The New Board - Case to answer?

[hutch]

I think you should reconsider being a Saints Fan as I dont think the Club will ever meet your expectations.

 

We will have a difficult season but with fans like you criticsing all the time it is not going to help the situation in anyway

I agree. We would make you very welcome if you decide to join us

[Saint IQ]

Cloaked asset strip. Jesus.

 

Haha, Arsenal don't disclose any of there transfers apart from maybe Ozil to make a point.

[kpturner]

Just like we wanted 30M for Adam and 40M for Luke, in the end, both went for less. Lovren will go and it won't be for 25M.

A few "made up" facts there by the sound of it.

[Smirking_Saint]

A few "made up" facts there by the sound of it.

 

Where ? It was reported we wanted 35m for Lallana who went for 23-25 heavily made up by add ons

 

Not so sure about shaw but yes, it was reported we wanted 40m and yes he went for less.

 

Lovren will go, my bet is itll be less than 20m

[Saint IQ]

Cloaked asset strip. Jesus.

 

Where ? It was reported we wanted 35m for Lallana who went for 23-25 heavily made up by add ons

 

Not so sure about shaw but yes, it was reported we wanted 40m and yes he went for less.

 

Lovren will go, my bet is itll be less than 20m

 

So if it's 'reported' that means it was fact?

[Dig Dig]

So if it's 'reported' that means it was fact?

 

I take it you're not taking notice of any reports or referencing them this summer?

[Smirking_Saint]

So if it's 'reported' that means it was fact?

 

Says the man who 'hails' a mystery poster on a fans message board ?!?

 

I agree, all hail Guan!

[kpturner]

Where ? It was reported we wanted 35m for Lallana who went for 23-25 heavily made up by add ons

 

Not so sure about shaw but yes, it was reported we wanted 40m and yes he went for less.

 

Lovren will go, my bet is itll be less than 20m

 

"It was reported....." Yeah OK. Thanks

 

Genuine request:

 

Let me see the the report that says we wanted £40m for Shaw.

 

Let me see the report that shows the breakdown of the Lallana deal - or even one that said we wanted £35m. I want to judge the sources for myself before accepting it as fact. I haven't even seen the report that says that we want £25m for Lovren yet, but then I don't read the papers much.

[Smirking_Saint]

"It was reported....." Yeah OK. Thanks

 

Genuine request:

 

Let me see the the report that says we wanted £40m for Shaw.

 

Let me see the report that shows the breakdown of the Lallana deal - or even one that said we wanted £35m. I want to judge the sources for myself before accepting it as fact. I haven't even seen the report that says that we want £25m for Lovren yet, but then I don't read the papers much.

 

Look for it yourself mate, not hard to find

 

Bothers me not if you believe it, its happened

[kpturner]

Look for it yourself mate, not hard to find

 

Bothers me not if you believe it, its happened

Well, actually it is very hard to find, so I'll stick to regarding it as speculative nonsense rather than fact.

 

Thanks anyway.

[Smirking_Saint]

Well, actually it is very hard to find, so I'll stick to regarding it as speculative nonsense rather than fact.

 

Thanks anyway.

 

No problem

 

All part of care in the community

[Batman]

Well, actually it is very hard to find, so I'll stick to regarding it as speculative nonsense rather than fact.

 

Thanks anyway.

not hard to find at all. infact, it was very easy with google

[Ohio Saint]

not hard to find at all. infact, it was very easy with google

 

You can find a naked pic of the Queen with Google. That doesn't make it real.

[kpturner]

not hard to find at all. infact, it was very easy with google

Just post the link then - the one that says we wanted £35m for Lallana will do. I'll take a read and decide if I think its fact or fiction. If I am totally honest, I did read an aticle about wanting £40m for Shaw back in June but dismissed it as nonsense. Are you saying you think it was true? I am going to have to take more notice of these articles if that is the case.

[kpturner]

Actually, I just googled "saints wanted £35m for lallana" and ended up back on this thread. I guess its true then.

