Guan 2.0 Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 A lot in the press and on this very board over the last few days, about the 'proof' of the inability of the new board and management to carry out 'the dream'. I, for one, have to humbly disagree. Who are we potentially these players to? West Ham, Newcastle, Aston Villa? No! The only clubs that are threatening to diminish our current squad (which we are trying to reinforce btw), are those that were one of only seven to finish above us last season. We had several crown jewels that outshone the lesser lights of those other squads, and now they have tempted them with lucre in the case of Adam/Liverpool, Rebuild a great club/Lucre in the case of Shaw, or Life long loyalty in the case of Rickie. The team has no mass exodus, just a few players who want in on the cash train offered by teams above us. So we will have to replace and improve on them, as Morgan says. The team we are left with, even on its own would finish mid table, with, Boruc, clyne, Fonte, Yoshi, Chambers, Morgan, Big Vic, Cork, Davis, J-Rod, and Ward-Prowse making a highly competitive first eleven. But that will not be the first eleven! It is true that Tadic and Pelle were supposed to be wrapped up by the end of last week, and it seems as if Tadic may join Everton now (another club who are bigger than us. I swear some of our fellow fans think that our eighth place finish put us in the champions league spots). This was, no doubt, the reason for the delays from his agent. Starting now, the undisclosed fee policy (Post-Pelle) will be twinned with the transfer committee becoming the penetralia of the club. For my part, I will restrict myself to smilies hours before a transfer is complete/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 A lot in the press and on this very board over the last few days, about the 'proof' of the inability of the new board and management to carry out 'the dream'. I, for one, have to humbly disagree. Who are we potentially these players to? West Ham, Newcastle, Aston Villa? No! The only clubs that are threatening to diminish our current squad (which we are trying to reinforce btw), are those that were one of only seven to finish above us last season. We had several crown jewels that outshone the lesser lights of those other squads, and now they have tempted them with lucre in the case of Adam/Liverpool, Rebuild a great club/Lucre in the case of Shaw, or Life long loyalty in the case of Rickie. The team has no mass exodus, just a few players who want in on the cash train offered by teams above us. So we will have to replace and improve on them, as Morgan says. The team we are left with, even on its own would finish mid table, with, Boruc, clyne, Fonte, Yoshi, Chambers, Morgan, Big Vic, Cork, Davis, J-Rod, and Ward-Prowse making a highly competitive first eleven. But that will not be the first eleven! It is true that Tadic and Pelle were supposed to be wrapped up by the end of last week, and it seems as if Tadic may join Everton now (another club who are bigger than us. I swear some of our fellow fans think that our eighth place finish put us in the champions league spots). This was, no doubt, the reason for the delays from his agent. Starting now, the undisclosed fee policy (Post-Pelle) will be twinned with the transfer committee becoming the penetralia of the club. For my part, I will restrict myself to smilies hours before a transfer is complete/ So in summary, no Tadic... Feck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Penetralia. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Beer Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Tadic to Everton? I'll be disappointed to see that. Does this mean no possible chance saints can capture him ? Again, thanks for the info ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Sorry mate. As you say even the posts you make have an agenda. It's top 4 or nothing and Everton are not in the top 4 Rather than lose their entire Crown Jewels they appear to be getting our number 1 target We appear to be run by incompetent people. The way we are just allowing so many players leave beggars belief. As you say, tadic is going to Everton, if true, what a sad state of affairs for a club who really need to be assertive and demonstrate we are not this club in crisis the rest of the English football world think we are That squad you listed is no way good enough for mid table. That was a good bit of spin from you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Even with more money to play with in the transfer market, we still lose out on targets. Forgive me for being p*ssed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 A lot in the press and on this very board over the last few days, about the 'proof' of the inability of the new board and management to carry out 'the dream'. I, for one, have to humbly disagree. Who are we potentially these players to? West Ham, Newcastle, Aston Villa? No! The only clubs that are threatening to diminish our current squad (which we are trying to reinforce btw), are those that were one of only seven to finish above us last season. We had several crown jewels that outshone the lesser lights of those other squads, and now they have tempted them with lucre in the case of Adam/Liverpool, Rebuild a great club/Lucre in the case of Shaw, or Life long loyalty in the case of Rickie. The team has no mass exodus, just a few players who want in on the cash train offered by teams above