Danbert Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 If we sell Lovren and Schneiderlin, we'll be able to bring in an entire new first XI of ten million a shot players. Recruitment would be hit and miss and we'd struggle for cohesion, but I'd very much hope we wouldn't be struggling with relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 We need to get all our transfer business done quickly. The new signings will benefit from a decent amount of pre-season. It will help them gel. Our start is a fantastic opportunity to put some points on the board and give the fans the feel good factor that has gone since the end of last season. A poor start to the season then we are going to be right in the mix for relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint michael Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 Would be amazed if we could do anything as well as last year with all the changes made. Optimistic that Koeman will get a grip and optimistic that new players will be quality. I've been really upset at the way that Poch seems to have built something which is unsustainable and around him not the club. So different from somebody like Martinez. Look at the loyalty of Baines and his love of the club. I've been worried about losing others but now of the mindset he'll let them go. Let's enjoy the challenge. Hoping we get people in early enough to avoid us doing a Norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 Well done for being bold in your prediction. Hope you are right but more likely yo be 18th IMO. What's that based on though? I get selling some of your most influential players looks bad at face value but is the pessimism from a lack of action or certain actions taken by the team to this point? Anything can happen. Did anyone ever think the Tour de France would be peddling through Yorkshire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 Ok, so with all the threads around transfers in and transfers out and all the hand wringing going on [understandably] it will be interesting to see what every ones consensus is for the season ahead. Do you see us, 1. better league position than last season. 2. top ten 3. struggling but out of the relegation mix 4. Relegation fight but just safe at end of season 5. Relegation Accepting that to judge it now is to make assumptions on players coming in, as I think it is a given that as we are now we would be struggling and quite likely relegated. My prediction is struggling but out of relegation mix. I reckon option 3 and 4- tbh I think we will be bottom half and I think the table will be really close this year- and we will finish anywhere between 12-16... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 A season for rebuilding methinks, I'll be happy with mid-table comfort and the odd sparkling performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 With a near Earth object due to hit on 8th March I'm fairly sure we wont need to worry about relegation this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 Given the upheaval of this summer, in all honesty I'd accept 17th now if someone offered it to me. I hope I feel much more enthusiastic at the end of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 We've gone up a place in your estimation in the last hour or so. Top by 10PM? No. I have predicted 19th but have said more likely 18th. A turn of phrase not a prediction. I stand by my prediction and will change it IF we make some significant signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 What's that based on though? I get selling some of your most influential players looks bad at face value but is the pessimism from a lack of action or certain actions taken by the team to this point? Anything can happen. Did anyone ever think the Tour de France would be peddling through Yorkshire? I am not claiming any science in my prediction other than if we go into the season with a weaker squad we will finish lower in the league, a lot lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 I am not claiming any science in my prediction other than if we go into the season with a weaker squad we will finish lower in the league, a lot lower. Just out of interest, where have you predicted we would finish for the last 3 seasons? Just trying to get an idea of your accuracy before I lump on at Paddy Power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 Just out of interest, where have you predicted we would finish for the last 3 seasons? Just trying to get an idea of your accuracy before I lump on at Paddy Power. Agreed I have underestimated our league position in the last three years, but I did not predict 17th last year, that was the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 Let's see now. Without Lallana and Lambert we looked poor going forward last season, so the front-line clearly needs strengthening. I'm not really worried about LB - Clyne does a great job and if the information I've been given is true Targett will be very good for us. If Morgan goes, I truly believe the Cork/Wanyama partnership is very good indeed and we've still got Davis, JWP and Reed coming through. Lovren going would be a huge blow - a player that would cost us £15m+ to replace. So, my prediction is based on three likely scenarios... Replace Lambert and Lallana with top quality players and nothing else changes - 7th-10th. If no decent replacements then 12th-20th. If no decent front-line players AND Lovren goes and is not replaced by an equal or better CB, then relegation looms. All the above assumes that the present team and any incoming players gel with Koeman and staff and understand the system they want them to play (the 'Southampton way' is dead). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 Let's see now. Without Lallana and Lambert we looked poor going forward last season, so the front-line clearly needs strengthening. I'm not really worried about LB - Clyne does a great job and if the information I've been given is true Targett will be very good for us. If Morgan goes, I truly believe the Cork/Wanyama partnership is very good indeed and we've still got Davis, JWP and Reed coming through. Lovren going would be a huge blow - a player that would cost us £15m+ to replace. So, my prediction is based on three likely scenarios... Replace Lambert and Lallana with top quality players and nothing else changes - 7th-10th. If no decent replacements then 12th-20th. If no decent front-line players AND Lovren goes and is not replaced by an equal or better CB, then relegation looms. All the above assumes that the present team and any incoming players gel with Koeman and staff and understand the system they want them to play (the 'Southampton way' is dead). On the button. At present we could be facing relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 Agreed I have underestimated our league position in the last three years, but I did not predict 17th last year, that was the year before. You said 15th or 16th, this time last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 You said 15th or 16th, this time last year. Yep. Year before 17th and we finished 14th so not far out. The year we got promoted I was way out, I am not going to deny the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 You said 15th or 16th, this time last year. Was that before we signed Osvaldo ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 The bookies seem to think we'll be 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 The bookies seem to think we'll be 10th. That is very generous indeed, would be delighted to be anywhere near the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 The bookies seem to think we'll be 10th. Not like them to be generous. If Morgan and Lovren leave there is not a chance of that IMO. The players coming in will need time to settle no matter how good they are. They won't be better than Shaw, Morgan and Lovren anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 The shortest price on offer about us going down makes it worth 20% which seems fair. Still sad to see all the promise of last season wash away and the confirmation that we are very much a selling club, and for as log as the continues we will be stuck fighting out 10th to 16th. Still better than our recent past, but having been guilty of buying into the 'plan' it's still disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 The shortest price on offer about us going down makes it worth 20% which seems fair. Still sad to see all the promise of last season wash away and the confirmation that we are very much a selling club, and for as log as the continues we will be stuck fighting out 10th to 16th. Still better than our recent past, but having been guilty of buying into the 'plan' it's still disappointing. Agreed, it is sad, looks like we flew to the sun only to have our wings burnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 I reckon we'll get top 10. I think a max of 7th and a minimum of 10th depending on how well the squad gels and how well we settle in. Bear in mind after the Liverpool game, for which we'll have a point to prove so should help us, we have a nice run in to get us under steam, so we have an enviable opportunity to bed the new squad in nicely before Christmas. The fixtures have been kind to our situation I would say. I am also expecting a good couple of cup runs with RK at the helm and I am hoping we get drawn favorably in them this year to help that That said, all of the above is the optimistic to realistic prediction. If the bedwetter's have their nightmares/dreams come true (lose Lovren, Schneiderlin, not enough replacements and maybe Cork or Fonte go, though I think they won't at all) then I would say worst case we would probably be 14th to 11th, maybe doing what Swansea did last season (like someone else posted). Flirting with danger but never getting drawn in and ending up respectably considering the turmoil. But I would argue that is absolute worst case. I don't see us being relegated I really just don't. Are we going to be worse than Burnely, West Brom and QPR? I can't see it, even with worst case. Plus, as stated above, with RK at the helm our worst case is not going to be horrendous. We didn't sign Macky, we signed Ronald f****** Koeman!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 (edited) See above ! Edited 5 July, 2014 by simo loop in the matrix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 If I had to put my house on it I would say 4, a relegation fight but narrow survival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 Getting so many players to gel so quickly will be very hard. I hope we don't do a QPR and just panic buy anyone, as it get's you nowhere. It is going to be a tough season, if we got top 10 I would be delighted. But I feel the momentum the club was on has come to a full stop so can see a relegation fight happening. It all depends on who else we lose and who else we get in to replace them. If Jos is the level we will have as our CB we are fooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 I hope we don't do a QPR and just panic buy anyone, as it get's you nowhere. Problem is we might have to, we're not in a position where we are just adding players we like to the squad, we are going to have to fill key positions even before we get to think about replacing the players who were not good enough last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 