[Goatboy]

You can find a naked pic of the Queen with Google. That doesn't make it real.

 

Takes down picture from bathroom.

[Batman]

Just post the link then - the one that says we wanted £35m for Lallana will do. I'll take a read and decide if I think its fact or fiction. If I am totally honest, I did read an aticle about wanting £40m for Shaw back in June but dismissed it as nonsense. Are you saying you think it was true? I am going to have to take more notice of these articles if that is the case.

just put the subject matter into google

 

why is that so hard?

[kpturner]

Takes down picture from bathroom.

 

[Saint IQ]

Says the man who 'hails' a mystery poster on a fans message board ?!?

 

What has that got to do with my question? 'all hail guan' was a bit of tongue and cheek yet also a very suitible phrase to use.

 

"says the man who praises mystery ITK poster on a message board for the club he loves"

 

That's what you're saying

[Ohio Saint]

Takes down picture from bathroom.

 

.

[kpturner]

just put the subject matter into google

 

why is that so hard?

It isn't hard - when you are looking for something that exists. I cannot find anything that tells me as a matter of fact that we wanted £35m for Lallana. As I already stated, top of the results list was this thread!. However, as you have already found it easily it will save time if you just post the link.

[Ohio Saint]

just put the subject matter into google

 

why is that so hard?

 

um....I reckon the burden of proof lies with you in this case. HTH

[Batman]

It isn't hard - when you are looking for something that exists. I cannot find anything that tells me as a matter of fact that we wanted £35m for Lallana. As I already stated, top of the results list was this thread!. However, as you have already found it easily it will save time if you just post the link.

ok, you are just being odd.

[Dig Dig]

I saw 30M wanted for Lallana but whether it's 30 or 35, he went for less. To the original point of KP, asking for inflated fee's and settling for less isn't a show of strength.

[kpturner]

ok, you are just being odd.

Cant find it either then? Ok here goes.....but beware of the recursive loop: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=saints+wanted+%C2%A335m+for+lallana&l=1

[Goatboy]

Yep, I've noticed the past few days as the club collapses before our eyes that you have absolutely nothing to say...

 

The younger players are obviously worried about the club collapsing:

 

Jordan Turnbull ‏@JordanTurnbull_ 10m

New transformers is unrealllllll! What a film ???

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[farawaysaint]

The younger players are obviously worried about the club collapsing:

 

Jordan Turnbull ‏@JordanTurnbull_ 10m

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It's coded, Saints are "transforming" into relegation fodder. Jordan knows what's up.

[kpturner]

I saw 30M wanted for Lallana but whether it's 30 or 35, he went for less. To the original point of KP, asking for inflated fee's and settling for less isn't a show of strength.

Getting over the odds for both Shaw and Lallana was good business by the Board IMHO. OK, I know that the term "over the odds" is moot - a matter for debate. I just happen to have a different view to many, but I am not alone by any means. Lovren is making a big fuss, to the point that it might be better for everyone if he was sold - but I still think if we get over £20m that will also be a good deal financially - just not necessarily for Koeman. Let's see how it pans out (Lovren that is).

[Goatboy]

It's coded, Saints are "transforming" into relegation fodder. Jordan knows what's up.

 

Jordan Turnbull ‏@JordanTurnbull_ 4m

Optimus prime is suchhhh a Bossman #prime

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RK or Big Kat?

[Doctoroncall]

Thanks Guan. That's about a positive a list as can be.

 

We're competing with the teams above us. Not the teams below.

 

And losing out! This is where the scouting team need to earn their money and get those hidden gems before the bigger teams come in.

[farawaysaint]

Jordan Turnbull ‏@JordanTurnbull_ 4m

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RK or Big Kat?

 

Cortese was the "Bossman" if you will, Jordan is stating in no uncertain terms that he's also disillusioned since his father figure/chairman/footballing genius left and he'd like a transfer to Liverpool please?

