Toon Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 The next week or two is HUGE! Im still optimistic it will come good. You've changed since you were diagnosed with terminal cancer. You never used to be like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 You've changed since you were diagnosed with terminal cancer. You never used to be like this. Much like Lallana..... Ive changed. Lifes to short to be negative and think the worst. Gotta have hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 We'll find out just what happened to this years funds only when the financials are released, then we can moan with potentially good reason. Can we hold off on the moaning, on this topic at least, until then though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Things are already looking up :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 The main weakness the board showed was trusting MP. He royally ****ed us over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 We are in a bit of a unique situation, I can't remember any club losing this amount of quality players and management in a summer before. If it is handled well and we could improve the position of the club, it is a great opportunity to strengthen the squad. But make no mistake, if we buy the wrong players, don't invest enough or if the manager isn't up to the job, we could get relegated easily. The Premier League is so competitive, it is a very fine line between where we were last year and relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 We are in a bit of a unique situation, I can't remember any club losing this amount of quality players and management in a summer before. If it is handled well and we could improve the position of the club, it is a great opportunity to strengthen the squad. But make no mistake, if we buy the wrong players, don't invest enough or if the manager isn't up to the job, we could get relegated easily. The Premier League is so competitive, it is a very fine line between where we were last year and relegation. it is indeed. it is a massively relentless league. look at cardiff, they still had quality players that can do some damage. even wigan won the cup and went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 We are in a bit of a unique situation, I can't remember any club losing this amount of quality players and management in a summer before. If it is handled well and we could improve the position of the club, it is a great opportunity to strengthen the squad. But make no mistake, if we buy the wrong players, don't invest enou or if the manager isn't up to the job, we could get relegated easily. The Premier League is so competitive, it is a very fine line between where we were last year and relegation. This is very true. As WBA and Swansea found last season, you can go from the 50+ point mark and looking pretty comfortable, to be dragged into a relegation battle the next season. And those teams didn't have their teams stripped apart either. There is a very fine line and we could well cross it, heck, jump right over it and straight into the quick sand, if we don't have a good pre-season. Still a way to go though, time for it to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Penetralia. Wow. The penis trail is where tokyos walks his dogs on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 . Still a way to go though, time for it to improve. Still time for it to get worse. Lovren is pretty much gone, what about Morgan? Pessimists dream of a summer so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 At the moment we are the laughing stock of the football world.You only need to look at twitter to see the sunday league side jokes say steve and bob the plumber etc lining up for Saints next season. Yes I know its only having a laugh but all the neutrals are saying wtf is going on and tipping us to be relegated. We really really need some good news this week unless more and more Saints fans will be classed as bedwetters by the happy clappers until they open their eyes and see no signings and all our best players gone!! Hope the board quickly show us that they do know what they are doing and are not mickey mouse!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Still time for it to get worse. Lovren is pretty much gone, what about Morgan? Pessimists dream of a summer so far. What we're seeing is unprecedented though, and a lot of it is out of the clubs hands, in that we have seemingly managed to sign a bunch of ****s. I think we need to give the club time to see who they bring in before going in full scale meltdown mode. As I said, if in 2 weeks time we still have no new signings, Morgan and Lovern have gone, and the club are spouting spiel about how we have a good team, then we can have a full scale panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 The main weakness the board showed was trusting MP. He royally ****ed us over! Corky you are spot on! Pocchetino was sly and using our club to his own ends even to the extent of unsettling players and fans alike which is totally depressing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Frankly I'm relaxed about who stays and who goes and who we sign. I'll be disappointed if Lovern & Schniderlin also leave as I've enjoyed watching them, but I won't lose any sleep over it, even if they're not replaced. I'll be optimistic that whoever we sign can offer something to the team