Schneiderlin Transfer Rumours

[shurlock]

From what i am told, we are trying to learn from previous mistakes. When we approached Osvaldo, it was obvious he liked the idea of money, and little else we had to offer. Had we not been putting money by for him (as a named target of the incoming manager), we may not have had to sign the compromise that was Forren at an earlier date.

 

So now we are approaching all of our first choice targets simultaneously, trying to keep it as quiet as possible. We may be 'noisy' in regards to lesser players, which i suppose is part and parcel of the game now (anybody remember McManaman at Madrid first time? He wasn't too proud to come in when they meant it though).

 

Of course, until we fully change the perception surrounding the club, which we are actively striving to, every man and his dog will be trying to portray us in the press as a crisis club, and try and unsettle our players.

 

I just ask between now and the 3rd of August that the fretting is kept to a sensible minimum. I would hate to see threads started calling Saints a 'joke club' or claiming we are the 'laughing stock of English football, every time the Daily star links Morgan with Juventus.

 

By first choice targets, what kind of player are we looking at? Similar to the calibre brought in last summer? Internationals? Domestic/foreign? Young/experienced? Price range? RK targets or the fruits of the scouting network?

[KingdomCome]

See schneiderlin is adding "#willbebacksoon" to his tweets

[derry]

From what i am told, we are trying to learn from previous mistakes. When we approached Osvaldo, it was obvious he liked the idea of money, and little else we had to offer. Had we not been putting money by for him (as a named target of the incoming manager), we may not have had to sign the compromise that was Forren at an earlier date.

 

So now we are approaching all of our first choice targets simultaneously, trying to keep it as quiet as possible. We may be 'noisy' in regards to lesser players, which i suppose is part and parcel of the game now (anybody remember McManaman at Madrid first time? He wasn't too proud to come in when they meant it though).

 

Of course, until we fully change the perception surrounding the club, which we are actively striving to, every man and his dog will be trying to portray us in the press as a crisis club, and try and unsettle our players.

 

I just ask between now and the 3rd of August that the fretting is kept to a sensible minimum. I would hate to see threads started calling Saints a 'joke club' or claiming we are the 'laughing stock of English football, every time the Daily star links Morgan with Juventus.

 

Thank you for the comments. I must say that the club have brought this on themselves because of their wishy washy lack of positivity. A statement- No player will leave until the club have completed recruitment for this window and no negotiations will be considered for any player until then.

[johnnyboy]

not really, just seemed to be getting a bit big for his boots to me that's all.

I mean "until we seriously change the perception of the club which WE are trying to do"

That to me says that he is now the official mouthpiece of the club to this forum.

Unlike some eh ?

[angelman]

Hmmm. Last time, I said give saints a week. Now I'm saying, give them two. Then judge what I said.

 

That's all well and good unless it turns out to be Moyes mk II, where he couldn't get anyone and ended up with just a panic buy (who I really wouldn't mind coming to SMS despite the poor season he had last year).

 

Anyway, unlike others, I am happy-ish with things. Not the way that players seem to be able to force moves (in some cases) after less than a year of their contract, but I guess that that is part of my general malcontent with the malaise that I feel surrounds modern day football.

[hypochondriac]

From what i am told, we are trying to learn from previous mistakes. When we approached Osvaldo, it was obvious he liked the idea of money, and little else we had to offer. Had we not been putting money by for him (as a named target of the incoming manager), we may not have had to sign the compromise that was Forren at an earlier date.

 

So now we are approaching all of our first choice targets simultaneously, trying to keep it as quiet as possible. We may be 'noisy' in regards to lesser players, which i suppose is part and parcel of the game now (anybody remember McManaman at Madrid first time? He wasn't too proud to come in when they meant it though).

 

Of course, until we fully change the perception surrounding the club, which we are actively striving to, every man and his dog will be trying to portray us in the press as a crisis club, and try and unsettle our players.

 

I just ask between now and the 3rd of August that the fretting is kept to a sensible minimum. I would hate to see threads started calling Saints a 'joke club' or claiming we are the 'laughing stock of English football, every time the Daily star links Morgan with Juventus.

 

We are a bit of a crisis club though to be fair. We could potentially lose 7 players this summer and are going to find it difficult to replace them all.

[Window Cleaner]

We are a bit of a crisis club though to be fair. We could potentially lose 7 players this summer and are going to find it difficult to replace them all.

