Gemmel Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I suspect that we will go on to lose Morgan and Lovren which will see five of our top players and starting 11 gone. We are emotionally attached and react with anger, frustration and disappointment. But for Koeman the whole project must be very compelling. He gets the chance to build his own team and bring in players that he believes fit with his style, standards and philosophy - With a budget that will allow him flex some real muscle. He will have known what he was walking into and I suspect the opportunity to manage in the Premier league, with HIS team from the start, was a huge carrot that very few managers ever the chance to do. Exciting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Just need some signings to see concrete activity after the great build-up. Just hope he can build a team capable of beating Spurs and Liverpool next season, just so we can fell better about ourselves and stick one in the eye of the recently departed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 exactly this, We could have a stronger squad in 6 weeks time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I live in hope that this is true. Patience required, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Plus we still have some very exciting youngsters ready to break through into the first team. The only one I will be gutted to lose is Morgan, I hope we can convince him to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Just need some signings to see concrete activity after the great build-up. Just hope he can build a team capable of beating Spurs and Liverpool next season, just so we can fell better about ourselves and stick one in the eye of the recently departed! Not next season, maybe the season after? His 3 year contract suggests he'd be looking to achieve his target (CL or EL qualification maybe) at that point and then look to extend his contract to take it to the next stage. But let's not be too hasty, eh? Teams take time to build and to gel. After this summers turmoil, finishing comfortably mid-table will be good for me. But you never know, we may just be able to put one over on them this coming season - especially when Spuds crash and burn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingdomCome Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I agree with this entirely. So long as the board are happy to reinvest the funds, he must feel like a kid in a candy store. Only issues are how much he will actually get and whether we are a club to attract exciting players. I'm feeling cautiously positive on both points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Our midfield isn't too shoddy as it is. Wanyama Ramirez Cork Davies JWP plus replacements. Maybe Ramirez might go as well, and maybe Wanyama too. If that happens, then it will be interesting!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I suspect that we will go on to lose Morgan and Lovren which will see five of our top players and starting 11 gone. We are emotionally attached and react with anger, frustration and disappointment. But for Koeman the whole project must be very compelling. He gets the chance to build his own team and bring in players that he believes fit with his style, standards and philosophy - With a budget that will allow him flex some real muscle. He will have known what he was walking into and I suspect the opportunity to manage in the Premier league, with HIS team from the start, was a huge carrot that very few managers ever the chance to do. Exciting times. Absolutely agree - Rather than same again this could well be the dawning of a new era ... Or 5 year project mark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Plus we still have some very exciting youngsters ready to break through into the first team. The only one I will be gutted to lose is Morgan, I hope we can convince him to stay. He is probably the least likely to leave at present. I know Arsenal are sniffing around but their number 1 target seems to be Khedira. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 COME ON YOU SHAINTS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 COME ON YOU SHAINTS!!!! Haha.. I do admire and love optimism and fair play to you guys to have such an outlook. But for me the problem is straight forward - if Lovren and Morgan go.... We will have in effect lost 5 CL international quality players. Yes we will have some cash in the bank, but suspect KL will be looking to recoup some of her director loans from this.... So please tell me how we will be stronger because I can not see how we will ATTRACT 5-7 players who are better than the ones just sold, even if we can afford them and KL makes the funds available.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Well, maybe. Too much analysis on the board. Fkit, I am looking forward to the next season already - shouting at my telly at 2am - loving watching my team,my dad's team, my grandad's team, my brother's team, my son's team. S(H)AINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Not next season, maybe the season after? His 3 year contract suggests he'd be looking to achieve his target (CL or EL qualification maybe) at that point and then look to extend his contract to take it to the next stage. But let's not be too hasty, eh? Teams take time to build and to gel. After this summers turmoil, finishing comfortably mid-table will be good for me. But you never know, we may just be able to put one over on them this coming season - especially when Spuds crash and burn Which was exactly Pochettino's remit when he was appointed So, IF the intention of Katharina is (still) to achieve SFC to qualify for a European place, why change the Goalposts so much as to make the CEO, Manager, and Players to want OUT. The answer is simple. Katharinas aims are nothing like the same. The CEO and Manager knew it, and the PLayers certainly do. Some have publically said so Does not make sense. The Team we HAD would have had a good chance of Euro qualificatiuon this coming season. We don't now. ATM, we don't even know how many we will have to buy, to replace those getting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Certainly