as our transfer record over the last 5 years has been more hit than miss, but I won't rant and rave if no ones signed, if we do get players I won't judge on transfer fee or till I've seen them play. I really do just enjoy football in it's purest form. 11 vs 11, whether we field 11 internationals or 11 from the academy. Whether we win or lose I don't care, my only hope is that we compete and I'm entertained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Frankly I'm relaxed about who stays and who goes and who we sign. I'll be disappointed if Lovern & Schniderlin also leave as I've enjoyed watching them, but I won't lose any sleep over it, even if they're not replaced. I'll be optimistic that whoever we sign can offer something to the team as our transfer record over the last 5 years has been more hit than miss, but I won't rant and rave if no ones signed, if we do get players I won't judge on transfer fee or till I've seen them play. I really do just enjoy football in it's purest form. 11 vs 11, whether we field 11 internationals or 11 from the academy. Whether we win or lose I don't care, my only hope is that we compete and I'm entertained. We won't compete if we don't sign any players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 What we're seeing is unprecedented though, and a lot of it is out of the clubs hands, in that we have seemingly managed to sign a bunch of ****s. I think we need to give the club time to see who they bring in before going in full scale meltdown mode. As I said, if in 2 weeks time we still have no new signings, Morgan and Lovern have gone, and the club are spouting spiel about how we have a good team, then we can have a full scale panic. Bed wetting isn't my style, but if Morgan joins Lovren then I don't think it matters who or when we sign them we will be up against it right from the off. Anyone that thinks 5 first team players are going to be signed that are immediately as good as those going out are kidding themselves. Whatever happens this summer the first team will be weaker, probably a lot weaker, and it will take time for those new players to settle, maybe even as long as a season, which is time we don't have. I genuinely think we are amongst the favourites for relegation. And to think I was worried about how Osvaldo would hang around all summer draining resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Bed wetting isn't my style, but if Morgan joins Lovren then I don't think it matters who or when we sign them we will be up against it right from the off. Anyone that thinks 5 first team players are going to be signed that are immediately as good as those going out are kidding themselves. Whatever happens this summer the first team will be weaker, probably a lot weaker, and it will take time for those new players to settle, maybe even as long as a season, which is time we don't have. I genuinely think we are amongst the favourites for relegation. And to think I was worried about how Osvaldo would hang around all summer draining resources. Yep pretty much sums it up for me. This close season has been unprecedented in terms of us being weakened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Yep pretty much sums it up for me. This close season has been unprecedented in terms of us being weakened. Just losing Shaw would have been a serious problem. Lallana, Morgan and Lovren as well. Blimey. Koeman's agent hasn't done his research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 It will come good, my friend. Give the club a week. If it still looks as bad then, come back and call me a blind fool. we shall see but I dont hold much hope that come start of the season, that we will be anything close to the strength of team/squad we had last season. and even then, we had a pretty weak squad in terms of depth we should be a million miles away from Hooiveld being close to the first team, and Sam Gallagher...one if way off the pace and the other looked far to raw....yet that is where we are heading the premier league is utterly relentless and we struggled with a few injuries last season, let alone those players who struggled when they came in to be even closer to first team action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 The main weakness the board showed was trusting MP. He royally ****ed us over! I was beginning to think that I was the only one of that opinion....... (it would seem) that the Board bent over backwards to try and support him and move forward. As it was I think he had it in mind to move on all the time. Now he's gone. Hasta la vista Mauricio.... and good luck at WHL. You'll need it when results start to go badly. Daniel Levy has no sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 (edited) Bed wetting isn't my style, but if Morgan joins Lovren then I don't think it matters who or when we sign them we will be up against it right from the off. Anyone that thinks 5 first team players are going to be signed that are immediately as good as those going out are kidding themselves. Whatever happens this summer the first team will be weaker, probably a lot weaker, and it will take time for those new players to settle, maybe even as long as a season, which is time we don't have. I genuinely think we are amongst the favourites for relegation. And to think I was worried about how Osvaldo would hang around all summer draining resources. Spot on. Especially when you add the fact that