UpweySaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Thanks for the insights as usual Guan! As much as I understand the worries of our fans and am inclined to be a tad more pessimistic than Guan about the current state of our squad I do think patience may be required. Clearly the board thought the Tadic deal was as good as done so for Everton to swoop in is unfortunate! If we haven't made any decent signings by August I may be sitting uncomfortably mind you ... I do hope though that we compliment the signings with continuing to promote our academy players. It is a point of pride and a workable longterm strategy of success for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I don't buy the line that under old regime we wouldn't have lost the players and I think the new board have done ok in the fees obtained for those who have left. I am also happy with their choice of new manager. However as said above the PR and statements put out by Rodgers was poor and it is still too soon to judge them on incoming transfers. But with zero in and time moving on they only have a few weeks to sort it out. So whilst not full panic yet there is good cause to challenge as we have to make quite a number of signings to remain competitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 So basically you are saying that losing Lallana and Lambert have effectively doomed us to relegation, because without them the side have no goals or creativity. Maybe so, but I think you do the others a disservice. The reality is that we will be replacing those two anyway hopefully. Well, with J Rod out our next highest scorer was Fonte with erm 3? Davis had 7 assists and after him was Clyne with 4, Lallana and Lambert accounted for 17 assists and 28 goals between them if my math is right? So yes, I think we are massively short of both goals and creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary3009 Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 A week? Ok,deal.If we haven't shown any signs of growth by the 14th then we can panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Is it getting emotional? Or is it just writing a few words in a message board whilst watching true detective (that's what I'm doing.) I'd concentration True Detective if I were you. It's not just about this thread, it's the board in general. People need tovtake a step back and relax, it's the 6th July and people seem to be proper panicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I do not see Everton as a bigger club. I see us as potential equals. They've just had a better board and consistent management over the past few years. Man for man I think our squad is as good. I think Everton over performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I do not see Everton as a bigger club. I see us as potential equals. They've just had a better board and consistent management over the past few years. Man for man I think our squad is as good. I think Everton over performed. I agree completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 "Patience" and "Forum" are uncomfortable bed-fellows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Well, with J Rod out our next highest scorer was Fonte with erm 3? Davis had 7 assists and after him was Clyne with 4, Lallana and Lambert accounted for 17 assists and 28 goals between them if my math is right? So yes, I think we are massively short of both goals and creativity. You do realise that theory just doesn't work don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 A week? Ok,deal.If we haven't shown any signs of growth by the 14th then we can panic. This is my position also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I'd concentration True Detective if I were you. It's not just about this thread, it's the board in general. People need tovtake a step back and relax, it's the 6th July and people seem to be proper panicking. I think most are quite relaxed as I am. I write a lot on here and say I am 'worried' but in reality once I log off from here I barely give it a second thought. Browsing on here is a good way to pass the time but I doubt many are hyperventilating in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I think most are quite relaxed as I am. I write a lot on here and say I am 'worried' but in reality once I log off from here I barely give it a second thought. Browsing on here is a good way to pass the time but I doubt many are hyperventilating in real life. Why do you say you're worried if you're not worried? Quite a strange thing to do don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Guan - really appreciate the snippets. Personally I'm not (yet) worrying. If in 2 weeks we see our mid-league competitors strengthening significantly, and we haven't then I might change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 (edited) Why do you say you're worried if you're not worried? Quite a strange thing to do don't you think? I didn't say I wasn't worried did I? Just that I recognise as I'm sure most do that football isn't that important in the scheme of things and that once I'm not on here I don't really give that sort of thing a second thought. It's not like worrying about something really important like family or something, it's a worry in the context of talking get about saints. I think it's weird if people do actually cry or get really angry about stuff on a message board like some say they do. My demeanour and mood is largely the same when posting on here. Edited 6 July, 2014 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Thanks Guan, you're always a welcome voice of reason Really appreciate the insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Even with more money to play with in the transfer market, we still lose out on targets. Forgive me for being p*ssed off. Which is why the replacement should be signed, sealed and delivered BEFORE those being replaced are allowed to leave. The Lallana deal should not have been completed until the Ink was dry on the Tadic contract. There is never a guarantee you will replace with better than what you