Nolan Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Some of you will disagree, but this pretty much sums up the feelings of us "glass half full" fans. http://thepremierleagueowl.com/in-decline-no-southampton-have-never-looked-better/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 perhaps a bit optimistic (don't think Lovren or Schneiderlin will be here at kick off) but definitely on the right tracks. last season our lack of squad depth cost us big time....we need a stronger squad to move forward and need to give the Cups a real go this season. Lallana had a golden spell in the middle of last season but then became very ineffective towards the end of the season: like Pochettino, very one dimensional and can only play one way. If we sign this Tadic(?) bloke for around 10 million that could give us a Lallana like creative player and still have 8 million left to spend (Pelle too). So 2 new players that will hopefully strengthen us and the n there is the small matter of 30 million from the Shaw sale which could get us another 4 or 5 players. So we lose 2 players (1 world class, 1 not) and get in 6-7 players to strengthen the squad. What's not to like about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Neel Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Brave, but bizarre attempt to a positive spin on things Take lovren and morgan out of that line up and you have a team of boruc, fonte, clyne, cork, an injured J-Rod and a load of question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Some of you will disagree, but this pretty much sums up the feelings of us "glass half full" fans. http://thepremierleagueowl.com/in-decline-no-southampton-have-never-looked-better/ That is all very well, but this is a premature assessment. We have not yet signed replacements, and the replacements have to prove that they can adapt to the physicality of PM football. And it does not take into account further players who might be on the way out. At this moment in time the exit door is looking like it might be busier than the entry door. I hope the article is right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Way too early for an article like that, to be honest. Even though it's nice to read positive stuff, there's every chance that the team he has listed will not be the team come the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Probably a bit too optimistic, but along the right lines. I see our current situation as a chance to build a squad rather than frantically try to replace players like for like. We could stay away from marquee signings and easily build a larger pool that will keep us up next season. We would then be in a position to make more adventurous signings the following season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 So we sell pretty much 40% of our outfield starting 11 and we are in our best ever position? Would like some of what that guy is smoking. People are acting/talking as if we have already brought in suitable cover which we haven't. When/if that happens then talk about how strong we are because right now it is based on a whole lot of If's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Probably a bit too optimistic, but along the right lines. I see our current situation as a chance to build a squad rather than frantically try to replace players like for like. We could stay away from marquee signings and easily build a larger pool that will keep us up next season. We would then be in a position to make more adventurous signings the following season. Is that you Rupert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 We have a hard hard season ahead I hope it works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Some of you will disagree, but this pretty much sums up the feelings of us "glass half full" fans. http://thepremierleagueowl.com/in-decline-no-southampton-have-never-looked-better/ laughable... you can be as 'glass half full' as you like.. but we are the only team in the PL that is selling off its best assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I dig (deliberate pun) the description as the most "organic" club in the country - do they give silverware for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I thinik we are facing a real slog until Xmas as we try to get our purchases running as a team. If we are still in touch then, a promising future lies ahead. If......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Way too early for an article like that, to be honest. Even though it's nice to read positive stuff, there's every chance that the team he has listed will not be the team come the start of the season. Well it certainly won't include JRod. He may appear before Christmas if we are lucky, whether he will be fully fit by then is difficult to know. So thats 7 playere with another 6 to add according to the author. 13 players, complete joke. Not even Guly to bring on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 It all depends on how we spend the money. As things stand we are half a team short of a starting eleven and another half a dozen short of of a decent squad. J-Rod must be at least a couple of months short of starting and another month or two of getting back to where he was when he was injured. Why no Ramirez in the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 we clearly have looked better. Like the end of last season, for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 It might pan out to be true - we will just have to see what names replace the question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Agree that it's a bit OTT to say we should be waking up laughing. However I certainly don't think it's doom and gloom. Lambert I reckon had one more season at top level left in him, and that pre-supposed he stayed free of injuries which gets harder as we know the older you get. I am looking forward to seeing Targett, and in addition think we need to sign another keeper to challenge Artur, another left back, a centre back to replace Jos (2 if Lovren goes), one or two wide options to replace AL and Puncheon (which