we never buy PL players so anyone we get will either be adjusting to a higher level and/or a new country, culture etc. The signings being good on the face of it is only half the battle. Could use a couple of good, solid PL players. Need one a week til end of window to do what we need to, hard to see us managing that and extending the contracts of Cork and Fonte. Edited 6 July, 2014 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 What we're seeing is unprecedented though, and a lot of it is out of the clubs hands, in that we have seemingly managed to sign a bunch of ****s. I think we need to give the club time to see who they bring in before going in full scale meltdown mode. As I said, if in 2 weeks time we still have no new signings, Morgan and Lovern have gone, and the club are spouting spiel about how we have a good team, then we can have a full scale panic. Come on, we didn't manage to sign a massive bunch of ****s at all. Lovren a side, I'm sure the others will have lifelong affinity with Saints, they have all been here long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Bed wetting isn't my style, but if Morgan joins Lovren then I don't think it matters who or when we sign them we will be up against it right from the off. Anyone that thinks 5 first team players are going to be signed that are immediately as good as those going out are kidding themselves. Of course there is the point of view..... that.... good players though they (are / were)...... maybe .....they weren't good quite enough as we didn't qualify for Europe, as so many had hoped. Perhaps we ought allow Ronald Koeman some sort of " honeymoon period " before giving up all hope, especially as we haven't yet seen what his new team sheet will look like. Exactly how good a manager Mauricio Pochettino (is / was) can also be judged in the same period. Daniel Levy seems to be an impatient man with no sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Frankly I'm relaxed about who stays and who goes and who we sign. I'll be disappointed if Lovern & Schniderlin also leave as I've enjoyed watching them, but I won't lose any sleep over it, even if they're not replaced. I'll be optimistic that whoever we sign can offer something to the team as our transfer record over the last 5 years has been more hit than miss, but I won't rant and rave if no ones signed, if we do get players I won't judge on transfer fee or till I've seen them play. I really do just enjoy football in it's purest form. 11 vs 11, whether we field 11 internationals or 11 from the academy. Whether we win or lose I don't care, my only hope is that we compete and I'm entertained. Box of frogs......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Bed wetting isn't my style, but if Morgan joins Lovren then I don't think it matters who or when we sign them we will be up against it right from the off. Anyone that thinks 5 first team players are going to be signed that are immediately as good as those going out are kidding themselves. Whatever happens this summer the first team will be weaker, probably a lot weaker, and it will take time for those new players to settle, maybe even as long as a season, which is time we don't have. I genuinely think we are amongst the favourites for relegation. And to think I was worried about how Osvaldo would hang around all summer draining resources. Yep. And to think a couple of weeks ago those of us who feared this was going to happen were being royally abused on here. No way will we get the players we want now the perception in the football world is that we have no ambition. We are going to struggle big time this season to overcome the massive change we are facing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Lovren had been quoted in the Croatian paper Sportske " Look, I'd gladly stay at Southampton if the Club had ambition, if they kept the key players " Not me saying this, but one of the players who want to leave. ( So, I expect everybody will call him a ranting lunatic now, eh C.B ?? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Yep. And to think a couple of weeks ago those of us who feared this was going to happen were being royally abused on here. No way will we get the players we want now the perception in the football world is that we have no ambition. We are going to struggle big time this season to overcome the massive change we are facing. Have a couple of Toblerones to cheer yourself up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Have a couple of Toblerones to cheer yourself up. Yep, I've noticed the past few days as the club collapses before our eyes that you have absolutely nothing to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyR Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I quite like the championship so win win for me. You don't get royally screwed over there and the league is soooo much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I do like the ridiculous comments that the board is incompetent about Tadic Surely biding on a player that other top clubs appear to want shows that the scouting is top notch. Perhaps we should be bidding for crap players would that make the board look competant If we dont get Tadic it will show that the whole idea of us competing for a CL spot was complete bollix as players are more interested in money than incoherent dreams and they probably realise that CL football at St Mary's was never