an interesting one for him. Not many managers have a completely free slate to go and buy whoever they want to, to fit their style. He's got a lot of money, so if he fails then it's his own fault. I'm sure we'll pick up a few talented players to add to the hardworking bunch we have now, and hopefully have a successful season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 While not impressed with the exodus, it is an exciting opportunity for the boss to prove his worth. And on another positive note, we have just robbed Man Utd and Liverpool in the street, as we did with Arsenal over the Ox who looked worth every penny of £500K in some games he played for us in his last season. If we can't find a decent left back for £10M I'd be surprised. The key is to wisely reinvest the top dollar prices that clubs are paying us....the next four weeks will demonstrate whether the project is over, or entering a new era. The managerial appointment would suggest the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 In a way it is a good project for him. Once we've cleared out everyone, hopefully he can he given the funds to build his own team. There's plenty of scope for change, we just have to hope we can start attracting the right sort of players, and that Koeman is here with a long term vision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 exactly this, We could have a stronger squad in 6 weeks time. Now is not the time for rational thought, now is the time to soil the bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I suspect that we will go on to lose Morgan and Lovren which will see five of our top players and starting 11 gone. We are emotionally attached and react with anger, frustration and disappointment. But for Koeman the whole project must be very compelling. He gets the chance to build his own team and bring in players that he believes fit with his style, standards and philosophy - With a budget that will allow him flex some real muscle. He will have known what he was walking into and I suspect the opportunity to manage in the Premier league, with HIS team from the start, was a huge carrot that very few managers ever the chance to do. Exciting times. Two points. 1. Lets see some of these moves start to crystallise before we get excited 2. Lets hope he and his backroom team are capable of the necessary integration and (yuk) gelling before the season gets into full swing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I think we also will need to appreciate that in the short term it might mean he brings in players he knows and trusts, and who know each other. They may not be players who we hope or expect, but it is about building a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 In a way it is a good project for him. Once we've cleared out everyone, hopefully he can he given the funds to build his own team. There's plenty of scope for change, we just have to hope we can start attracting the right sort of players, and that Koeman is here with a long term vision Although it would be great if it happened, I dont think we are going to hit the ground running. He will need time to get things going the way he wants and I hope that people dont get on his back if we struggle to start off. He usnt Pochetino and he will not have the same squad. Its all change so give him a break and time to bed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Of course. I think we'd have to be happy with a midtable finish, even the current players will have to adapt to his playing style. No doubt there will be endless numbers calling for his head if we don't finish at least 8th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Haha.. I do admire and love optimism and fair play to you guys to have such an outlook. But for me the problem is straight forward - if Lovren and Morgan go.... We will have in effect lost 5 CL international quality players. Yes we will have some cash in the bank' date=' but suspect KL will be looking to recoup some of her director loans from this.... So please tell me how we will be stronger because I can not see how we will ATTRACT 5-7 players who are better than the ones just sold, even if we can afford them and KL makes the funds available....[/quote'] Isn't this the "problem"? We've sufficiently improved these players, given them the stage - they've grasped the opportunity and proven themselves worthy of CL football. I'm as disappointed as the next man but it is a reality and more than likely will always be the way. We have an opportunity to strengthen the depth of the squad whilst buying some young exciting talent and therefore start the cycle again. We get to see young talent (hopefully) improve and if we get really lucky we get to see our team progress over the coming seasons to a team that is regularly in the EL. That would be my next 5 year plan.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Of course. I think we'd have to be happy with a midtable finish, even the current players will have to adapt to his playing style. No doubt there will be endless numbers calling for his head if we don't finish at least 8th I think we should be happy with staying up. Next season is going to be a transitional phase regardless of wether Koeman is good enough for the job or not. He may make some astute signings and actually improve the team overnight but there is potential for next season to go spectacularly downhill. The last few seasons have shown the value of having a settled, happy squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Which was exactly Pochettino's remit when he was appointed So, IF the intention of Katharina is (still) to achieve SFC to qualify for a European place, why change the Goalposts so much as to make the CEO, Manager, and Players to want OUT. The answer is simple. Katharinas aims are nothing like the same. The CEO and Manager knew it, and the PLayers certainly do. Some have publically said so Does not make sense. The Team we HAD would have had a good chance of Euro qualificatiuon this coming season. We don't now. ATM, we don't even know how many we will have to buy, to replace those getting out. I just love