already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Which is why the replacement should be signed, sealed and delivered BEFORE those being replaced are allowed to leave. The Lallana deal should not have been completed until the Ink was dry on the Tadic contract. There is never a guarantee you will replace with better than what you already have. Exactly! Been saying that for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Poor Gáston didn't even make Guan's 1st XI in his OP even when we've been stripped of attackers! Forgetfulness? Or hint that's he's off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I cannot find anywhere that Tadic is signing for Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Why do you say you're worried if you're not worried? Quite a strange thing to do don't you think? Just like when you say people are hysterically wetting the bed when quite clearly they won't be. Not like you to be a hypocrite is it Jeff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Thanks guan . It's a pity some have to dissect every word you say and turn it in to an ultra negative perspective . Perhaps some on here love wallowing in total negativity . I still think one of our main targets are still actively involved in Brazil . It's always a gamble when you buy a player . So many have failed or not lived up to expectation . Torres, united and citeh players et al look at osvaldo and Garson . Occasional moments of magic . Look at pahars . There were those that were critical of him . Pelle could be a star . It depends how he is used and understands keomans way of playing . Let's have a bit more positivity guys . And thanks again guan your post was very optimistic for the future . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Just like when you say people are hysterically wetting the bed when quite clearly they won't be. Not like you to be a hypocrite is it Jeff? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I am also unhappy how the club's (and Guan's) line has been to consistently come out and say how strong out first 11 will be without replacing anyone and the strength of the academy... This seriously does not bode well as those players are NOT up to a premier league fight, blood one maybe 2 youngsters a year by all means but if we're relying on the academy and not spending to replace then we are in dire dire trouble. Not seen anyone saying that except to make the point that with a couple of signings we will probably have a stronger team than last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Not seen anyone saying that except to make the point that with a couple of signings we will probably have a stronger team than last year Who thinks that? If can't see how anyone could really think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Impossible to think that we can come out with a stronger squad at the end of this! Near on an impossibility! Over time, maybe, but next season will be a bumpy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Just like when you say people are hysterically wetting the bed when quite clearly they won't be. Not like you to be a hypocrite is it Jeff? Ah, the guy who moaned about the 'summer of inactivity' AFTER signing Wanyama and Lovren last year. This summer, after losing our manager and three of our best players, with at least two more likely to follow, no transfers in and no senior players secured on contracts, everything is apparently dandy and those that dare to criticise the new board are bedwetters. That really is unbelievable, Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 A lot in the press and on this very board over the last few days, about the 'proof' of the inability of the new board and management to carry out 'the dream'. I, for one, have to humbly disagree. Who are we potentially these players to? West Ham, Newcastle, Aston Villa? No! The only clubs that are threatening to diminish our current squad (which we are trying to reinforce btw), are those that were one of only seven to finish above us last season. We had several crown jewels that outshone the lesser lights of those other squads, and now they have tempted them with lucre in the case of Adam/Liverpool, Rebuild a great club/Lucre in the case of Shaw, or Life long loyalty in the case of Rickie. The team has no mass exodus, just a few players who want in on the cash train offered by teams above us. So we will have to replace and improve on them, as Morgan says. The team we are left with, even on its own would finish mid table, with, Boruc, clyne, Fonte, Yoshi, Chambers, Morgan, Big Vic, Cork, Davis, J-Rod, and Ward-Prowse making a highly competitive first eleven. But that will not be the first eleven! It is true that Tadic and Pelle were supposed to be wrapped up by the end of last week, and it seems as if Tadic may join Everton now (another club who are bigger than us. I swear some of our fellow fans think that our eighth place finish put us in the champions league spots). This was, no doubt, the reason for the delays from his agent. Starting now, the undisclosed fee policy (Post-Pelle) will be twinned with the transfer committee becoming the penetralia of the club. For my part, I will restrict myself to smilies hours before a transfer is complete/ So what ever happened to we will lose those we are happy to lose and nobody else will go ? Board looking very amateur right now, hardly filling anyone with any confidence. In a time they needed to stand tall against those they wanted to keep and perhaps pay over the odds once or twice to ensure a signing and steady the ship they are doing the opposite. Ill still give them untill the start of the season before completely making my mind up but this year has ultimately been disasterous already. A hard season beckons with a bottom half finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Well, with J Rod out our next highest scorer was Fonte with erm 3? Davis had 7 assists and after him was Clyne with 4, Lallana and Lambert accounted for 17 assists and 28 goals between them if my math is right? So yes, I think we are