[Gingeletiss]

I really don't know why some of you bother with Saints you obviously hate everything about us, and find it it hard on your blood pressure. The same names who have had doomsayer posts over many a subject these last few years, are once again shouting the loudest, and trying to convince all and sunder, that we should all adopt a 'chicken licken' thought process. Me personally, at 60 years old, I have seen us in good clothes and rags, but at all times, we stood tall, and will do so again. Those that don't want to play for Saints, well, let them go, same with some of you so called 'fans' (short for fanatics by the way), not liking it at the mo, then sod of and support some glory team, Saints will be better of without you.

[Miffy]

I really don't know why some of you bother with Saints you obviously hate everything about us, and find it it hard on your blood pressure. The same names who have had doomsayer posts over many a subject these last few years, are once again shouting the loudest, and trying to convince all and sunder, that we should all adopt a 'chicken licken' thought process. Me personally, at 60 years old, I have seen us in good clothes and rags, but at all times, we stood tall, and will do so again. Those that don't want to play for Saints, well, let them go, same with some of you so called 'fans' (short for fanatics by the way), not liking it at the mo, then sod of and support some glory team, Saints will be better of without you.

 

This

 

(except I'm not quite 60)

[Professor]

Three things where the Board have struggled are:

1. The silence. After the last game of the season when press speculation was rife about the manager and various players leaving, the club made no public announcements for at least two weeks. Fans were concerned at the time and comments were made by The Echo about the 'silence'. Bids had been received and could have been publicly rejected. The failure to state that players would not be leaving if the manager left, may be why the players, and not just the ones subject to the bids, thought the door was open for them to break their contracts.

2. The sale of Lambert. There was no reason to sell Lambert, on the contrary there was every reason to retain him while the club appointed the new manager. Selling a player just because he would like to play for a different team sent the wrong message to the football world and to the club's players.

3. Failure restate the vision of the European Football project with sufficient force. Passing comments in Les Reed's interview may have been intended to convey that message but it did not carry enough conviction to indicate the Board (of Katerina) were really determined down that line with the clear vision set by the former chairman.

The club tried to recover the position, initially with the interview by Krueger, but that failed badly. The interview was all presentation and no substance. Krueger made statements that seemed unlikely when he said them, such as implying that the club would announce the names on the manager short-list, which patently, no responsible organisation would do, and what he said about not selling key players proved not to be the club's true position.

 

Given the massive sum received from The Premier League for prize money and TV money, it is hard to believe that the club had a financial need to sell any key players. On the contrary, fans were told before any players were sold that there were already funds available to strengthen and players had been identified. Those players in the squad on long contracts could all have been required to see those contracts out. Any player refusing to do that would have damaged his own career far more than he would have damaged the club, so any threats of 'striking' could have been confronted. As we can now see, having failed to take a strong line has weakened the Board to the extent that many people no longer believe what they are told and it appears that goes for the players as well as the fans.

 

Only the Board can know what they will do now. They can fight to keep the remaining star players who want to leave and that remains an opinion now just as it always was with those who were allowed to go. Or they can clear out those who want to leave and make a fresh start. The second option isn't where many fans would have wanted us to be and it might mean a difficult season ahead, even if several new players are brought in, but it could be in the best long-term interests of the team. One proviso though, this situation must not be repeated. In future the club must make it clear that when a player signs a contract he will be held to it until such time as it is in the club's interests to let him go and then they must stick to that.

In the meantime, as well as the two signings that are being speculated on, which, early on Monday morning remain only speculation, the Board need to get a move on and sign several others to boost the squad and to do so BEFORE the season begins. Points dropped in August are not recoverable by bringing in players in September, but the people running the club will know that well enough. Hopefully.

[CB Fry]

Three things where the Board have struggled are:

1. The silence. After the last game of the season when press speculation was rife about the manager and various players leaving, the club made no public announcements for at least two weeks. Fans were concerned at the time and comments were made by The Echo about the 'silence'. Bids had been received and could have been publicly rejected. The failure to state that players would not be leaving if the manager left, may be why the players, and not just the ones subject to the bids, thought the door was open for them to break their contracts.