 

 

No no no, once we have fully changed the perception of the club they'll all want to come back for free, even pay us to be here.

[Bearsy]

not really, just seemed to be getting a bit big for his boots to me that's all.

 

Cortese left only small boots, they were like leprechaun shoes, tiny and hob-nailed with Cuban heels and a green patent finish. Ralph Krueger tried to occupy them but his plates were large and hairy like hobbit feet, and in any case better suited for ice skates. If Guan is next in line for Cortese's magic shoes, then who are we to argue?

[badgerx16]

We are a bit of a crisis club though to be fair. We could potentially lose 7 players this summer and are going to find it difficult to replace them all.

 

And we could, potentially, have lost all those we are going to, and brought in 5 or 6 to strengthen the squad. It's all speculation, and we ( for some reason ) are the current target for lazy journos.

[SaintRobbie]

See schneiderlin is adding "#willbebacksoon" to his tweets

 

Interesting.

[Window Cleaner]

Interesting.

 

Not really it's just a hashtag for peolple tweeting towards the end of their holidays. He seems to be in Barcelona right now.

[hypochondriac]

And we could, potentially, have lost all those we are going to, and brought in 5 or 6 to strengthen the squad. It's all speculation, and we ( for some reason ) are the current target for lazy journos.

 

Not sure why it's lazy since much of what so called lazy journalists reported since January has actually happened. To anyone who isn't a supporter we look like a club in crisos

[Lallana's Left Peg]

And we could, potentially, have lost all those we are going to, and brought in 5 or 6 to strengthen the squad. It's all speculation, and we ( for some reason ) are the current target for lazy journos.

 

I think that reason may be us failing to convince our Manager to stay and also losing three important players, and also our best defender wanting to leave. It's not as though the accusations are without foundation right now. It's down to the club to get some deals done and adequately replace players.

[Viking Warrior]

Thanks guan . A useful and positive update

But there will be the odd one as has already been demonstrated who will spin your post into a different direction

 

We have a fantastic manager . Who is well respected across most of the globe .

 

RK is a fantastic appointment

[KingdomCome]

Not really it's just a hashtag for peolple tweeting towards the end of their holidays. He seems to be in Barcelona right now.

I'm glad your here to inform us what is officially interesting and what isn't

[Ohio Saint]

I'm glad your here to inform us what is officially interesting and what isn't

 

He's a spokesman for twitter, y'know.

[Toon Saint]

From what i am told, we are trying to learn from previous mistakes. When we approached Osvaldo, it was obvious he liked the idea of money, and little else we had to offer. Had we not been putting money by for him (as a named target of the incoming manager), we may not have had to sign the compromise that was Forren at an earlier date.

 

So now we are approaching all of our first choice targets simultaneously, trying to keep it as quiet as possible. We may be 'noisy' in regards to lesser players, which i suppose is part and parcel of the game now (anybody remember McManaman at Madrid first time? He wasn't too proud to come in when they meant it though).

 

Of course, until we fully change the perception surrounding the club, which we are actively striving to, every man and his dog will be trying to portray us in the press as a crisis club, and try and unsettle our players.

 

I just ask between now and the 3rd of August that the fretting is kept to a sensible minimum. I would hate to see threads started calling Saints a 'joke club' or claiming we are the 'laughing stock of English football, every time the Daily star links Morgan with Juventus.

The problem is that the board no longer seem to be able to control the meta-narrative that now surrounds the club. We are portayed by the press as a crisis club that is under siege, and no doubt prospective players - especially those based in the UK - will think the same and be reluctant to join. I'm sure that the perception of the club that is driven by the media is quite different to the actual circumstances surrounding the club - but what matters more when you are trying to attract new signings? Selling Lovren before any more signings will only reinforce that perception, and will make it doubly harder to get a player of equal quality in.

[Saint Charlie]

Exactly.If you were Vlaar, why would you leave Villa for Saints? Surely from an outside player point of view it looks a mess.

 

Look at our squad in Belgium. You can almost count on one hand the number of proven, decent PL players.

