Tokyo-Saint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Too slow MLG, we've already slagged off the advert and have moved on to beginning western not to leave and give us snippets of what's going on in the Liverpool dressing room and which players have had what stolen recently.
Leicestersaint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Lallana has let us all down very badly - and also himself. I think badge-kissing should be banned!
Baird of the land Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Daily Echo @dailyecho 37m Adam Lallana has taken a full page advert in tomorrow's @dailyecho to say thanks to all #saintsfc fans. pic.twitter.com/M0PqP2Jyjw Should have saved himself the money or spent it on the Liverpool echo. Insincere hollow nonsense from him now is pointless.
farawaysaint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Too slow MLG, we've already slagged off the advert and have moved on to beginning western not to leave and give us snippets of what's going on in the Liverpool dressing room and which players have had what stolen recently.
alpine_saint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Does he really think a full page in the Echo is going to resolve or cure something ? What a tit. Who is advising him ?
S-Clarke Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Does he really think a full page in the Echo is going to resolve or cure something ? What a tit. Who is advising him ? It's also interesting that he's had to bypass the club and go via the echo to make a statement. I think the club have cut all losses. I get from Weston's POV, he's a family friend - but it's hard not to be pretty disappointed by him over the last few weeks. The comment he came out with today regarding the end of the season love-in with Liverpool was ill-advised and in poor taste. He should not be surprised by the reaction.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Does he really think a full page in the Echo is going to resolve or cure something ? What a tit. Who is advising him ? I think it is clear his relationship with the club broke down to the point that the club were not willing to give him a platform to say what he wanted. So doing it in the Echo is probably a reluctant act. I don't begrudge him the opportunity to earn a six-figure weekly salary, play for a better team, and further his career. The way he has manufactured it has left a sour taste in the mouth and it feels like more respect should be shown to the club and fans during that process - or rather enough respect that reflects his tenure at the club. At the end of the day he has got what he wanted and at some cost to the goodwill afforded him by the fans. I don't really care what he has to say now if I am honest.
alpine_saint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 At the end of the day he has got what he wanted and at some cost to the goodwill afforded him by the fans. I don't really care what he has to say now if I am honest. I am guessing this will be the prevailing view tomorrow. Once again (and apologies to Weston), f**k him.
BlakeySFC Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Well I was gonna have to go out and buy some toilet paper later tonight, think I'll just wait and buy the Echo tomorrow to wipe my arse with Lallana's arrogant c**ting mug.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Does he really think a full page in the Echo is going to resolve or cure something ? What a tit. Who is advising him ? He's changing people's lives in Brazil, what have you ever done?
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Have been fed up with this forum and some of the mindless posters for a while now. Thank God it does not represent life. For me, I see no reason to post any more. Ron you are too close to things, take a break. I have sat back and tried to be rational about this. I have no problem Lallana leaving, let's be honest he is at the right age etc etc but what does get my goat is, him refusing to play for the club if not granted a transfer and also what he said when he signed an extension to his contract. I actually think he will not settle at Anfield and, if he had left on decent terms, there would have been a good chance we would have bought him back a la Kevin Davies, but the silly idiot has well and truly burnt his bridges. Don't get irked with the fans, get irked with whoever is advising Lallana.
Clunge Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 It's not a question of loyalty it's the way he's gone about it, all but saying that he is better than Saints and/or Saints are not good enough for him. Also saying he had wanted to move during the season only months after stating he would happily be a Saint for life only goes to show what an insincere man he is. He strikes me as someone who 'all of a sudden' had a significant rise in status and profile (Captaincy, England, big performances) and to coin a well worn phrase has 'let it all go to his head'. For someone who literally grew up with the club he has acted poorly and disrespectfully over advancing his career (in his eyes and almost certainly in reality). That is what most people find wrong. He has (intentionally or not, and I suspect the latter as I get the impression he's probably a little thick) let whatever bad blood between him and the club or certain individuals get in the way of rational thinking and respect for the only people who matter; the fans. Loyalty is reserved for fans and fans alone. Players and managers will come and go. How they do it is how they are judged and remembered. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No one on here knows how's he gone about it, just jumping all over rumours and to be honest if my workplace refused to let me go to further my career and get paid more I'd be striking as well if that does turn out to be the truth! Lambert and shaw come out and said nothing about their moves before they happened, both must have told the club they wanted to go though, what's so different in this case? As little as it may matter to some people on here a player rarely takes out an ad in a local newspaper to thank fans etc, lambert released a statement and everyone was basically tugging one off about it, Adam has dipped into his own pocket and all he is getting is abuse, its playground stuff. If the club didn't want to sell him they didn't have to, end of story.
ericb Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 You have to say that if Carlsberg did bad PR ........ They'd take an advert out in a muslim paper talking about how they'd tested their new beer on prisoners in Guantanamo against their will?