us. So we will have to replace and improve on them, as Morgan says. The team we are left with, even on its own would finish mid table, with, Boruc, clyne, Fonte, Yoshi, Chambers, Morgan, Big Vic, Cork, Davis, J-Rod, and Ward-Prowse making a highly competitive first eleven. But that will not be the first eleven! It is true that Tadic and Pelle were supposed to be wrapped up by the end of last week, and it seems as if Tadic may join Everton now (another club who are bigger than us. I swear some of our fellow fans think that our eighth place finish put us in the champions league spots). This was, no doubt, the reason for the delays from his agent. Starting now, the undisclosed fee policy (Post-Pelle) will be twinned with the transfer committee becoming the penetralia of the club. For my part, I will restrict myself to smilies hours before a transfer is complete/ Thanks for the info, but if we went into the season with that side we would be relegated, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Worse than feared. Starting to worry now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Thanks for the info, but if we went into the season with that side we would be relegated, no doubt. Agreed. I'm usually pretty laid back but I'm seriously starting to worry now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Some of you need to take a break from here. It can't get good for your health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Guan, what do you think the reason is for the club having an undisclosed fee policy now? Surely if we were making big signings it would cheer everyone up to know that the money we raised was being reinvested as promised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I am also unhappy how the club's (and Guan's) line has been to consistently come out and say how strong out first 11 will be without replacing anyone and the strength of the academy... This seriously does not bode well as those players are NOT up to a premier league fight, blood one maybe 2 youngsters a year by all means but if we're relying on the academy and not spending to replace then we are in dire dire trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Worse than feared. Starting to worry now. I'm leaning towards thinking that very little money from the sales will be out back in the team, on top of of prem money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Agreed. I'm usually pretty laid back but I'm seriously starting to worry now. I'm not. Koeman would never have accepted the job under such penal conditions. It would just be annoying if a reasonable target (we're not talking about Keegan here) couldn't be tied up by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I am also unhappy how the club's (and Guan's) line has been to consistently come out and say how strong out first 11 will be without replacing anyone and the strength of the academy... This seriously does not bode well as those players are NOT up to a premier league fight, blood one maybe 2 youngsters a year by all means but if we're relying on the academy and not spending to replace then we are in dire dire trouble. A very good point We will be certs for the drop if that was to be the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Worse than feared. Starting to worry now. Being in a transfer battle with clubs like Everton is hardly the end of the world. We could well lose out on the Tadic deal, but do you not think it is a good sign of the quality of player we are going for rather than living up to the doom-mongers prediction of a relegation scrap with Burnley, West Brom, Aston Villa etc etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Being in a transfer battle with clubs like Everton is hardly the end of the world. We could well lose out on the Tadic deal, but do you not think it is a good sign of the quality of player we are going for rather than living up to the doom-mongers prediction of a relegation scrap with Burnley, West Brom, Aston Villa etc etc? No, it's not a good sign. As it means that we will eventually lower our targets and go for the players West Brom/Aston villa and co are after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Please explain "post pelle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Please explain "post pelle" Pelle fee will be public, any transfer after will be undisclosed fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I am also unhappy how the club's (and Guan's) line has been to consistently come out and say how strong out first 11 will be without replacing anyone and the strength of the academy... This seriously does not bode well as those players are NOT up to a premier league fight, blood one maybe 2 youngsters a year by all means but if we're relying on the academy and not spending to replace then we are in dire dire trouble. This is an ITK snippet I shared not so long ago. There is a keenness within the club to absorb the sales with the academy - McQueen, Gallagher, Harry Reed, JWP, Targett, Chambers. We will replace players and buy players, but the club don't feel the urgency we do - in fact they see no urgency for left back what so ever right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Being in a transfer battle with clubs like Everton is hardly the end of the world. We could well lose out on the Tadic deal, but do you not think it is a good sign of the quality of player we are going for rather than living up to the doom-mongers prediction of a relegation scrap with Burnley, West Brom, Aston Villa etc etc? Fed up with you calling everyone making predictions you disagree with doom mongers. As has already been pointed out to you, the teams with the best players are not always the ones who go down. I am concerned that the longer we go on without making adequate replacements, the more desperate the situation becomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Being in a transfer battle with clubs like Everton is hardly the end of the world. We could well lose out on the Tadic deal, but do you not think it is a good sign of the quality of player we are going for rather than living up to the doom-mongers prediction of a relegation scrap with Burnley, West Brom, Aston Villa etc etc? Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 An equally concerning point is that Guan stated "the team we are left with" and left out the "not for sale at any price" Lovren. Not good news at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Pelle fee will be public, any transfer after will be undisclosed fee. Doesn't that kinda presume that there will even be a fee paid? I may have missed something, but as far as I can tell there is nothing to suggest its close to being a done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Penetralia. Wow. Had to look up the meaning of that in the dictionary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 This is an ITK snippet I shared not so long ago. There is a keenness within the club to absorb the sales with the academy - McQueen, Gallagher, Harry Reed, JWP, Targett, Chambers. We will replace players and buy players, but the club don't feel the urgency we do - in fact they see no urgency for left back what so ever right now. Les Reed is the football man on the board, surely he wouldn't be stupid enough to go along with that. Sure way to relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 This is an ITK snippet I shared not so long ago. There is a keenness within the club to absorb the sales with the academy - McQueen, Gallagher, Harry Reed, JWP, Targett, Chambers. We will replace players and buy players, but the club don't feel the urgency we do - in fact they see no urgency for left back what so ever right now. If true that is horribly complacent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Bloody hell! Some people? Everton can pay wages in excess of what we can. They are in the Europa League. They are a bigger club than us? What are people not getting? Why would he choose us over them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Pretty sure we managed to lure Jay Rod just when Everton were supposedly on the brink of snatching him. Not worrying until Tadic is confirmed as not ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 6 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Sorry mate. As you say even the posts you make have an agenda. It's top 4 or nothing and Everton are not in the top 4 Rather than lose their entire Crown Jewels they appear to be getting our number 1 target We appear to be run by incompetent people. The way we are just allowing so many players leave beggars belief. As you say, tadic is going to Everton, if true, what a sad state of affairs for a club who really need to be assertive and demonstrate we are not this club in crisis the rest of the English football world think we are That squad you listed is no way good enough for mid table. That was a good bit of spin from you Okay, Let's go point by point. I do have an agenda, as much as this is my own personal viewpoint. No one has given me instruction or a mandate to post this. Everton have finished just outside the top four, have improved remarkably under Martinez, and were arguably more the critics favourite than towards the end of the season. Oh, and already had players on loan from Barcelona when they wanted, which is something we didn't manage, even when living the dream. Playing time in European competition is a draw we cannot currently offer, and Everton can. Everton don't appear to losing their crown jewels because they have to lose them by necessity anyway loans and short term deals have to be renewed or replaced, and as i said, they can offer tangible improvement with EL, rather than just a high finish. Incompetent people would not be able to reject bids or hold out for favourable terms. True, we have sold players to bigger clubs who can offer more money, fame, and a higher level of competition, but we have done so at a premium. We now have funds in place to improve upon those players. If Mopo/Cortese was here, if we had kept all of our players, and our finish had been the same, what do you think would have happened with Tadic? Speculation i know, but I'm pretty sure he would have gone to the place that Lukaku and Deulofeu have shone in the past few seasons, and played in Europe! The only squad that has strengthened below us is arguably West Ham, and the relegation/mid table section of the EPL stank last season. Academic anyway, as we are strengthening! It will come good, my friend. Give the club a week. If it still looks as bad then, come back and call me a blind fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Bloody hell! Some people? Everton can pay wages in excess of what we can. They are in the Europa League. They are a bigger club than us? What are people not getting? Why would he choose us over them? Why could Everton pay wages in excess of what we can? I don't see