[OldNick]

If I was a top player andSaints were competing with other clubs for my signature, I would think why go there as the club are selling the best players and it looks like a season of struggle. For all the dressing up we are selling and not replacing with as good or better. Read through Reeds quote again and it is holed below the waterline

[Window Cleaner]

If I was a top player andSaints were competing with other clubs for my signature, I would think why go there as the club are selling the best players and it looks like a season of struggle. For all the dressing up we are selling and not replacing with as good or better. Read through Reeds quote again and it is holed below the waterline

 

Aren't they all. Still most of those that read them don't actually bother to work out what's been said. Perhaps Reed himself is being strung along, who knows. It's easy to believe what you want to believe. Still the sales of Lovren and Schneiderlin haven't happened yet, there'll be plenty of time to reflect on Reed's quotes when they do.

[sadoldgit]

I think that reason may be us failing to convince our Manager to stay and also losing three important players' date=' and also our best defender wanting to leave. It's not as though the accusations are without foundation right now. It's down to the club to get some deals done and adequately replace players.[/quote']

 

I dont think anything we said would have preventing Pochettino from going to Spurs so how is that a failure?

[sadoldgit]

Exactly.If you were Vlaar, why would you leave Villa for Saints? Surely from an outside player point of view it looks a mess.

 

Look at our squad in Belgium. You can almost count on one hand the number of proven, decent PL players.

 

Several playrs are still on holiday. When they return we have a decent squad.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

I dont think anything we said would have preventing Pochettino from going to Spurs so how is that a failure?

 

I never declared it as a failure.

 

It does however point to a club who, at least on the face of it right now, is going to struggle next season compared to last seasons achievements. So why shouldn't the media point this out right now?

[OldNick]

Several playrs are still on holiday. When they return we have a decent squad.

So potentially our CBS are are a choice between Yoshidas, hoos and Fonte (not offered a new contract) I'm sure Arthur is relishing the start of the season.

[OldNick]

So you think Lovren will be sold and not replaced?

I would not be confident, considering Fonte has been left on a lead waiting to see if he is to be offered a contract it would be mad not to have had a centre back already signed. IMO if we had tied down a CB already clubs would not be able to hold us to ransome as they will now as we will be cashed up and obviously desperate to sign a centre half. Add to that they will not want to lose such a player 2weeks from the start of the season.

[Frank's cousin]

So potentially our CBS are are a choice between Yoshidas, hoos and Fonte (not offered a new contract) I'm sure Arthur is relishing the start of the season.

 

 

Seems like it... Admire Guans positivity, but he is starting to sound like he is 'presenting the party line'.... Personally, think we are fecked,... We ARE a club in crisis until things happen to change that perception... Right now, our best players have gone or will be going, and have been replaced by good,yet unproven players in this league... Yet last season we were already moaning that our squad was too thin.... When we had injuries and suspensions we were poor and beaten frequently...heaven help us this year!

 

Lose our best players and replace with less in number and quality.... So tell me exactly how this translates as faith in the board t deliver a progressive and ambitious 'project'?

[OldNick]

Seems like it... Admire Guans positivity, but he is starting to sound like he is 'presenting the party line'.... Personally, think we are fecked,... We ARE a club in crisis until things happen to change that perception... Right now, our best players have gone or will be going, and have been replaced by good,yet unproven players in this league... Yet last season we were already moaning that our squad was too thin.... When we had injuries and suspensions we were poor and beaten frequently...heaven help us this year!

 

Lose our best players and replace with less in number and quality.... So tell me exactly how this translates as faith in the board t deliver a progressive and ambitious 'project'?

FC I absolutely detest being so negative about about he club I have put so much into over the years. ML together with NC gave us a drive that seems to me has been lost with the sad departure of ML. Now I feel we have have his sibling who understandably does not have the same love/desire. The removal of ML choice to make the dream happen started for things to unravel. All IMO of course, KL inheritance I assume is tied up to a degree in the club and perhaps she is not prepared to risk it and so drawing some of it back in. At present we have only lost 3players and so I should perhaps not be so down, but it seems to me we have lost the drive. I felt that losing LS AL was not a major problem but to lose Lovren and MS would be disasterous. If we manage to keep them then my concerns will be wiped away, let's hope this week brings some quality players in rather than out

[Toon Saint]