Colinjb Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Lambert and Shaw come out and said nothing about their moves before they happened, both must have told the club they wanted to go though, what's so different in this case? There will be a reason why the club dealt with Adam so differently. A long time servant like Adam will not have been dismissed so quickly without good reason, it's perfectly logical. It's not what you do it's the way that you do it.
alpine_saint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 No one on here knows how's he gone about it, just jumping all over rumours and to be honest if my workplace refused to let me go to further my career and get paid more I'd be striking as well if that does turn out to be the truth! Lambert and shaw come out and said nothing about their moves before they happened, both must have told the club they wanted to go though, what's so different in this case? As little as it may matter to some people on here a player rarely takes out an ad in a local newspaper to thank fans etc, lambert released a statement and everyone was basically tugging one off about it, Adam has dipped into his own pocket and all he is getting is abuse, its playground stuff. If the club didn't want to sell him they didn't have to, end of story. He bullied the club into selling with his behaviour and public comments. He acted like an angry spoilt brat and threw his toys out of the pram. He has totally broken the relationship with the club with his behaviour, and the club have justifiably denied him a soapbox. I am guessing he thinks we are so f**king stupid he can bullsh*t us with meaningless platitudes. He said what he feels this morning in his first LFC interview. Either that or he is so manipulative that he is bullsh*tting all round. He's blown it with us. And hes gonna get it when he comes to SMS. F**k him.
farawaysaint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 No one on here knows how's he gone about it, just jumping all over rumours and to be honest if my workplace refused to let me go to further my career and get paid more I'd be striking as well if that does turn out to be the truth! Lambert and shaw come out and said nothing about their moves before they happened, both must have told the club they wanted to go though, what's so different in this case? As little as it may matter to some people on here a player rarely takes out an ad in a local newspaper to thank fans etc, lambert released a statement and everyone was basically tugging one off about it, Adam has dipped into his own pocket and all he is getting is abuse, its playground stuff. If the club didn't want to sell him they didn't have to, end of story. Seriously? We can't afford to pay a player 45k a week to sulk, you are not a professional footballer either and you cannot possibly compare your profession to theirs.
Minsk Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Should we have seen this coming? When you look closely at Adam's career you can see a clear pattern of such grievious abandonment and duplicity! 1987 - Mother's Womb Adam Lallana spent the first 9 months of his career in his mother's uterus. He was said to be very happy here, attached emotionally and physically to his hometown womb. Alas, Adam soon felt that he had outgrown his environs and after a brief period of contractual negotations ("contractions") he decided to move on. That he would callously abandon his own mother in this fashion is sadly indicative of Lallana's inherently defective morality, but nonetheless he put career before honour. And thus, on 10th May 1988 Adam Lallana fell from his mother's vaginal lips into the waiting hands of an obstetrician, blinked dimly at the world, and did a Cruyff turn. 1999 - Bournemouth AFC Young Adam Lallana lost his footballing cherry at Bournemouth, which was ideal because the Cherries are experts in losing at football. By the age of 12 however he felt, correctly, that his talent had already outstripped what is generally considered appropriate for public consumption at Dean Court and sought a move to south coast giants, Southampton FC. 2000 - Southampton FC I wasn't actually there when Adam Lallana lost his virginity, but it seems a safe bet that after a period of vag kissing he did a Cruyff turn and shot weakly at her tits. These are skills for which he became rightly renowned at Southampton, I mean other than the vag being a badge and the tits being opposition goalkeepers, but you know what I'm saying. I ought to mention also that it was during the early years at Southampton that Adam had his heart removed. The story put about was a "defective valve", but I think we all know the true reason. Despite having no heart Adam found it very difficult to escape the malevolent clutches of Southampton. Over a period of 14 years he was repeatedly forced to accept large payments and 5 year contracts, and in the end he only managed to effect escape from the torture of life as a footballing south-cost demi-god by telling the club, it's staff and loyal fanbase to collectively get fucked. 2014 - England In June of 2014 Adam Lallana abandoned Southampton and signed for England FC. However they could not afford him Champions League football, or to be honest football of any kind, so Adam once again was reduced to seeking opportunities for career advancement elsewhere. 2014 - Liverpool Nowhere are the arts of badge-kissing more valued that at Liverpool. The entire city operates under an unchallenged delusion that they are somehow special. How long Adam will stay at Anfield is unclear, but it is sure to end the moment he finds an opportunity. One thing is for certain, whatever Adam does next will be preceded by a Cruyff turn. RIP Excellent prose Bear
beatlesaint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Ron you are too close to things, take a break. I have sat back and tried to be rational about this. I have no problem Lallana leaving, let's be honest he is at the right age etc etc but what does get my goat is, him refusing to play for the club if not granted a transfer and also what he said when he signed an extension to his contract. I actually think he will not settle at Anfield and, if he had left on decent terms, there would have been a good chance we would have bought him back a la Kevin Davies, but the silly idiot has well and truly burnt his bridges. Don't get irked with the fans, get irked with whoever is advising Lallana. Great post Duncan.