we didn't do) and three strikers (cannot rely on JayRod being same player, or when he is ready). An average of £10 million per player means we need to spend £80 million and I think we can. One of them being Danny Ings who loves the club would be a great start. Would also like to see. Gaston start in August to replace AL. His lack of work rate is less important if replacing AL rather than playing alongside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Lallana one dimensional? Christ almighty, that's a turn around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 laughable... you can be as 'glass half full' as you like.. but we are the only team in the PL that is selling off its best assets. Lets not get it twisted,these players are wanting/asking to leave,its not like they are being forced out These players have been with us for years come through the ranks have one good season in the prem and jump ship at the first chance,they will use MP/NC as a excuse to leave but from what I have seen the club is even more stable than it was this time last year. The players that want out will be sold but for the maximum price we can get,we will rebuild and we will be just as strong if not stronger,Koeman is a bigger draw than MP,players will want to come here and play for us and him.there is no loyalty in football to think that everyone of our star players will be like MLT is bonkers,they will go where the money is and there will always be a team offering more than us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Agree that it's a bit OTT to say we should be waking up laughing. However I certainly don't think it's doom and gloom. Lambert I reckon had one more season at top level left in him, and that pre-supposed he stayed free of injuries which gets harder as we know the older you get. I am looking forward to seeing Targett, and in addition think we need to sign another keeper to challenge Artur, another left back, a centre back to replace Jos (2 if Lovren goes), one or two wide options to replace AL and Puncheon (which we didn't do) and three strikers (cannot rely on JayRod being same player, or when he is ready). An average of £10 million per player means we need to spend £80 million and I think we can. One of them being Danny Ings who loves the club would be a great start. Would also like to see. Gaston start in August to replace AL. His lack of work rate is less important if replacing AL rather than playing alongside him. Here's a possible eight: GK Marshall CB Caulker LB Kolojackiwhatsit AM Tadic AM Redmond ST Pelle ST Ings ST Hernandez We certainly wouldn't go down, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Here's a possible eight: GK Marshall CB Caulker LB Kolojackiwhatsit AM Tadic AM Redmond ST Pelle ST Ings ST Hernandez We certainly wouldn't go down, that's for sure. Looks good to me... I'm particularly hopeful that we'll sign Kolojackiwhatsit Also, Tadic looks like an exciting player and for me, Hernandez up front with Pelle would be superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Yes never better so far the board has 1) Tried to keep NC and failed (well they said they wanted to anyway if you read the quotes when he left) 2) Tried to keep MP and failed 3) Tried to keep Luke Shaw and failed (well again they said they did) 4) Tried to keep Lallana and failed 5) They are trying to keep Loveren and Morgan lets see how they do here but am not counting my chickens yet? It is clear that we went into this world cup with 7 players (if you include Lambert) how many will still be Saints players come mid August. that by any bodies account cannot be called progress and I am pretty sure there is no other club in the world that will have lost as many WC players as Saints come the new season We are left with a good manager new to the PL a skeleton of a team and a few talented youngsters 6 weeks before we kick off As we all know money does not Guarantee loyalty, team spirit, commitment or indeed success (unless there is a totally unlimited supply ala Chelski and Manc) Yes we may succeed with a new manager and team but the chances of that are much reduced given all of the above however you look at it whether through rosy spectacles or without! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Here's an excerpt from another independent article I've just read: "Positive Again I am a big fan of both Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana, but to be honest their*transfer*fees have been inflated because they are English players. Foreign players of the same standard would not cost the same fees. If Southampton were going to sell their players then it is good that they have received so much money for them. Southampton has a strong academy that seems to continually churn out players and that will probably keep doing so. The likes of Calum Chambers, James Ward-Prowse and Sam Gallagher were examples of young players from the Saints academy featuring for the Saints last season. This sounds strange, but Southampton could even emerge from this summer stronger than last season. They will have a boss who is hungry for success and players who want to play for the club. Who knows the sales of talented, but overpriced stars like Shaw and Lallana could be a positive for the Saints. Let’s hope so anyway." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 We are left with a good manager new to the PL a skeleton of a team and a few talented youngsters 6 weeks before we kick off. Some skeleton: Boruc Clyne, Fonte, Yoshida, Targett Ramirez, Davis, Wanyama, Cork, JWP Osvaldo / JRod You also seem to have ignored the fact that new players will be joining, Kolodziejczak at left back, Tadic in midfield, a new CB and a couple of goalscorers and we have a very decent premier league team. It's certainly different to last year's, but certainly not the doom and gloom that you suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 (edited) Some skeleton: Boruc Clyne, Fonte, Yoshida, Targett Ramirez, Davis, Wanyama, Cork, JWP Osvaldo / JRod You also seem to have ignored the fact that new players will be joining, Kolodziejczak at left back, Tadic in midfield, a new CB and a couple of goalscorers and we have a very decent premier league team. It's certainly different to last year's, but certainly not the doom and gloom that you suggest. I didn't suggest doom and gloom and it may come off however it is not progress and the chances of succeeding with a new team put together in haste are not that high as we have lost good players commitment and team spirit all difficult to replace no matter how much we spend Also money dosen't guarantee good players unless you can afford to ignore your mistakes and keep spending I cite Carrol Torres and even Osvaldo! As I Saints supporter since 1970 I have seen many ups and downs including much success in the face of adversity and of course I will be fully behind any team we put out but my point remains what is going on cannot be described as progress by the board. Edited 28 June, 2014 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Is there any legs in the LB rumour or just speculation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 In a nutshell:- We are up sh1t creek, but we have a paddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 .......what is going on cannot be described as progress by the board. I am not sure it is possible to be that categoric without seeing how the alleged war chest is spent. Personally I am prepared to wait and see rather than start whining about sales. Lambert aside, the fees we have commanded so far are in "ridiculous" category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I am not sure it is possible to be that categoric without seeing how the alleged war chest is spent. Personally I am prepared to wait and see rather than start whining about sales. Lambert aside, the fees we have commanded so far are in "ridiculous" category. I am not whining about the sales they were inevitable as soon as the investments dried up! I am just not happy at the board dressing up a necessary downgrading of ambition as progress I will be more than pleased if we finish better than 8th next season and it is possible just highly unlikely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I am not whining about the sales they were inevitable as soon as the investments dried up! I am just not happy at the board dressing up a necessary downgrading of ambition as progress I will be more than pleased if we finish better than 8th next season and it is possible just highly unlikely! Sorry - didn't mean to imply that you specifically were whining. More of a general observation really. I still don't think we have downgraded our ambitions necessarily though. We will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 ... 1) Tried to keep NC and failed (well they said they wanted to anyway if you read the quotes when he left) 2) Tried to keep MP and failed 3) Tried to keep Luke Shaw and failed (well again they said they did) 4) Tried to keep Lallana and failed 5) They are trying to keep Lovren and Morgan lets see how they do here but am not counting my chickens yet? .... 1) I think NC's relationship with KL had come to a logical conclusion and his ego prevented him continuing. 2) Once NC went, it was resonaby certain that a 'bigger' cub would come and tempt MP, ( just a shame it was the Yobbos ). 3) & 4) Would you have expected Saints to try and match what Liverpool & ManUtd could offer ? Or to simply block all attempts by the players to move on ? 5) If Arsenal / Barca / whoever can offer something we cannot, would you expect the Board to simply block such moves, or to gain as much recompense as they can get ? We are paying the price for a successful season. If we had finished 14th and none of our players picked by Woy, would we be in the same situation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 1) I think NC's relationship with KL had come to a logical conclusion and his ego prevented him continuing. 2) Once NC went, it was resonaby certain that a 'bigger' cub would come and tempt MP, ( just a shame it was the Yobbos ). 3) & 4) Would you have expected Saints to try and match what Liverpool & ManUtd could offer ? Or to simply block all attempts by the players to move on ? 5) If Arsenal / Barca / whoever can offer something we cannot, would you expect the Board to simply block such moves, or to gain as much recompense as they can get ? We are paying the price for a successful season. If we had finished 14th and none of our players picked by Woy, would we be in the same situation ? As I have stated above what happened was inevitable it was a matter of timing only between NC and KL as both would need to cash in at some point on the increased value of the club /players to recover the investments made they just disagreed on when to stop investing and when to cash in. It was inevitable from the point we stopped investing that the manager and players would go as it was that ambition that was keeping them. My complaint is at the board who keep telling us they are not down grading our ambitions and that they will stop 1 to 5 happening only to look stupid when they cant. Better to be honest and state clearly what we are doing than to fail at every stage of keeping anyone and pass it all off as some sort of planned progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 We do need to wait and see how the new signings and manager work out, but this isn't the bad old days. People keep on mentioning Dixon and Speedie, but how about the Magnificent six in return for Davies. A spent Mark Hughes, A crippled David Howells and Mark 'KINGS FUKIN LYNN' Paul were my highlights. In answer to the bear: Some from abroad, some from within these isles (not necessarily England) Some were picked for the world cup. Only one is uncapped. Is under 28 young? One has a kind of young Sean Bean ruggedness about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 In answer to the bear: Some from abroad, some from within these isles (not necessarily England) Some were picked for the world cup. Only one is uncapped. Is under 28 young? One has a kind of young Sean Bean ruggedness about him. Tks Guan that all sounds