going to happen unless shed loads of money was to be spent. I cant blame KL for not wanting to give greedy players and greedy agents her money to get in extra players tp live the dream We only have to look at what happened to Pompey and Leeds when they spent too much also a risk analysis on the whole idea of spending £200m plus to get to the CL would highlight the stupidity of the whole idea We just have to accept that we will have to have a rebuilding phase which may take two or three years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Of course there is the point of view..... that.... good players though they (are / were)...... maybe .....they weren't good quite enough as we didn't qualify for Europe, as so many had hoped. Perhaps we ought allow Ronald Koeman some sort of " honeymoon period " before giving up all hope, especially as we haven't yet seen what his new team sheet will look like. Exactly how good a manager Mauricio Pochettino (is / was) can also be judged in the same period. Daniel Levy seems to be an impatient man with no sense of humour. It wasn't the players that we had that were not good enough, it was the players that we didn't have that meant that when the players we had were not available we had no-one to fill in that was adequate. Cover for Boruc (especially), Lovren (i.e Hooiveld), Wanyama/Spiderman/Cork, Lallana and Lambert was poor, and when several of them were unavailable at the same time we were found out (the fact that it all coincided with our difficult fixtures didn't help either). On their day our 1st XI was top 6 or even top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary3009 Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 it is indeed. it is a massively relentless league. look at cardiff, they still had quality players that can do some damage. even wigan won the cup and went down. To be honest we should be looking at the teams that went down to get possible recruitments.The likes of Dejagah and Ruiz from Fulham,Marshall Caulker and Medel from Cardiff and Redmond possibly Ruddy from Norwich.These are all players who i feel could improve the squad,have decent attitudes and unlikely to demand transfers if we don't finish above Chelsea. Could probably even sign all of them for the fee we got from Shaw and Lambert alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Lovren had been quoted in the Croatian paper Sportske " Look, I'd gladly stay at Southampton if the Club had ambition, if they kept the key players " Not me saying this, but one of the players who want to leave. ( So, I expect everybody will call him a ranting lunatic now, eh C.B ?? ) I don't quite get this. What he's saying is "If they keep me I'll stay but if they let me go I'll leave"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I don't quite get this. What he's saying is "If they keep me I'll stay but if they let me go I'll leave"? I think it's more a reference to the fact that it's been known for a while that the club would sell players. April according to Lovren and Vman had said that 3 major players would go around that time. I'm not too sure that the club have been trying all that hard to keep hold of players, I think they would rather the cash over the them in all reality. Their prerogative of course but they will have to step up massively over this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I read guans first post and my instant thought was thanks for the reassurance . He / she is giving us a subtle thumbs up . Then some of the wrist slitters come out and dissect every word and turn it into ultra negative nonsense . Then I thought why does guan bother . Then I realised he knows many of us are decent sensible fans hence his second post . I suspect one of our prime targets is still out in Brazil with their respective World Cup team . So for now I'm not unduly concerned . We will be okay . But then I do where my heart on my sleeve . Or I will do when I can get my left arm into a shirt sleeve . Keep the faith guys I agree, all hail Guan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I think it's more a reference to the fact that it's been known for a while that the club would sell players. April according to Lovren and Vman had said that 3 major players would go around that time. I'm not too sure that the club have been trying all that hard to keep hold of players, I think they would rather the cash over the them in all reality. Their prerogative of course but they will have to step up massively over this summer. Ok then, complete strip down and rebuild. I can take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 This. And Britains best youth system/academy to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Bed wetting isn't my style, but if Morgan joins Lovren then I don't think it matters who or when we sign them we will be up against it right from the off. Anyone that thinks 5 first team players are going to be signed that are immediately as good as those going out are kidding themselves. Whatever happens this summer the first team will be weaker, probably a lot weaker, and it will take time for those new players to settle, maybe even as long as a season, which is time we don't have. I genuinely think we are amongst the favourites for relegation. And to think I was worried about how Osvaldo would hang around all summer draining resources. This People can call be a bedwetter, fact is Ive been all but