corky morris Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Have been fed up with this forum and some of the mindless posters for a while now. Thank God it does not represent life. For me, I see no reason to post any more. No one begrudges him a move to the Champions League, but there is a way to behave & in my opinion he has shown very little integrity. The comments about the Liverpool home game also show a lack of professional respect to his team mates let alone the fans. It's your choice not to post. I'm a Saints fan & I will keep supporting whoever wears our shirt. Maybe you should follow him upto Liverpool if the forum disappoints you so much?
CB Fry Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 No one on here knows how's he gone about it, just jumping all over rumours and to be honest if my workplace refused to let me go to further my career and get paid more I'd be striking as well if that does turn out to be the truth! Lambert and shaw come out and said nothing about their moves before they happened, both must have told the club they wanted to go though, what's so different in this case? As little as it may matter to some people on here a player rarely takes out an ad in a local newspaper to thank fans etc, lambert released a statement and everyone was basically tugging one off about it, Adam has dipped into his own pocket and all he is getting is abuse, its playground stuff. If the club didn't want to sell him they didn't have to, end of story. So on one hand you're saying the club should have just turned all offers down flat and not sold because they don't have to, but at the same time you support Lallana going on strike to force a move. So, how does that all work out then?
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Does he really think a full page in the Echo is going to resolve or cure something ? What a tit. Who is advising him ? Purely for entertainment value I wish he'd taken it out in the Sun
pap Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 No one on here knows how's he gone about it, just jumping all over rumours and to be honest if my workplace refused to let me go to further my career and get paid more I'd be striking as well if that does turn out to be the truth! Lambert and shaw come out and said nothing about their moves before they happened, both must have told the club they wanted to go though, what's so different in this case? As little as it may matter to some people on here a player rarely takes out an ad in a local newspaper to thank fans etc, lambert released a statement and everyone was basically tugging one off about it, Adam has dipped into his own pocket and all he is getting is abuse, its playground stuff. If the club didn't want to sell him they didn't have to, end of story. I disagree. There's cumulative and ongoing evidence that he was hankering for a move against the clubs wishes, up to and including the two sentence statement from the club and the "Adam Lallana loves ya really" paid advertisement that'll worm its way onto the pages of the Echo. If he wasn't the originator of the pre-World Cup wantaway stories, then he could have refuted them outright in the press. He didn't, so I think we can assume that those stories came from his camp, especially given the dreadful interview today - which seems to confirm his long-held wish to play for Liverpool. We had the grim spectacle of our captain undermining the club on the eve of one of its most notable successes; sending three of its players to the World Cup. I don't know why people are regarding strike rumours as preposterous. Why else do you think a 14 year servant of the club got a two sentence statement, not even thanking him?
alpine_saint Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 I don't know why people are regarding strike rumours as preposterous. Why else do you think a 14 year servant of the club got a two sentence statement, not even thanking him? Yep. His behaviour has cost the club real money...
Bearsy Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Purely for entertainment value I wish he'd taken it out in the Sun I would forgive all if he done that!
gregprowt Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Yep. His behaviour has cost the club real money... can I ask what you mean by this alpine_saint Im not questioning it, Im very f**ked off thats he's gone and the way he's gone about it, it's just you've mentioned this a couple of times and I feel I've missed something
S-Clarke Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 can I ask what you mean by this alpine_saint Im not questioning it, Im very f**ked off thats he's gone and the way he's gone about it, it's just you've mentioned this a couple of times and I feel I've missed something It seems as if the club have had to settle for a lesser deal, just to allow him the move.