FC I absolutely detest being so negative about about he club I have put so much into over the years. ML together with NC gave us a drive that seems to me has been lost with the sad departure of ML. Now I feel we have have his sibling who understandably does not have the same love/desire. The removal of ML choice to make the dream happen started for things to unravel. All IMO of course, KL inheritance I assume is tied up to a degree in the club and perhaps she is not prepared to risk it and so drawing some of it back in. At present we have only lost 3players and so I should perhaps not be so down, but it seems to me we have lost the drive. I felt that losing LS AL was not a major problem but to lose Lovren and MS would be disasterous. If we manage to keep them then my concerns will be wiped away, let's hope this week brings some quality players in rather than out

Honestly don't think it's KL's commitment or desire that has cost us but her inexperience and competency. The decision to appoint Krueger as Chairman over Williams was an absolute clanger in retrospect, and we seemed to sleepwalk through January to May with little public leadership or direction. There's been an improvement with Reed taking a more prominent role and Krueger kept back, but the damage was done - both to player morale and media perception - during that time.

[CB Fry]

FC I absolutely detest being so negative about about he club I have put so much into over the years. ML together with NC gave us a drive that seems to me has been lost with the sad departure of ML. Now I feel we have have his sibling who understandably does not have the same love/desire. The removal of ML choice to make the dream happen started for things to unravel. All IMO of course, KL inheritance I assume is tied up to a degree in the club and perhaps she is not prepared to risk it and so drawing some of it back in. At present we have only lost 3players and so I should perhaps not be so down, but it seems to me we have lost the drive. I felt that losing LS AL was not a major problem but to lose Lovren and MS would be disasterous. If we manage to keep them then my concerns will be wiped away, let's hope this week brings some quality players in rather than out

 

You do realise ML died when we were in L1?

 

Oh, and you don't know what sibling is, either.

[Donatello]

not really, just seemed to be getting a bit big for his boots to me that's all.

I mean "until we seriously change the perception of the club which WE are trying to do"

That to me says that he is now the official mouthpiece of the club to this forum.

 

Or a fan. And this "too big for his boots" is complete tripe. One of the very few who contributes anything of genuine substance.

[Donatello]

Aren't they all. Still most of those that read them don't actually bother to work out what's been said. Perhaps Reed himself is being strung along, who knows. It's easy to believe what you want to believe. Still the sales of Lovren and Schneiderlin haven't happened yet, there'll be plenty of time to reflect on Reed's quotes when they do.

 

[shirleysfc]

Exactly.If you were Vlaar, why would you leave Villa for Saints? Surely from an outside player point of view it looks a mess.

 

Look at our squad in Belgium. You can almost count on one hand the number of proven, decent PL players.

 

You're right, I'd much rather stay at Villa and play with Joe Cole and Phillipe Senderos...

 

Assuming a big club aren't in for him, offer him enough money and he'd come,

[Frank's cousin]

FC I absolutely detest being so negative about about he club I have put so much into over the years. ML together with NC gave us a drive that seems to me has been lost with the sad departure of ML. Now I feel we have have his sibling who understandably does not have the same love/desire. The removal of ML choice to make the dream happen started for things to unravel. All IMO of course, KL inheritance I assume is tied up to a degree in the club and perhaps she is not prepared to risk it and so drawing some of it back in. At present we have only lost 3players and so I should perhaps not be so down, but it seems to me we have lost the drive. I felt that losing LS AL was not a major problem but to lose Lovren and MS would be disasterous. If we manage to keep them then my concerns will be wiped away, let's hope this week brings some quality players in rather than out

 

 

 

 

Problem I have is that football is a pastime, something fun and enjoyable that we should be able to connect with. It takes over a bit because of innate tribalism and can let us become 'obsessed' - frankly, if we are crap, and get relegated what does it matter? - well it does. Supporting a provincial side is never going to give you the joy of regular success, let alone silverware... That is accepted and understood.... But there does come a time, maybe once in a blue moon/30 years that you can do better.

 

 

the saddest thing is how poorly KL appears to be being advised (IMHO) - I fully understand that if her heart/ desire is not there she is under no obligation to spend her money - and we all know football is notorious for losing money, but in our case I do think value of her investment return should be judged on the amount invested compared to the value of the assert. We can estimate that her investment to date is probably around 50-60 mil, but some of that may be refundable loans as teh only equity value stated to date is 38mil... Yet the company now has a turnover in excess of 100mil and had a value of in excess of that.... Yet we seem to have decided on a policy of selling to cover costs normal clubs would be comfortable spreading over a number of years.... Further support to have let that squad develop with the addition of no more than 2 players could have seen the value of that investment increase even further....