massively short of both goals and creativity.Obviously the reality is not quite as clear cut as you would have it - Lallana and Lambert only achieved their stats by virtue not only of their talent, but the work of the other players in the team. I agree they are a big miss, and will hopefully be replaced by equivalent (or better) players - but I still don't equate their absence with certain relegation. That is way too simplistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Impossible to think that we can come out with a stronger squad at the end of this! Near on an impossibility! Over time, maybe, but next season will be a bumpy one. Stronger squad perhaps, but weaker first XI for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I cannot find anywhere that Tadic is signing for Everton. Signing for us according to FC Twente boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Signing for us according to FC Twente boss. He said we are in pole position but other clubs are interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 http://www.rtvoost.nl/sport/betaaldvoetbal.aspx?nid=193481&cat=313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Well that translate to Dusan Tadic's FC Twente to Southampton, England. The attacker did not count this afternoon in the exhibition game against vv Oldenzaal. Alfred Schreuder said afterwards that Tadic did not participate to the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 My translation is: Dusan Tadic's FC Twente to Southampton, England. The attacker did not count this afternoon in the exhibition game against vv Oldenzaal. Alfred Schreuder said afterwards that Tadic did not participate to avoid. Risk of injury The coach expects the transfer will be completed within a few days. There were several clubs interested in the services of the Serbian, but the team of coach Ronald Koeman is now going to draw the longest straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Connor Armstrong @ConnorArmstrong 12m More Tadić and Pellè this week, Koeman speaking to the press, people will be feeling a lot more positive next Sunday. #SaintsFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I'd concentration True Detective if I were you. It's not just about this thread, it's the board in general. People need tovtake a step back and relax, it's the 6th July and people seem to be proper panicking. Oh stop with the patronizing pompous attitude.... Nearly everyone knows this all means nothing in the grand scheme of real life.. It's football and we are just the mugs who pay for obscene wages out of some misguided and juvenile need for belonging and tribalism. Football is just game, and anyone who seriously lets it take over needs help of a medical kind. ..BUt this is a football club forum, so getting emotional, OTT and expressing anger and vitriol is what these things are all about - and the current situation demands a decent level of unashamed over emotive board slagging if ever there was one. Provincial club with ambition selling a key player for 30 mi to big club - fair enough Provincial club with ambition selling the best 5-6 players has not happened before and it's happening under KL and Ralf. Krugers watch - we don't know how Cortese would have handled it but he is not here, so these guys need to explain or deliver - right now these departures are deterring any chance Koeman has of getting a squad together that is capable of ensuring we make a fight of it... finally how can anyone be satisfied with a club NOT doing all it could to build and progress on what we did last season... Which we could have done with say a 20mil spend on a decent CB and a LB cover? Yet we are told by the uber board members that rebuilding is fine....we should just accept mediocrity is what you are really saying... We have gone backwards .. And without any indication that it's part of any succession plan that has ambitions to be more than our previous prem league bottom feeders.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Shouldn't we just get Barcelona to give us the money for Suarez directly? Save all the messing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Disagree on both counts really i.e the board and the squad. There has been plenty of rumblings about the players not having faith with the board. Ask Blackmore. On the squad front if this was our team --------------Boruc----------- Chambers-----Jos/Yos---Fonte---Clyne -----------Cork-----Wanyama----- JWP--------------------------Reed -------Gallagher----Jay------------- We would be in deep **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Disagree on both counts really i.e the board and the squad. There has been plenty of rumblings about the players not having faith with the board. Ask Blackmore. On the squad front if this was our team --------------Boruc----------- Chambers-----Jos/Yos---Fonte---Clyne -----------Cork-----Wanyama----- JWP--------------------------Reed -------Gallagher----Jay------------- We would be in deep **** Add Ramirez & S.Davis, but I get your point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Disagree on both counts really i.e the board and the squad. There has been plenty of rumblings about the players not having faith with the board. Ask Blackmore. What, all of them? Or just the one's that had already received mouth-watering offers from big clubs while they were still under long contracts at Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 West ham the only team to really strengthen as yet, however Southampton are the only team to sell nearly half there starting eleven ( Shaw Lallana lambert so to be Lovren and Morgan). Without the loss of those players saints would have still needed to strengthen especially In attack with Jay out. That leaves us with needing 7+ replacements, the alarm bells SHOULD be ringing, ala Sunderland. With preseason the squad should be gelling. The club looks weak to supporters, players and the media. The tough imagine is no more which NC worked hard to create, unfortunately saints look weaker and pathetic than ever, and you can't blame players