2. The sale of Lambert. There was no reason to sell Lambert, on the contrary there was every reason to retain him while the club appointed the new manager. Selling a player just because he would like to play for a different team sent the wrong message to the football world and to the club's players.

3. Failure restate the vision of the European Football project with sufficient force. Passing comments in Les Reed's interview may have been intended to convey that message but it did not carry enough conviction to indicate the Board (of Katerina) were really determined down that line with the clear vision set by the former chairman.

The club tried to recover the position, initially with the interview by Krueger, but that failed badly. The interview was all presentation and no substance. Krueger made statements that seemed unlikely when he said them, such as implying that the club would announce the names on the manager short-list, which patently, no responsible organisation would do, and what he said about not selling key players proved not to be the club's true position.

 

Given the massive sum received from The Premier League for prize money and TV money, it is hard to believe that the club had a financial need to sell any key players. On the contrary, fans were told before any players were sold that there were already funds available to strengthen and players had been identified. Those players in the squad on long contracts could all have been required to see those contracts out. Any player refusing to do that would have damaged his own career far more than he would have damaged the club, so any threats of 'striking' could have been confronted. As we can now see, having failed to take a strong line has weakened the Board to the extent that many people no longer believe what they are told and it appears that goes for the players as well as the fans.

 

Only the Board can know what they will do now. They can fight to keep the remaining star players who want to leave and that remains an opinion now just as it always was with those who were allowed to go. Or they can clear out those who want to leave and make a fresh start. The second option isn't where many fans would have wanted us to be and it might mean a difficult season ahead, even if several new players are brought in, but it could be in the best long-term interests of the team. One proviso though, this situation must not be repeated. In future the club must make it clear that when a player signs a contract he will be held to it until such time as it is in the club's interests to let him go and then they must stick to that.

In the meantime, as well as the two signings that are being speculated on, which, early on Monday morning remain only speculation, the Board need to get a move on and sign several others to boost the squad and to do so BEFORE the season begins. Points dropped in August are not recoverable by bringing in players in September, but the people running the club will know that well enough. Hopefully.

Reheated waffle, again desperate to make the point that these players would never ever have even considered doubling/tripling their wages and playing Champions league if only the club had made a slightly different statement at a slightly different time.

 

And I like the new "why didn't they say" grizzle around our ambitions to play in Europe. Because Les Reed ruined all the bed wetters fun by actually saying it, Prof now is reduced to saying he needs to have said it "more forcefully". Okay then.

 

And no, we had no financial need to sell the players. That has been stated before. Pretty forcefully too.

 

What's the betting the next time Les makes a statement, you'll tear into it?

Edited 7 July, 2014 by CB Fry

[70's Mike]

I really don't know why some of you bother with Saints you obviously hate everything about us, and find it it hard on your blood pressure. The same names who have had doomsayer posts over many a subject these last few years, are once again shouting the loudest, and trying to convince all and sunder, that we should all adopt a 'chicken licken' thought process. Me personally, at 60 years old, I have seen us in good clothes and rags, but at all times, we stood tall, and will do so again. Those that don't want to play for Saints, well, let them go, same with some of you so called 'fans' (short for fanatics by the way), not liking it at the mo, then sod of and support some glory team, Saints will be better of without you.

 

this ,60 as well, but in that period we as fans have always held the Board to account if things do not smell right.

me i will be standing as tall as i can these days in support of the team BUT i do not think that involves carte blanche support of the board if i am not happy with how they are running the club

[adrian lord]

Big ting a Guan.

[aintforever]

2. The sale of Lambert. There was no reason to sell Lambert, on the contrary there was every reason to retain him while the club appointed the new manager. Selling a player just because he would like to play for a different team sent the wrong message to the football world and to the club's players.

 

Agree 100%. I hated all this "isn't it nice he's gone to his childhood club" ******.