it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Thanks for the info, but if we went into the season with that side we would be relegated, no doubt. I don't think it's a case of "no doubt". That team would be competitive - it's the overall squad and ability to ride out injuries that is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagegsaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Bloody hell! Some people? Everton can pay wages in excess of what we can. They are in the Europa League. They are a bigger club than us? What are people not getting? Why would he choose us over them? You're wrong on the wages part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I don't think it's a case of "no doubt". That team would be competitive - it's the overall squad and ability to ride out injuries that is the issue. JRod is out until December so there are ZERO goals and there is also ZERO creativity in that side, we would be certs for relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Bloody hell! Some people? Everton can pay wages in excess of what we can. They are in the Europa League. They are a bigger club than us? What are people not getting? Why would he choose us over them? They cannot pay wages in excess of ours. Finances aren't so great at Everton, and being in the Europa League is no big earner unless you get to the latter stages. Whether or not it is an attractive option for potential signings - not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 JRod is out until December so there are ZERO goals and there is also ZERO creativity in that side, we would be certs for relegation. Obviously a striker is required - but zero creativity? Don't agree - sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagegsaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Guan... how many players do you think we'll sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I thought Tadic would fill the creative void for us post-Lallana. He looked like being a fantastic buy. Bit of a crapper if he is off to Everton. I'd love to share your optimism Guan but the board and management team have a ridiculous amount of work to do to get the squad competitive before the start of the season. J-Rod most likely won't be back before November, and the only areas in the squad we have any depth in is centre-mid and at right-back. We can't play a team of those. Yes it is early days, but Pelle was an inevitable signing given he is a former player under Koeman. Shame that our new manager's profile couldn't get the Tadic deal over the line as it would have given everyone a massive boost, not to mention secured replacements for two very important positions. Recruiting a creative midfielder with the level of influence of Lallana won't come cheap, and likely to cost more than the £8.7m we had allocated for Tadic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Guan... how many players do you think we'll sign? He has used all his posts if I'm counting right, wasted effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Obviously a striker is required - but zero creativity? Don't agree - sorry Cork, Davis, Morgan, Big Vic and JWP aren't exactly known for their creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Guan I appreciate a lot of what you say but you can hardly blame the natives for getting restless especially after this morning's comments by Lovren which indicated the Board knew about MP's departure in April. As of yet we have yet to get one decent transfer over the line, which in "normal" summers should not be a worry but with half of last season's team either left or in the process of leaving, is whichever way you look at it, something to be concerned about. I am worried by the board's inexperience, the only man with any football knowledge is Reed and his expertise was not earned at director level. Rogers statement after the Shaw transfer was ham-fisted and showed a lack of appreciation in the way fans think. This is an unprecedented close season in terms of decimation to our squad, the players are back in training and another tough season in the Premiership will start quicker than we think. Prevarication in the market due to inexperience or an unwillingness to go the extra mile, cash wise, cannot be rectified post August 31. I am glad NC has gone and I back the board but I am not convinced despite their best intentions they are properly qualified to the task ahead. Thanks for your post however but permit me to voice the growing concerns amongst us on the outside as it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Okay, Let's go point by point. I do have an agenda, as much as this is my own personal viewpoint. No one has given me instruction or a mandate to post this. Everton have finished just outside the top four, have improved remarkably under Martinez, and were arguably more the critics favourite than towards the end of the season. Oh, and already had players on loan from Barcelona when they wanted, which is something we didn't manage, even when living the dream. Playing time in European competition is a draw we cannot currently offer, and Everton can. Everton don't appear to losing their crown jewels because they have to lose them by necessity anyway loans and short term deals have to be renewed or replaced, and as i said, they can offer tangible improvement with EL, rather than just a high finish. Incompetent people would not be able to reject bids or hold out for favourable terms. True, we have sold