v.promising, except for the bit about Sean bean I love you for these ITK infos! I will arrange charity night to see if we can raise you £5 so you can come off the register! I am willing to pledge my sister, she is my top earner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 28 June, 2014 Author Share Posted 28 June, 2014 We do need to wait and see how the new signings and manager work out, but this isn't the bad old days. People keep on mentioning Dixon and Speedie, but how about the Magnificent six in return for Davies. A spent Mark Hughes, A crippled David Howells and Mark 'KINGS FUKIN LYNN' Paul were my highlights. In answer to the bear: Some from abroad, some from within these isles (not necessarily England) Some were picked for the world cup. Only one is uncapped. Is under 28 young? One has a kind of young Sean Bean ruggedness about him. Well that certainly indicates 2 or more foreigners and 2 or more Brits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Tks Guan that all sounds v.promising, except for the bit about Sean bean I love you for these ITK infos! I will arrange charity night to see if we can raise you £5 so you can come off the register! I am willing to pledge my sister, she is my top earner. Who is your lowest earner? Always rooted for underdogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 ur momma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 It's Ned Stark!! We are signing Ned Stark! .........Not a good header of the ball these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 ur momma Thought that new hip may come in handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Brave, but bizarre attempt to a positive spin on things Take lovren and morgan out of that line up and you have a team of boruc, fonte, clyne, cork, an injured J-Rod and a load of question marks. Wanyama, prowse, Davis, chambers, Gallagher... The whole point of being youth is to sell them for more money and the improve, none of these players will stay forever but the goal is that saints improve. People need to get a ****ing grip. We've done all right for the past 5 years after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I thinik we are facing a real slog until Xmas as we try to get our purchases running as a team. If we are still in touch then, a promising future lies ahead. If......... Classic Alpine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Wanyama, prowse, Davis, chambers, Gallagher... The whole point of being youth is to sell them for more money and the improve, none of these players will stay forever but the goal is that saints improve. People need to get a ****ing grip. We've done all right for the past 5 years after all Also, I think we've been more vulnerable because we've only been x2 years in the Premier League. Our success is not yet established. Lallana and co have had a long journey to PL so I can kind of understand them feeling the need to make the most of their opportunities when they happen. Whereas I think we'll be in stronger position with the next generation, especially when we start winning things. We just need to cope well with big change this new season....all down to you Koeman! I think we'll do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I thinik we are facing a real slog until Xmas as we try to get our purchases running as a team. If we are still in touch then, a promising future lies ahead. If......... Wow! This in an Alpine post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I thinik we are facing a real slog until Xmas as we try to get our purchases running as a team. If we are still in touch then, a promising future lies ahead. If......... good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Here's a possible eight: GK Marshall CB Caulker LB Kolojackiwhatsit AM Tadic AM Redmond ST Pelle ST Ings ST Hernandez We certainly wouldn't go down, that's for sure. Sounds good to mw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Wow! This in an Alpine post!! I normally slate alpine but, even if I think he is being a tad melodramatic, there is some uncertainty over next season and with a new manager and x amount of new players we may need time to find our feet once more. I don't anticipate a relegation scrap but certainly would not be shocked to see us in the bottom half at the turn of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 In a nutshell:- We are up sh1t creek, but we have a paddle. That is the best analogy I have read on here. Absolutely spot on Ohio, spot on! (& slightly funny too!) A NOMINATION FOR A GOLDEN POST AWARD... For us retro message boarders! I just hope Les Reed and RoKo know host to paddle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I'm mightily encouraged by the solutions presented by the experts from England's top clubs. When we were playing hardball with the ridiculously, ludicrously high prices we were prepared to accept for Shaw and Lallana, they began to suggest that there were players who could do at least an equal job to those players, but at much less money. The solution is simple. Let's cast our eye over that list and buy the best players from it who wish to play in the PL, not warming the bench at Man Utd or Liverpool, but playing most matches for us.. And we just repeat the exercise with any others like Lovren and Schneiderlin. Ludicrous price and then if they go, we buy from the list of alternatives that are suggested as being as good for less money. It's a winning formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 That is the best analogy I have read on here. Absolutely spot on Ohio, spot on! (& slightly funny too!) A NOMINATION FOR A GOLDEN POST AWARD... For us retro message boarders! I just hope Les Reed and RoKo know host to paddle! Calm down, it's logic rather than genius Sent from my C1905 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 29 June, 2014 Share Posted 29 June, 2014 In a nutshell:- We are up sh1t creek, but we have a paddle. We are up **** creek but we have cash to buy 8 new paddles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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