 

We gave away our most important player for a song and basically sent a message to the entire squad that if you fancy moving somewhere else we will not attempt to stand in your way.

[Snozzler]

Yawn. Been following this for a while but you guys worry too much. Chill out for the summer is what I say.

 

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[Unbelievable Jeff]

Agree 100%. I hated all this "isn't it nice he's gone to his childhood club" ******.

 

We gave away our most important player for a song and basically sent a message to the entire squad that if you fancy moving somewhere else we will not attempt to stand in your way.

 

But by the sound of things it didn't matter as they'd all decided they wanted out prior to Lambert leaving...

[Saint86]

just put the subject matter into google

 

why is that so hard?

 

Actually, I just googled "saints wanted £35m for lallana" and ended up back on this thread. I guess its true then.

 

kpturner 3 - 0 Batman

 

Back of the net!!

 

[Wes Tender]

Spot on.

 

Especially when you add the fact that we never buy PL players so anyone we get will either be adjusting to a higher level and/or a new country, culture etc.

 

The signings being good on the face of it is only half the battle. Could use a couple of good, solid PL players.

 

Need one a week til end of window to do what we need to, hard to see us managing that and extending the contracts of Cork and Fonte.

 

This is just so much p*ss and wind. Which PL players are these you want us to buy? The ones that are doing well with the big teams that they will want to keep, or the ones from the lower down teams that will probably not improve us? And it isn't even the case that a player who does well at one PL club, is guaranteed to do well at another. And part of the reason that we don't buy PL players is because we produce our own from our academy, the likes of Lallana, Shaw, Chambers, Bale, Walcott, Oxlade- Chamberlain, etc. As for those imports, you presumably believe that any of them we buy will be from inferior leagues to ours, like the German, Spanish, Italian, Brazilian or Argentinan, so that it will be a step up for them playing in the English PL, won't it? And there have been a few players who come in from the continent who do manage to make an impact over here right away, too many of them for me to even bother listing as examples. .

[Wes Tender]

Regarding this debate about the huge sums of money that we have extracted from the two biggest glory clubs in English football. They or their media friends are hardly going to confess to the higher figures, are they, or else it will look even more as if we have pulled their pants down and rogered them. Naturally they will try and talk up what great deals that they have achieved, that they have bought exceptional players with silky talents, their future left back for the next decade, etc, etc. There is no need for the board to put the real details of the purchase price out into the public domain and provided that they can just sit quietly with smug expressions on their faces, and have plans on how to buy better replacements for less outlay with any surplus funds going towards improevements elsewhere in the squad, then we should be satisfied that they have made the best of it.

[ecuk268]

The New Board - Case to answer?

 

Have they offered Jimmy a contract?

 

Brilliant player in his day but getting on a bit now.

[derry]

A football team is a funny old thing to paraphrase Jimmy Greaves, one minute it is performing far better than everybody expected because the blend/chemistry between the players is top notch then for no apparent reason it can't buy a result. It's where we are, towards the end of the season after Rodriguez was injured we were basically one paced and struggling to score. Lallana now says he was watching Liverpool, he hadn't been tapped up had he? we were pretty poor at home to Liverpool, coincidence? Lambert was a good player on borrowed time but the Liverpool interest in him virtually finished him as a Saints player.

 

Shaw was a no brainer once he played for England, he was going, the offer was too good for a left back, still work in progress, for both him and the club.

 

Now Lovren kicking off, £25m is a good price for him good riddance. Schneiderlin may stay, I've not heard of a serious bid yet. Usual Spurs crap and Arsenal targeting Khedira as no1 allegedly. At least he has spoken to Koeman.

 

As far as I am concerned players who don't want to be part of our team will do more harm than good and would make it impossible for the team to perform at it's best. All the squad have got to want to play for us, there is no room for malingerers.

 

As far as Lovren is concerned and as Liverpool appear desperate again we should inform him not to report back and we will let him know in due course where he will be going as we are bringing in a replacement. £25m and he can join Liverpool, otherwise as things stand he has played his last game for Saints and will be loaned out unless things change drastically and he wants to play. Put the ball in his court.