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 can I ask what you mean by this alpine_saint Im not questioning it, Im very f**ked off thats he's gone and the way he's gone about it, it's just you've mentioned this a couple of times and I feel I've missed something I take it that we have a lot of compensation for his behaviour.
angelman Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Have been fed up with this forum and some of the mindless posters for a while now. Thank God it does not represent life. For me, I see no reason to post any more. Aren't the acerbic posts just a manifestation of people's disappointment at how things have panned out? An anonymous forum will always bring out more "extreme" feelings. Tomorrow it will have died down a bit, well actually, given the full page statement, maybe it will be prolonged for another day.
saint77 Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Have been fed up with this forum and some of the mindless posters for a while now. Thank God it does not represent life. For me, I see no reason to post any more. Excellent good news around
SaintRobbie Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Ron you are too close to things, take a break. I have sat back and tried to be rational about this. I have no problem Lallana leaving, let's be honest he is at the right age etc etc but what does get my goat is, him refusing to play for the club if not granted a transfer and also what he said when he signed an extension to his contract. I actually think he will not settle at Anfield and, if he had left on decent terms, there would have been a good chance we would have bought him back a la Kevin Davies, but the silly idiot has well and truly burnt his bridges. Don't get irked with the fans, get irked with whoever is advising Lallana. I couldn't agree more with this. He's wasting his time taking out an ad in the a Echo too. Whatever he says will be ridiculed. No one will read it as sincere, the lad lacks integrity. And that is a fact.
hypochondriac Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Excellent good news around couldn't agree more!
The Majestic Channon Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Oh well... Relieved we sold the p rick now tbh, hope he flops and they end up selling him on the cheap , one arsehole gone bring on the next one to excel and the p iss off one day Sent from my C1905 using Tapatalk
Bewildered Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Daily Echo @dailyecho 37m Adam Lallana has taken a full page advert in tomorrow's @dailyecho to say thanks to all #saintsfc fans. pic.twitter.com/M0PqP2Jyjw @Swanie_888 Some nobody. Great. Rocket Swanie may have been right about something... (albeit wrong if he thinks this will help Lallana). Scary times
Ampersound Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 He needs a full page as his letter will be written in crayon.
angelman Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 I couldn't agree more with this. He's wasting his time taking out an ad in the a Echo too. Whatever he says will be ridiculed. No one will read it as sincere, the lad lacks integrity. And that is a fact. And whose fault is that? To err is human and given his position and the industry he is in, with agents doing their bit, is it any wonder that injudicious decisions are often made? And really, when it boils down to it, my life hasn't been impacted in any way what so ever.
KingdomCome Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 dailyecho: Adam Lallana has taken a full page advert in tomorrow's @dailyecho to say thanks to all #saintsfc fans. http://t.co/M0PqP2Jyjw "Lulz don't worry lads, me and rickie are just gonna score 12 own goals first game then quit. Saints4lyf" Can't see anything else doing much to change opinion too much just now.
mitch01 Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Yep. His behaviour has cost the club real money... His efforts and performances have seen us rise two divisions and have our best ever season in the PL. Disappointed he felt he had to force a move but I'm not about too start hating him for it, he's been absolutely class for us and who wouldn't want to play for title contenders? He's 26 now, and gets a real shot at being a big player in world football. Sad for Saints but completely understand why he'd want to go.
angelman Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 His efforts and performances have seen us rise two divisions and have our best ever season in the PL. You may not have noticed, but it's a team game and I would beg to differ that it was out best ever season.
madruss Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 He is getting some appalling advice. Paying to take a page in the Echo reeks of arrogant "here's something for the little people" pigheadedness. Even just giving a short statement or an interview with the Echo would have been better but a full page ad from Brand Lallana? Seriously, turn it in. Shame on you, you should feel privileged to be able to read a whole page of Adam's words. I have a feeling this advert will change my life, and the lives of others unfortunate enough to live in Southampton
simo Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 It's all about respect if he'd of shown it he'd of left with our blessings and status intact , he has shown little or none so therefore he gets none back!
The Majestic Channon Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 His efforts and performances have seen us rise two divisions and have our best ever season in the PL. Disappointed he felt he had to force a move but I'm not about too start hating him for it, he's been absolutely class for us and who wouldn't want to play for title contenders? He's 26 now, and gets a real shot at being a big player in world football. Sad for Saints but completely understand why he'd want to go. Sorry but you're one of the few missing the point entirely..doesn't his behaviour rile you? I can guarantee he would have been wished well by a lot more if he had acted with dignity, like rickie has done Sent from my C1905 using Tapatalk
Saint Charlie Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 couldn't agree more! Disagree Dave. All the best posters are stopping posting and you can see why, Bob.
angelman Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 I am presuming that the Echo advert is trying to make amends for what has happened. Let him have his say, ignore it if need be, but really, it's not going to change anything. He's gone. He was off a long time ago, and while I and others might have clung to small glimmers of hope that he would stay, we all really did know that he was finished here. Yes, of course things could seemingly have been handled differently, but what's done is done and nothing is going to be changed. I am presuming he only chose the path he did because he felt that there was no other option available to him. Whether the grass will be greener up north, only time will tell, but it's not our problem. Time to move on now that everyone has called him a **** and told him to **** off, isn't it?