the way that some of our fans know precisely what goes on in KL's mind, so that they can say with certainty what her ambitions are and how she will seek to fulfil them. How dare she require her CEO to allow her some input into how he spent her money, thus causing him to leave in a huff. As for the manager and the players, did they leave because they sensed that KL had moved the goalposts regarding the club's ambitions to play in Europe, or did they move for more money and prestige that came from managing or playing for a bigger club? And as for some players stating that they wanted to leave because they thought that the club lacked ambitions to play in Europe, don't you think that they should have met Ronald Koeman to see what his plans were first? Their indecent haste to depart is rather suggestive that money was their prime motivator. But go on naively deluding yourself that it is all the fault of KL's lack of ambition, regardless of the statement of intent that the appointment of somebody of RK's calibre presents. You say that the answer to your questions is simple. Yes, they suggest themselves to somebody who is a bit simple in their reasoning, especially when you admit yourself that the reasons don't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I don't agree with the "time to gel" argument. MP was a change of style and combined with new players but was picked up with barely a break in stride. Incoming players will be quality footballers of international standing who should be able to play with other similar players within a structure set down by the club which runs from the youngest playing group to the senior squad. If they are not capable of this then don't sign them. Look at Roma last summer who sold or loaned some of their best players replacing them with so-called lesser players (and a 37 yr old Totti as captain) and went on a run of 10 consecutive wins which is the best in their history (and a Serie A record) and ended up with finishing second in the league. To quote Greavsie "It's a funny old game" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Good post. Key for me is whether we will correct the depth issues from last season or will just end up replacing the outgoings one for one. We will need to sign 8 or 9 in order to cover both and I wonder if we will manage that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Which was exactly Pochettino's remit when he was appointed So, IF the intention of Katharina is (still) to achieve SFC to qualify for a European place, why change the Goalposts so much as to make the CEO, Manager, and Players to want OUT. The answer is simple. Katharinas aims are nothing like the same. The CEO and Manager knew it, and the PLayers certainly do. Some have publically said so Does not make sense. The Team we HAD would have had a good chance of Euro qualificatiuon this coming season. We don't now. ATM, we don't even know how many we will have to buy, to replace those getting out. You seem quite knowledgeable about KL's aims for the club, can you tell us what they are in comparison to what they were while Cortese was here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I suspect that we will go on to lose Morgan and Lovren which will see five of our top players and starting 11 gone. We are emotionally attached and react with anger, frustration and disappointment. But for Koeman the whole project must be very compelling. He gets the chance to build his own team and bring in players that he believes fit with his style, standards and philosophy - With a budget that will allow him flex some real muscle. He will have known what he was walking into and I suspect the opportunity to manage in the Premier league, with HIS team from the start, was a huge carrot that very few managers ever the chance to do. Exciting times. This shouldn't be on the main board its far too positive - one for the Muppet Show surely I agree with the above comments totally though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I just love the way that some of our fans know precisely what goes on in KL's mind, so that they can say with certainty what her ambitions are and how she will seek to fulfil them. How dare she require her CEO to allow her some input into how he spent her money, thus causing him to leave in a huff. As for the manager and the players, did they leave because they sensed that KL had moved the goalposts regarding the club's ambitions to play in Europe, or did they move for more money and prestige that came from managing or playing for a bigger club? And as for some players stating that they wanted to leave because they thought that the club lacked ambitions to play in Europe, don't you think that they should have met Ronald Koeman to see what his plans were first? Their indecent haste to depart is rather suggestive that money was their prime motivator. But go on naively deluding yourself that it is all the fault of KL's lack of ambition, regardless of the statement of intent that the appointment of somebody of RK's calibre presents. You say that the answer to your questions is simple. Yes, they suggest themselves to somebody who is a bit simple in their reasoning, especially when you admit yourself that the reasons don't make sense. This. And I seem to remember Pochettino saying he wasnt interested in the Europa competition (shame he wasnt so honest about his view of the FA Cup) so it was good to hear that Reed is saying we are still looking to qualify for European football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 This. And I seem to remember Pochettino saying he wasnt interested in the Europa competition (shame he wasnt so honest about his view of the FA Cup) so it was good to hear that Reed is saying we are still looking to qualify for European football. You got to have a dream, if you don't have a dream how you going to have a dream come true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I don't agree with the "time to gel" argument. MP was a change of style and combined with new players but was picked up with barely a break in stride. Incoming players will be quality footballers of international standing who should be able to