constantly optimistic, even through our administration. This however is unprecedented, you're exactly right, replacing 5 players, 4 of which are first team (would realistically have been five if not for Ossies issues) is catastrophic. Not only are one or two possibly destined for failure but the upheaval and difficulty to get them to gel ? Its destined for failure Peoples underestimation of our reliance on Morgan is criminal. He is vital, the lynchpin and has been our best player for atleast 3 years. Forget Cork, Victor and Davis, he is better than the three combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Ok then, complete strip down and rebuild. I can take that. Good for you Grandad. Obviously hope it all plays out ok. Massive job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I quite like the championship so win win for me. You don't get royally screwed over there and the league is soooo much better This, we might even get the chance to win the league. Without the premier league prima donnas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 This People can call be a bedwetter, fact is Ive been all but constantly optimistic, even through our administration. This however is unprecedented, you're exactly right, replacing 5 players, 4 of which are first team (would realistically have been five if not for Ossies issues) is catastrophic. Not only are one or two possibly destined for failure but the upheaval and difficulty to get them to gel ? Its destined for failure Peoples underestimation of our reliance on Morgan is criminal. He is vital, the lynchpin and has been our best player for atleast 3 years. Forget Cork, Victor and Davis, he is better than the three combined. Nah, Harrison Reed will come in and will be better IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Just a a few thoughts but anyone wonder IF the Serbian chap won't sign until it is 100% certain that the Croatian chap has left? Also are the board gamboling by not spending money as they expect NC to put an offer in and they don't want him to have a strong squad to start with? Has Guan had it quietly suggested to him that he posts to try and keep the natives quiet as NC will be announced as the new owner very soon? How about them for conspiracy theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 The other thing about Everton, didn't their most recent run of "success" in the Prem begin with them selling a highly rated teenager to Man Utd for around £30m. This next period in the club's history may well require some patience, but financially we have an incredible platform This. And Britains best academy/youth system to boot. I don't expect to pull up any trees in the league next season but a good cup run will be possible and I think we'll be safe from relegation quite easily, squad will be FAR better than the one that came up in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Nah, Harrison Reed will come in and will be better IMO Honestly ? Perhaps, meant to be a good player, but our team balances on a ball winner, thats not Reed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Yep. And to think a couple of weeks ago those of us who feared this was going to happen were being royally abused on here. No way will we get the players we want now the perception in the football world is that we have no ambition. We are going to struggle big time this season to overcome the massive change we are facing. I think you should reconsider being a Saints Fan as I dont think the Club will ever meet your expectations. We will have a difficult season but with fans like you criticsing all the time it is not going to help the situation in anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Funnier things have happened at the club, but the scenario played out since Cortese leaving and how we are today, has me thinking that Cortese himself could be heading for a return. I can't believe Katharina can be happy at all she's hearing and reading in the Media. This is not how she saw things when she failed to persuade Cortese to stay. Yes, she did try, did not want him to leave,. Maybe now the dust has settled, now they both see where the situation is heading, time for a reconciliation will be on the cards. If not Cortese, then time has come for a strong leader to be appointed to lead the club forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Honestly ? Perhaps, meant to be a good player, but our team balances on a ball winner, thats not Reed No, just trying out being all optimistic and completely ignoring the situation at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 If not Cortese, then time has come for a strong leader to be appointed to lead the club forward. What's wrong with Gareth Rodgers exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 No, just trying out being all optimistic and completely ignoring the situation at hand. Ahh cool I reckon we will employ him as the maurading left sided CB, ball winning, creative striker Everythings fine, the player exodus is purely all down to them being money grabbing bastards and getting 5 players into the club is easy. Top 6 and a cup run next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Yep, I've noticed the past few days as the club collapses before our eyes that you have absolutely nothing to say... What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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