Goatboy Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Should we have seen this coming? When you look closely at Adam's career you can see a clear pattern of such grievious abandonment and duplicity! 1987 - Mother's Womb Adam Lallana spent the first 9 months of his career in his mother's uterus. He was said to be very happy here, attached emotionally and physically to his hometown womb. Alas, Adam soon felt that he had outgrown his environs and after a brief period of contractual negotations ("contractions") he decided to move on. That he would callously abandon his own mother in this fashion is sadly indicative of Lallana's inherently defective morality, but nonetheless he put career before honour. And thus, on 10th May 1988 Adam Lallana fell from his mother's vaginal lips into the waiting hands of an obstetrician, blinked dimly at the world, and did a Cruyff turn. 1999 - Bournemouth AFC Young Adam Lallana lost his footballing cherry at Bournemouth, which was ideal because the Cherries are experts in losing at football. By the age of 12 however he felt, correctly, that his talent had already outstripped what is generally considered appropriate for public consumption at Dean Court and sought a move to south coast giants, Southampton FC. 2000 - Southampton FC I wasn't actually there when Adam Lallana lost his virginity, but it seems a safe bet that after a period of vag kissing he did a Cruyff turn and shot weakly at her tits. These are skills for which he became rightly renowned at Southampton, I mean other than the vag being a badge and the tits being opposition goalkeepers, but you know what I'm saying. I ought to mention also that it was during the early years at Southampton that Adam had his heart removed. The story put about was a "defective valve", but I think we all know the true reason. Despite having no heart Adam found it very difficult to escape the malevolent clutches of Southampton. Over a period of 14 years he was repeatedly forced to accept large payments and 5 year contracts, and in the end he only managed to effect escape from the torture of life as a footballing south-cost demi-god by telling the club, it's staff and loyal fanbase to collectively get fucked. 2014 - England In June of 2014 Adam Lallana abandoned Southampton and signed for England FC. However they could not afford him Champions League football, or to be honest football of any kind, so Adam once again was reduced to seeking opportunities for career advancement elsewhere. 2014 - Liverpool Nowhere are the arts of badge-kissing more valued that at Liverpool. The entire city operates under an unchallenged delusion that they are somehow special. How long Adam will stay at Anfield is unclear, but it is sure to end the moment he finds an opportunity. One thing is for certain, whatever Adam does next will be preceded by a Cruyff turn. RIP :lol:
doddisalegend Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Sorry but you're one of the few missing the point entirely..doesn't his behaviour rile you? I can guarantee he would have been wished well by a lot more if he had acted with dignity, like rickie has done Sent from my C1905 using Tapatalk Lets face it he had saints fans eating out of his hand this season. It would have been very easy, with a bit more thought before opening his gob, to have left saints with the best wishes of the majority of the fan base.
hypochondriac Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Lets face it he had saints fans eating out of his hand this season. It would have been very easy, with a bit more thought before opening his gob, to have left saints with the best wishes of the majority of the fan base. Completely agree. If anyone cannot see this the they are the ones with the problem and not the rest of the fanbase.
offix Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 Ron you are too close to things, take a break. I have sat back and tried to be rational about this. I have no problem Lallana leaving, let's be honest he is at the right age etc etc but what does get my goat is, him refusing to play for the club if not granted a transfer and also what he said when he signed an extension to his contract. I actually think he will not settle at Anfield and, if he had left on decent terms, there would have been a good chance we would have bought him back a la Kevin Davies, but the silly idiot has well and truly burnt his bridges. Don't get irked with the fans, get irked with whoever is advising Lallana. this^
Viking Warrior Posted 1 July, 2014 Posted 1 July, 2014 I know we are all angry and frustrated with what is going on with players leaving I have reflected on Weston's post . And he is right some of the comments have been pretty bad towards Adam I'm not sure what and why Alec crook posted his report about AL refusing to play for the club again . Whether thus is true , partly true or false . What it has done is angered many middle of the road and respected posters . Did MP have anything to do with Al wanting to leave . Re the comments he was taken off at 70 minutes because he wouldn't play the channels Maybe Adam would have stayed who knows but is it possible he had a fall out with MOPO some months ago and decided then he wanted a. Move and there was no turning back ? I'm angry at Adam rightly or wrongly but he was a saint and he did give us some fond memories . . Ideally I wished he had stayed . He chose not to become a saints legend . That's his choice . Will we forgive him . Yes we will in the fullness of time .
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