for wanting to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 What, all of them? Or just the one's that had already received mouth-watering offers from big clubs while they were still under long contracts at Saints? This is what he said "Players angry at lack of communication to them, some have asked for clarification and not received it - Some irrepairable differences which will lead to quite a few players leaving - Players like Cork and Fonte in the dark over their futures which hasn't gone down well with others - Things have changed a lot since they signed long term contracts and they don't feel they know what is happening, same as fans - Good group of players who are no trouble, so must feel strongly" I take that to mean more then one player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysaint7 Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Guan, if the manager says deal could still be on how come u feel like he likely to go to everton?? U think the everton link being kept quiet or you think he mentioned saints to hurry everton into bidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 The non disclosure of fees perhaps alludes to something, a cloaked asset strip. Sell 70m of players and shell out 20m or less. I hope Iam wrong but if the club think. McQueen Reed etc will just slot in to the rigours of the PL then the club is delusional. At present we have only lost 3 players who could be replaced, add MS DL and then we desperate y need to invest in some quality. How long will Koeman stick this out if our perceived lack of ambition stops players joining ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Football is not like any other business in every respect, but it is in some. If you feel your place in the market is OK and think staying there is enough you will be overtaken rapidly and slide backwards. What NC tried to do here was to change the expectations, which are woefully low both not least amongst the fans. If the belief are that we are only a small club which is doing well to beat relegation, then we have not better future than that, and if we are trying to sign players to improve our position they will not join us because their ambition is higher than ours. Simples! Regardless how this turns out, and I fear that it will be poorly, KL made at least three mistakes: 1. She didn't know what she wanted to do with the club. 2. She appointed the finance guy as CEO and ended up with Reed as the only football person. The CEO needed to be a person with a footballing plan and the leadership qualities to to match it. 3. She appointed RK. Clearly she didn't know where we've been and where we were going, and confused another batch of "positive thinking" with leadership. No, it is not! I don't think that the board is full of bad people, but with so little vision for the future, combined with so little knowledge of the business, bungling is becoming a way of life. As for the fans: Beware that your hopes and dreams for the future becomes mere self delusion. There is plenty of that about type: 'Selling all our best players is a clever plan for building a better team.' (Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...) KL needs to get hold of a plan, a vision for where this club is going and start to promote it. She needs to get hold of a proper leader of the football club instead of the accountant, and maybe the way of doing it is to leave Ralph to slowly drift away and replacing him with an Executive Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 We've had a go at trying to compete with the top 6. We did ok, and tried hard but ultimately failed and now it has spectacularly backfired on us. It's difficult to speculate as to where we would be with NC still here, but with Reed appearing to be the main figure of power, we are a bit of a soft touch as far as other clubs are concerned. We are back in the same position as Newcastle, West Ham, Stoke etc. A mid table side with no great ambition, and no realistic chance of troubling the elite, nothing more than that. It's time for people to accept we hit that glass ceiling very hard and are now falling a long way back down. If we continue to convince ourselves that every academy product is capable of playing in the starting 11 and don't sign 7/8 players, then we are in deep, deep trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 This is what he said "Players angry at lack of communication to them, some have asked for clarification and not received it - Some irrepairable differences which will lead to quite a few players leaving - Players like Cork and Fonte in the dark over their futures which hasn't gone down well with others - Things have changed a lot since they signed long term contracts and they don't feel they know what is happening, same as fans - Good group of players who are no trouble, so must feel strongly" I take that to mean more then one player "Now look what you've made me do" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Boruc Chambers - Yoshida - Fonte - Clyne Wanyama - Cork Tadic - Ramirez - J Rod Pelle Gazzaniga, Targett, Jos, JWP, Reed, Davis, Isgrove, Gallagher Two signings and it already looks decent, clearly just the lack of a first team CB and LB as well as a second striker and rotational winger (first team throughout Rodriguez' injury). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 "Now look what you've made me do" Because you don't believe him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 The non disclosure of fees perhaps alludes to something, a cloaked asset strip. Sell 70m of players and shell out 20m or less. I hope Iam wrong but if the club think. McQueen Reed etc will just slot in to the rigours of the PL then the club is delusional. At present we have only lost 3 players who could be replaced, add MS DL and then we desperate y need to invest in some quality. How long will Koeman stick this out if our perceived lack of ambition stops players joining ? Cloaked asset strip. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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