[John B]

A football team is a funny old thing to paraphrase Jimmy Greaves, one minute it is performing far better than everybody expected because the blend/chemistry between the players is top notch then for no apparent reason it can't buy a result. It's where we are, towards the end of the season after Rodriguez was injured we were basically one paced and struggling to score. Lallana now says he was watching Liverpool, he hadn't been tapped up had he? we were pretty poor at home to Liverpool, coincidence? Lambert was a good player on borrowed time but the Liverpool interest in him virtually finished him as a Saints player.

 

Shaw was a no brainer once he played for England, he was going, the offer was too good for a left back, still work in progress, for both him and the club.

 

Now Lovren kicking off, £25m is a good price for him good riddance. Schneiderlin may stay, I've not heard of a serious bid yet. Usual Spurs crap and Arsenal targeting Khedira as no1 allegedly. At least he has spoken to Koeman.

 

As far as I am concerned players who don't want to be part of our team will do more harm than good and would make it impossible for the team to perform at it's best. All the squad have got to want to play for us, there is no room for malingerers.

 

As far as Lovren is concerned and as Liverpool appear desperate again we should inform him not to report back and we will let him know in due course where he will be going as we are bringing in a replacement. £25m and he can join Liverpool, otherwise as things stand he has played his last game for Saints and will be loaned out unless things change drastically and he wants to play. Put the ball in his court.

 

Well put Sir

[Big Bad Bob]

just put the subject matter into google

 

why is that so hard?

 

Because he's just seen the naked picture of the Queen??

[badgerx16]

A football team is a funny old thing to paraphrase Jimmy Greaves, one minute it is performing far better than everybody expected because the blend/chemistry between the players is top notch then for no apparent reason it can't buy a result. It's where we are, towards the end of the season after Rodriguez was injured we were basically one paced and struggling to score. Lallana now says he was watching Liverpool, he hadn't been tapped up had he? we were pretty poor at home to Liverpool, coincidence? Lambert was a good player on borrowed time but the Liverpool interest in him virtually finished him as a Saints player.

 

Shaw was a no brainer once he played for England, he was going, the offer was too good for a left back, still work in progress, for both him and the club.

 

Now Lovren kicking off, £25m is a good price for him good riddance. Schneiderlin may stay, I've not heard of a serious bid yet. Usual Spurs crap and Arsenal targeting Khedira as no1 allegedly. At least he has spoken to Koeman.

 

As far as I am concerned players who don't want to be part of our team will do more harm than good and would make it impossible for the team to perform at it's best. All the squad have got to want to play for us, there is no room for malingerers.

 

As far as Lovren is concerned and as Liverpool appear desperate again we should inform him not to report back and we will let him know in due course where he will be going as we are bringing in a replacement. £25m and he can join Liverpool, otherwise as things stand he has played his last game for Saints and will be loaned out unless things change drastically and he wants to play. Put the ball in his court.

 

Excellent post.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

The Board deserve the summer to do their work before we jump to conclusions but I raised concerns at the start of the summer about the structure of the Board, the footballing experience, and Les Reed. Many chose to shout me down but right now their work doesn't look too good. Time to go to work...

[Block34]

I think, perhaps, the title of the thread may be a little emotive since it seems to presume a trial is needed.

 

My opinion is that the Board should certainly look at it's actions (and the resulting consequences) to see what they should have done better and to learn from that.

 

Fine words I know, but even to this glass-half-full-bought-a-ST-as-soon-as-available-team-shirt-whore, I have felt a little bewidlered at the apparent naivety/innocence/'weakness' of our Board.

 

I think they have made some wrong decisions and then got some good results, but I am so far from the facts and what actually happened is concerned, I cannot judge their performance as such, so I simply state my opinion which right now is, given what currently appears to be going on with ins and outs, I'll mark them as "7/10 - could do better"