I reckon we'll get top 10. I think a max of 7th and a minimum of 10th depending on how well the squad gels and how well we settle in: How on earth are we going to replicate what we did last season, but without the momentum and half a dozen of our very best players? How? It's good to think positively, but I just don't understand why fans think the new recruits will be able to come in and instantly be top performers like Shaw and Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 5 July, 2014 Share Posted 5 July, 2014 How on earth are we going to replicate what we did last season, but without the momentum and half a dozen of our very best players? How? It's good to think positively, but I just don't understand why fans think the new recruits will be able to come in and instantly be top performers like Shaw and Lallana. We haven't lost a half dozen of our players. One was old and not a true striker, two was a whiner that gave up on the Saints for "fashionable" football and a pay raise and the third one, well maybe it's too early in the "plan" to retain such talent but we were compensated fairly. How do you know the replacements won't be as good? They haven't been named yet. I am in no way calling out Chez but addressing the general pessimism, would those predicting a relegation battle be happier to see us battling to stay afloat so they can say I told you so or happier if we finish 8th or better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 looking for pre seasons thread anyone know what it was called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 The team needed strengthening even before lallana,shaw and lambert were sold so we probably need 6 players at least,those players will need to be bedded in as they won't be instant successes......so i predict a tough struggle ahead probably mid to low finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 Mid Table will do nicely for a rebuilding clubs such as ours, and reckon this time we could get a better cup run too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 There's no way we'll better last season, in my opinion the top 6/7 will pull away from the rest as they've been quietly hovering up the talent from the chasing pack. My guess would be we'll be very similar to West Ham last season, a bit of a flirt with relegation but ultimately never really in the race. This won't be down to our quality though, much more because the rest of the league is fairly poor again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 While we've lost some good players there is still a good amount of last seasons team still here (including a very good central midfield) add to that Koeman who is giving me the impression he is quitely confident and knows what he is about I'm feeling pretty relaxed about next season. As yet I don't see most of the teams who finished below us strengthening that much (Hull and prehaps WHU aside) so most of them aren't likely to be much better (and I reckon WBA are screwed) than last season. I can't see us being relegation fodder at all next season, we might not finish as high in the table next season but I still think we will be in around mid table with a couple more addition to the front and back of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 It's all very well believing that we can't possibly be as good as last season having lost Lambert, Lallana and Shaw, suggesting that early season will be a problem bedding in their replacements, without adding some sort of balance by comparison against last season's problems. There were times when Shaw was out and players like Fox played instead. We were without Boruc for some weeks and had Gazzaniga or Kelvin between the sticks. Then Wanyama was out for some time injured and of course, so was Rodriguez at the end of the season. At other times when we played Osvaldo, he brought little to the table, neither did Hooiveld. What I'm saying, is that had we not suffered those shortfalls through injury, we could well have finished a place or two higher. That we didn't, is down to lack of depth in the squad, which is something that we can address with the abundance of funds we have received for Shaw, Lallana and Lambert. If we manage to keep Lovren, Schneiderlin, Rodriguez and Chambers, we will only be short of the three we've sold and have replaced two of them already with what seems to be be high quality players. If we do lose other players, we will at least receive vastly inflated prices for them. If Pelle and Tadic prove to be as good as Lambert and Lallana, then we will have bought them for far less than we received and can therefore afford to pay for high quality players to replace those players not good enough to keep, like Fox, Sharp. Gully, Hooiveld, etc. Although we will have to wait and see what other signings we make, I am encouraged enough by the signing of Koeman as manager and Pelle and Tadic, to be optimistic about our prospects for next season. No reason IMO why we can't achieve 6th to 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 My target would be to score 4 more goals than last season and ship 7 less. GF: 60 GA: 39 that should land us in the top 8. So I would prioritise the purchase of starting GK, CB, LB and CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 15 July, 2014 Share Posted 15 July, 2014 My target would be to score 4 more goals than last season and ship 7 less. GF: 60 GA: 39 that should land us in the top 8. So I would prioritise the purchase of starting GK, CB, LB and CF. Edit: Ensuring Gazza and Jos are not called on would save us 7 for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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