players to bigger clubs who can offer more money, fame, and a higher level of competition, but we have done so at a premium. We now have funds in place to improve upon those players. If Mopo/Cortese was here, if we had kept all of our players, and our finish had been the same, what do you think would have happened with Tadic? Speculation i know, but I'm pretty sure he would have gone to the place that Lukaku and Deulofeu have shone in the past few seasons, and played in Europe! The only squad that has strengthened below us is arguably West Ham, and the relegation/mid table section of the EPL stank last season. Academic anyway, as we are strengthening! It will come good, my friend. Give the club a week. If it still looks as bad then, come back and call me a blind fool. Have had no evidence of strengthening from the club so fR just getting weaker and weaker. Pelle for me is a gamble and not a signing that inspires huge confidence. I can see us completing that this week but are we looking for any more this week? We need proven quality signings in ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I read guans first post and my instant thought was thanks for the reassurance . He / she is giving us a subtle thumbs up . Then some of the wrist slitters come out and dissect every word and turn it into ultra negative nonsense . Then I thought why does guan bother . Then I realised he knows many of us are decent sensible fans hence his second post . I suspect one of our prime targets is still out in Brazil with their respective World Cup team . So for now I'm not unduly concerned . We will be okay . But then I do where my heart on my sleeve . Or I will do when I can get my left arm into a shirt sleeve . Keep the faith guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Cork, Davis, Morgan, Big Vic and JWP aren't exactly known for their creativity. So basically you are saying that losing Lallana and Lambert have effectively doomed us to relegation, because without them the side have no goals or creativity. Maybe so, but I think you do the others a disservice. The reality is that we will be replacing those two anyway hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Thanks Guan. That's about a positive a list as can be. We're competing with the teams above us. Not the teams below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Had to look up the meaning of that in the dictionary... And me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 The other thing about Everton, didn't their most recent run of "success" in the Prem begin with them selling a highly rated teenager to Man Utd for around £30m. This next period in the club's history may well require some patience, but financially we have an incredible platform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 Guan I appreciate a lot of what you say but you can hardly blame the natives for getting restless especially after this morning's comments by Lovren which indicated the Board knew about MP's departure in April. As of yet we have yet to get one decent transfer over the line, which in "normal" summers should not be a worry but with half of last season's team either left or in the process of leaving, is whichever way you look at it, something to be concerned about. I am worried by the board's inexperience, the only man with any football knowledge is Reed and his expertise was not earned at director level. Rogers statement after the Shaw transfer was ham-fisted and showed a lack of appreciation in the way fans think. This is an unprecedented close season in terms of decimation to our squad, the players are back in training and another tough season in the Premiership will start quicker than we think. Prevarication in the market due to inexperience or an unwillingness to go the extra mile, cash wise, cannot be rectified post August 31. I am glad NC has gone and I back the board but I am not convinced despite their best intentions they are properly qualified to the task ahead. Thanks for your post however but permit me to voice the growing concerns amongst us on the outside as it were. Agree totally , the four /five weeks left will fly by !! and the amount of purchases required for the team to stay on a par with last year is worrying . For Guan to qoute that west ham are the only teams to strengthen there squad below us is a crazy statement ....it would be fine if the team we were going to field at this point is so much weaker than last years , I do kind of agree that the youngsters will improve year on year naturally as they mature ....but its asking an awful lot of them to fill te shoes of plays that are leaving , I not also that in Guans list Lovren isnt there so he has gone basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I think it may be time to take a hiatus from this board, until we actually know what's happening. I can't believe some of you are adults, it's utterly embarrassing to think you can get so emotional about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2014 Share Posted 6 July, 2014 I think it may be time to take a hiatus from this board, utilise actually know what's happening. I can't believe some of you are adults, it's utterly embarrassing to think you can get so emotional about it. Is it getting emotional? Or is it just writing a few words in a message board whilst watching true detective (that's what I'm doing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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