red&white56 Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 We were quite prepared to offer him a five year contract despite him not being back from injury or fit. So he's not a player that will leave then............ so stop worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 So he's not a player that will leave then............ so stop worrying Eh? What logic is that? He hasn't signed the contract. It's clear we very publicly offered it to him to show we were trying to keep him in the midst of interest from elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 We are not in crisis , not sure why this is being spouted about Ok so we are having a bit of a bumpy patch at the mo . But it not a crisis and we are certainly not doomed But if we were in such a crisis why would we appoints a quality manager and so far 2 decent signings . So scouse gits might be buying tons of players they still have to blend together if they are going to be successful I think there will lots of eventual unrest at clubs like the scousers Everton on not buying many if any . If the had some of our fans they would be saying the toffees were in crises I think some of you on here were far happier when we went into administration than we are to day playing in the premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Eh? What logic is that? He hasn't signed the contract. It's clear we very publicly offered it to him to show we were trying to keep him in the midst of interest from elsewhere. going public with a contract offer (which he is yet to sign) was done for PR reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Eh? What logic is that? He hasn't signed the contract. Yes, and he hasn't signed one for another club either. Nor have Morgan, Lovren, Chambers, etc. Calm down ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 kheidera deal looks like it has fallen through and so arsenal are set to make an £18million pound offer for morgan could he be off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 kheidera deal looks like it has fallen through and so arsenal are set to make an £18million pound offer for morgan could he be off? Not at that price, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 I refuse to believe any of it Guan. Windows, Charlie and Richmond are obviously more reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Yes, and he hasn't signed one for another club either. Nor have Morgan, Lovren, Chambers, etc. Calm down ffs. Please let us know when we are allowed to express discontent. After Lambert leaves? Lallana? Shaw? Lovren? Schneiderlin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Yes, and he hasn't signed one for another club either. Nor have Morgan, Lovren, Chambers, etc. Calm down ffs. Are people using the same sentences they used for Lambert, Lallana and shaw now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Please let us know when we are allowed to express discontent. After Lambert leaves? Lallana? Shaw? Lovren? Schneiderlin? You're talking as if we've lost most of a team and not replaced anyone. We've lost 3, gained 2 plus Targett. What's all the fuss about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 I think some of you on here were far happier when we went into administration than we are to day playing in the premiership I think most people here realise that the start of the path to administration was a poor Boardroom, lack of investment in the 1st team, loss of key players and all that after finishing 8th.... ring a bell? This time we have an owner, a good manager and some cash in the bank. Fingers crossed we invest in players... fingers crossed. Theres no reason to make the same mistakes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 You're talking as if we've lost most of a team and not replaced anyone. We've lost 3, gained 2 plus Targett. What's all the fuss about? where does it stop do we sell fonte cork chambers wanyama all this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 where does it stop do we sell fonte cork chambers wanyama all this summer? Eh? I'm not advocating selling anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Eh? I'm not advocating selling anyone. at what point are we allowed to be concerned that something is not right never has a team that finished top half, with no financial worries been dismantled like this in 1 transfer window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 at what point are we allowed to be concerned that something is not right never has a team that finished top half, with no financial worries been dismantled like this in 1 transfer window I think that's the key point and why many are rightly concerned. We are very likely to lose Morgan and lovren too IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 I think that's the key point and why many are rightly concerned. We are very likely to lose Morgan and lovren too IMO. dont thin I recall players being this vocal about wanting out (collectively) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 We are not in crisis , not sure why this is being spouted about Ok so we are having a bit of a bumpy patch at the mo . But it not a crisis and we are certainly not doomed But if we were in such a crisis why would we appoints a quality manager and so far 2 decent signings . So scouse gits might be buying tons of players they still have to blend together if they are going to be successful I think there will lots of eventual unrest at clubs like the scousers Everton on not buying many if any . If the had some of our fans they would be saying the toffees were in crises I think some of you on here were far happier when we went into administration than we are to day playing in the premiership It doesn't concern you in the slightest that we have changed the coaching set up and have sold and will sell our best players? Not many clubs are able to absorb just change in such a short period, we are not one of them. We need to manage the change really well in order to make sure the impact isn't too severe. Appointing Koeman was very good but more in the context of him being one of the best realistcally available managers around. He is still unproven and this is the biggest step up in his managerial career in terms of competition. None of this is just being nagative for the sake of it, i've not said anything particular controversial but it's the type of post which bizarrely gets a lot of stick at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 dont thin I recall players being this vocal about wanting out (collectively) Indeed. Everything is not rosy behind the scenes and the comments from lovren about a lack of leadership weren't good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Are people using the same sentences they used for Lambert, Lallana and shaw now ? Yea, they have it copied ready to paste. they just keep adding one more player to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Indeed. Everything is not rosy behind the scenes and the comments from lovren about a lack of leadership weren't good. we must be the best every team to have finished 8th. Do not remember the WBA team being pulled apart the season before or their players being so vocal that they wanted out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 There's a lot of contradiction with people on here saying for ages there's nothing we can do to stop players leaving for bigger clubs, but then blaming leadership etc for sales. Which is it? I'm confused. I think we could have put up more of a fight and handled departures a lot better. From a pr perspective we have dreadful, starting from that difficult financial situation comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Indeed. Everything is not rosy behind the scenes and the comments from lovren about a lack of leadership weren't good. If you or Lovren thinks that someone like Ronald Koeman lacks leadership then I despair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Giving away Lambert for £4mill was a ****ing joke. An England international, involved in 46% of our goals FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 we must be the best every team to have finished 8th. Do not remember the WBA team being pulled apart the season before or their players being so vocal that they wanted out How many of their players were wanted by Liverpool or Manchester United??? Do you think that Lovren would want out if Palace were in for him??