as an understudy rather than spending a massive amount on a keeper would be a better plan at this stage.

[Batman]

they are saying the same about us selling players.........they want £15m for him and say they should not sell for a penny less

[DT]

Ask him to sulk and go on strike etc. Should work. ;-)

[The9]

Neither of those keepers is worth over £12m, and even that's silly money. They are the two I'd be most interested in us signing though.

[The9]

Would you say being relegated reduces the ability to hold out for a higher price?

 

I wouldn't - with the parachutes now, they're good for a full 3 years paying their Prem squad - even before the recent hike you could have 2 years with the Prem squad on the same money without worrying about admin if you didn't go up. It's the player's decision on whether they want to risk being a "Championship player" when their next contract renewal is up basically.

[Baird of the land]

Boruc will NEVER play understudy to Marshall and they have history as well

 

Agree think there's zero chance of Boruc accepting playing deputy to a big money purchase keeper.

[Batman]

Would you say being relegated reduces the ability to hold out for a higher price?

 

dunno, they have huge parachute payments and isnt old vinny tan minted?

[Batman]

Agree think there's zero chance of Boruc accepting playing deputy to a big money purchase keeper.

 

he should make sure he keeps the shirt. it is his to lose, really

[Baird of the land]

he should make sure he keeps the shirt. it is his to lose, really

 

Hardly, if Saints sign a keeper for 8-12m, that keeper will be first choice. Just as Liverpool signed Mignolet and shipped out Reina. Just as Chelsea have loaned out Courtois repeatedly because they had Cech.

[Batman]

Hardly, if Saints sign a keeper for 8-12m, that keeper will be first choice. Just as Liverpool signed Mignolet and shipped out Reina. Just as Chelsea have loaned out Courtois repeatedly because they had Cech.

 

in that case, we will need to sign two keepers, as gazza or kelvin as No.2 is simply not good enough

[Baird of the land]

in that case, we will need to sign two keepers, as gazza or kelvin as No.2 is simply not good enough

 

I agree

 

Personally i'd prefer to keep Boruc(who looked good last season), not buy Marshall(who seems way over priced to me too) & instead go after someone slightly younger like Alex Mccarthy who might be happier spending a season as understudy to Boruc.

[angelman]

Replacing Boruc should be the least of our priorities... Striker, Left Back, Potentially Centre Back, Attacking midfielder all more important at this stage.

 

After his excellent display at Arsenal, Boruc is being moved up to partner Gallagher.

[teenagegsaint]

After a smashing World Cup and a superb season at Levante I'd love us to go for Keylor Navas. £8m release clause.

[buctootim]

Not convinced by Marshall for that kind of money.

[Batman]

Not convinced by Marshall for that kind of money.

 

one of the best keepers in the league last year IMO

[buctootim]

one of the best keepers in the league last year IMO

 

He was, agree - but for long periods of his career he's been out of form and been dropped or backup - although admittedly some of that was injury related. Don't forget Boruc was brought in to replace him at Celtic and he's only ever been third choice for Scotland. For £8m plus you'd expect someone a bit less patchy.

Edited 7 July, 2014 by buctootim

[stevy777_x]

You could get some fantastic keepers in Europe with that sort of money.

Think prices in England are really inflated, and explain why european clubs never go for English players.

 

Not convinced with that move, 4m maybe but 8m is an ennormous sum of money for an inconsistent keeper.

[Matthew Le God]

Don't forget Boruc was brought in to replace him at Celtic.

 

Thats a little unfair on Marshall.

 

A 25 year old international Artur Boruc joined Celtic for the 2005/06 season, David Marshall was only 20 years old at the time and not a regular before Boruc joined.

[buctootim]

Thats a little unfair on Marshall.

 

A 25 year old Artur Boruc joined Celtic for the 2005/06 season, David Marshall was only 20 years old at the time and not a regular before Boruc joined.

 

Agree its not directly comparable, just an odd symmetry about it. It's more worrying that successive Scotland managers have rated him behind Craig Gordon, Allan McGregor and even Matt Gilks at Burnley.

Edited 7 July, 2014 by buctootim

[saint1977]

Still think Boruc is better, he just played in a much better team and didn't have to make loads of saves each match. Marshall still conceded a lot of goals and made errors.

 

Tend to agree. Friends who are Norwich fans thought he was poor for them after a decent first season and played a big part in their relegation to L1. I'm sure he's improved since then but it's still dangerous for people to want us to buy him based on one worldy display at SMS. I'm sure the backroom and scouting staff will have watched him over a far longer period but whoever suggested Alex McCarthy at Reading I agree with, he makes less 'camera saves' than Marshall but looks to have a far better command of his area. I've a feeling Marshall could turn out to be a bit of a Paul Jones - great first PL season but then weaknesses were exposed.

[lloydie]

The Costa Rican 'Keeper, Navas, has a release clause of £8m(could be €'s?) if Atletico Madrid don't go for him I think he'd be very attainable and solid.

[Baird of the land]

If we are planning to ship Boruc out and money is no object then Forster is good. Not overly a fan of Marshall, very highly priced and overperformed last season imo. As i've said repeatedly i've been highly impressed by Alex Mccarthy of reading everytime i've seen him & think he'd be very good value for money and a decent age to boot.

[Whitey Grandad]

If we are planning to ship Boruc out and money is no object then Forster is good. Not overly a fan of Marshall, very highly priced and overperformed last season imo. As i've said repeatedly i've been highly impressed by Alex Mccarthy of reading everytime i've seen him & think he'd be very good value for money and a decent age to boot.

 

We need two top quality keepers. We saw what happened when Artur was out for a period.

[Gordon Mockles]

one of the best keepers in the league last year IMO

 

Agreed. Don't understand the scepticism. Marshall is a very talented keeper and made some outstanding saves for a struggling Cardiff team. Still, at least our Scouts recognise that. Forster also good but I haven't seen enough of the latter to give a fair comparison.