play with other similar players within a structure set down by the club which runs from the youngest playing group to the senior squad. If they are not capable of this then don't sign them. Look at Roma last summer who sold or loaned some of their best players replacing them with so-called lesser players (and a 37 yr old Totti as captain) and went on a run of 10 consecutive wins which is the best in their history (and a Serie A record) and ended up with finishing second in the league. To quote Greavsie "It's a funny old game" Well reasoned. I believe that you are right to expect that professional players at the top level ought to be able to slot into a new team, but that there are some mitigating factors that might make that transition easier or harder. If a player comes in from a different country, there are potential differences to the style of play and possible language problems. If a player is played out of position, again it would take time to adapt. The new team might play a totally different style of football to his previous club. Some managers are better at getting maximum effort from some players than others. His colleagues have to be easy to integrate with. Lastly, the player's mental attitude plays a large part in it. In our particular case, team sprit was a major factor in our success; we played as a unit and for each other. To an extent, some of that unity has been lost, so it depends on the players being brought in having a sociable nature. A player like Osvaldo plainly did not. Luckily Koeman likes to have his teams play fast attacking football. In that respect, the style of play under Pochettino is not that different, as indeed it wasn't when Pochettino took over from Adkins. With luck, factors like these suggest that the transition for players coming to us from abroad are not too daunting, especially if the manager knows them well and therefore has formed an opinion on how well he thinks they will adapt here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 I suspect that we will go on to lose Morgan and Lovren which will see five of our top players and starting 11 gone. We are emotionally attached and react with anger, frustration and disappointment. But for Koeman the whole project must be very compelling. He gets the chance to build his own team and bring in players that he believes fit with his style, standards and philosophy - With a budget that will allow him flex some real muscle. He will have known what he was walking into and I suspect the opportunity to manage in the Premier league, with HIS team from the start, was a huge carrot that very few managers ever the chance to do. Exciting times. A good post and a very compelling argument. I had not thought of this and this, in theory, could lead to a much stronger team, with Koeman having the ability to get the right pegs to fit the holes, rather than trying to fit the pegs he has. Also good to see someone use their head for more than 'lets moan about moanings sake.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 and while we are on a positive path - we may well find we are underwhelmed by some of his signings, but let's not be hasty to judge... I seem to recall getting excited about Ramirez and Osvaldo, whereas the likes of Cork and Davis, the sort of players that the Mexican Wave wasn't invented for - have been far more important too us than the 'glamour' signings. Build Ronnie, build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstriumph Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Although it would be great if it happened, I dont think we are going to hit the ground running. He will need time to get things going the way he wants and I hope that people dont get on his back if we struggle to start off. He usnt Pochetino and he will not have the same squad. Its all change so give him a break and time to bed in. Have to agree with this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Not sure that I do. Let's say that the Famous 5 do **** off and no one else does. You could have available. Boruc Clyne Yoshida Fonte Chambers Davis, Wanyama, JWP, Gaston, Cork Gallagher So the core is still there, obviously missing the 5. New comers would obviously be added but the point I am trying to make is that to start with they could be carried by the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Too early for this type of speculation, it's only the begining of July FFS. Wait until September before jumping to assumptions about how we'll rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 Too early for this type of speculation, it's only the begining of July FFS. Wait until September before jumping to assumptions about how we'll rebuild You really are a spiteful individual. Its sunny, have a beer and get outside. Second person on my ignore list after HelpMeRhonda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 3 July, 2014 Share Posted 3 July, 2014 To be fair I haven't seen or heard anything about the players we've been strongly linked with but I'm looking forward to see how RK gets on, I think he will do well, just got a feeling that we will be pleasantly surprised with what happens, look what happened to Poch, he had a blinder and was unknown to most people, I'll put my neck on the line and say that 70% of people with know who our new manager is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 4 July, 2014 Share Posted 4 July, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/03/louis-van-gaal-tempers-idealism-holland-strengths Interesting article that could shed some light on the transition in style (albeit based on the same principles) that we might expect next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 July, 2014 Share Posted 4 July, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/03/louis-van-gaal-tempers-idealism-holland-strengths Interesting article that could shed some light on the transition in style (albeit based on the same principles) that we might expect next season And an interesting little snippet that the great man learned something tactically from our manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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