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 There's a lot of contradiction with people on here saying for ages there's nothing we can do to stop players leaving for bigger clubs, but then blaming leadership etc for sales. Which is it? I'm confused. When it comes to losing all your very best players to the big clubs in one go, I think you can glean something from that can't you? It's not that people don't understand that players will want to move on a some point, you just don't allow it to be done all at once and to the deteriment of momentum which is hard to come by. Strong leadership just wouldn't allow it to happen. If you end up selling everyone because you won't be able to keep players performing or working to their contracts until the time is right, as a leader, you've ****ed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 we must be the best every team to have finished 8th. Do not remember the WBA team being pulled apart the season before or their players being so vocal that they wanted out What WBA players got offered moves to top 4 clubs Jamie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 What WBA players got offered moves to top 4 clubs Jamie? dont know richard white. I suspect a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 When it comes to losing all your very best players to the big clubs in one go, I think you can glean something from that can't you? It's not that people don't understand that players will want to move on a some point, you just don't allow it to be done all at once and to the deteriment of momentum which is hard to come by. Strong leadership just wouldn't allow it to happen. If you end up selling everyone because you won't be able to keep players performing or working to their contracts until the time is right, as a leader, you've ****ed up. Yep. I expected about three to leave this summer but we should have said to the other wantaways that they can go in January unary or next summer which means we could have handled departures a lot better. The way we have done it makes us appear clueless and weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 If you or Lovren thinks that someone like Ronald Koeman lacks leadership then I despair. Koeman is a separate issue. He isn't the club's owner or chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 dont know richard white. I suspect a few. Be honest..you have no idea...do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 dont know richard white. I suspect a few. Such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 I can't see James Morrison, Chris Brunt, Steven Reid, Jonas Olsen or Shane Long interesting clubs in the top 4. The fact is that we probably should have done better, at least some silverware on the back of what was our best ever team. The players we have are being chased by the elite, that is the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 I can't see James Morrison, Chris Brunt, Steven Reid, Jonas Olsen or Shane Long interesting clubs in the top 4. The fact is that we probably should have done better, at least some silverware on the back of what was our best ever team. The players we have are being chased by the elite, that is the difference. Olssen Yacob malumbu were linked with top clubs last summer none left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Olssen Yacob malumbu were linked with top clubs last summer none left Good effort..but poor end product... as they were no where near good enough for the top teams.. try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Good effort..but poor end product... as they were no where near good enough for the top teams.. try again some say lallana and lambert are not either you only have to look at posts on here to predict a season sat on the bench for both of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 some say lallana and lambert are not either you only have to look at posts on here to predict a season sat on the bench for both of them And they probably will be on bench far more than they were here, do you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 some say lallana and lambert are not either you only have to look at posts on here to predict a season sat on the bench for both of them Liverpool ****ed up. They could have got Tadic who is better, for half the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Cutting through all the crap, now would be a good time to make a marquee signing just to show intent (I believe the intent is still there but the club needs to prove it fairly shortly imo). It's great getting the stripes back but I am getting a little hacked off that they think that is all they have to announce to keep us all happy. Stripes don't score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Liverpool ****ed up. They could have got Tadic who is better, for half the price. Hopefully they have and he does prove to be be better...we should wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 (edited) Swansea have done well. Kept bony and where they have just lost Davies, are looking to get a player swap as part of it (gylfi is a great player.) if I were saints then Swansea is the model I would follow, especially as they are a smaller club than us. Edited 20 July, 2014 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Cutting through all the crap, now would be a good time to make a marquee signing just to show intent (I believe the intent is still there but the club needs to prove it fairly shortly imo). It's great getting the stripes back but I am getting a little hacked off that they think that is all they have to announce to keep us all happy. Stripes don't score goals. In the context of your meeting with Ralph, how do you feel about things at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Swansea have done well. Kept bony and where they have just lost Davies, are looking to get a player swap as part of it (gylfi is a great player.) if I were saints then Swansea is the model I would follow, especially as they are a bigger club than us. So far with Bony Bigger club...really...do you actually believe that or are you making bit of mischief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Swansea have done well. Kept bony and where they have just lost Davies, are looking to get a player swap as part of it (gylfi is a great player.) if I were saints then Swansea is the model I would follow, especially as they are a bigger club than us. explain this please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 In the context of your meeting with Ralph, how do you feel about things at the moment? I feel like FF was the last man to see Ralph alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 I feel like FF was the last man to see Ralph alive Did he hit him with a book:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 explain this please Sorry meant smaller! Doh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Sorry meant smaller! Doh predictive text... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Olssen Yacob malumbu were linked with top clubs last summer none left Can you provide links to that? I honestly cannot remember. Maybe a few little glancing eyes and the like, but none of the elite clubs put serious money on the table for any of those players. That's why they all stayed. If Man Utd, Liverpool, Barca, PSG, Man City put serious bids down for club and player, they wouldn't be there any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 July, 2014 Share Posted 20 July, 2014 Can you provide links to that? I honestly cannot remember. Maybe a few little glancing eyes and the like, but none of the elite clubs put serious money on the table for any of those players. That's why they all stayed. If Man Utd, Liverpool, Barca, PSG, Man City put serious bids down for club and player, they wouldn't be there any more. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1874624-transfer-rumour-rater-youssouf-mulumbu-in-surprise-arsenal-switch http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/man-city-boss-pellegrini-keen-west-brom-midfielder-yacob-4010463#.U8wmp4BdVFk http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albions-jonas-olsson-3408549 the first 3 searches found there are loads of those players alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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