 

 

If she wants out, and has no interest, fair enough, I would thank her for supporting her fathers plan for these past five years and appreciate all she had done. But to in effect let it go backwards, potentially struggle, or get related is just daft... Why are experienced football business folks not advising that there is potential here to do even better?

 

 

its just sad, that's all. We will go on , survive and return to our natural place... For some conditioned to the 'modern game' that seems enough, and ultimately, for supporters we continue, whatever.... But without any ambition or desire to be better, quite frankly what is the point .... It's accepting that thee is no true sporting contest possible, and that is depressing.

[Weston Super Saint]

To be fair, I'd say that Blackpool are a crisis club.

 

We seem to be in a much better position than they are, ergo we aren't a crisis club.

 

We've sold three players and signed two. It's not the end of the world!

[sadoldgit]

Exactly.If you were Vlaar, why would you leave Villa for Saints? Surely from an outside player point of view it looks a mess.

 

Look at our squad in Belgium. You can almost count on one hand the number of proven, decent PL players.

 

If it didnt put Pelle and Tadic off why should it deter Vlaar?

[Saint Charlie]

If it didnt put Pelle and Tadic off why should it deter Vlaar?

 

Great opportunity for those players to play in the PL shopwindow. Plus big pay increase.

[hypochondriac]

God this is depressing. 6 maybe 7 first team players to leave that has never happened in he prem before.

[Turkish]

FFS people, all this complaining, remember where we were 5 years ago!!!

[sadoldgit]

Problem I have is that football is a pastime, something fun and enjoyable that we should be able to connect with. It takes over a bit because of innate tribalism and can let us become 'obsessed' - frankly, if we are crap, and get relegated what does it matter? - well it does. Supporting a provincial side is never going to give you the joy of regular success, let alone silverware... That is accepted and understood.... But there does come a time, maybe once in a blue moon/30 years that you can do better.

 

the saddest thing is how poorly KL appears to be being advised (IMHO) - I fully understand that if her heart/ desire is not there she is under no obligation to spend her money - and we all know football is notorious for losing money, but in our case I do think value of her investment return should be judged on the amount invested compared to the value of the assert. We can estimate that her investment to date is probably around 50-60 mil, but some of that may be refundable loans as teh only equity value stated to date is 38mil... Yet the company now has a turnover in excess of 100mil and had a value of in excess of that.... Yet we seem to have decided on a policy of selling to cover costs normal clubs would be comfortable spreading over a number of years.... Further support to have let that squad develop with the addition of no more than 2 players could have seen the value of that investment increase even further....

 

 

If she wants out, and has no interest, fair enough, I would thank her for supporting her fathers plan for these past five years and appreciate all she had done. But to in effect let it go backwards, potentially struggle, or get related is just daft... Why are experienced football business folks not advising that there is potential here to do even better?

 

 

its just sad, that's all. We will go on , survive and return to our natural place... For some conditioned to the 'modern game' that seems enough, and ultimately, for supporters we continue, whatever.... But without any ambition or desire to be better, quite frankly what is the point .... It's accepting that thee is no true sporting contest possible, and that is depressing.

 

What has happened to you FC? You could be relied upon to write moderate posts once up a time and now you have become a bedwetter. It KL wasnt bothered about SFC why hs she just recruited a manager with the status of Ronald Koeman? We have lost some players that no other club in our situation could keep hold off. Where is the problem? I dont think for one minute that Lallana and Shaw would still be here is Cortese and Pochettino were still here or if Markus was still alive. The lure of Liverpool and United will always be too great. Cheer up....for goodness sake mate. Koeman has talked about improving on last year. Isnt that ambition or a desire to be better?

[sadoldgit]

God this is depressing. 6 maybe 7 first team players to leave that has never happened in he prem before.

 

3. Three. That is the number of players who have left. Three. Two have come in.

[S-Clarke]

3. Three. That is the number of players who have left. Three. Two have come in.

 

Even if we lose Lovren, that's 4. Where are the 6/7 coming from?

 

Please don't tell me people are including Guly and Fox in any calculations just to make their point look more dramatic.

[Donatello]

Double post.

[Donatello]

Even if we lose Lovren, that's 4. Where are the 6/7 coming from?

 

Please don't tell me people are including Guly and Fox in any calculations just to make their point look more dramatic.

 

His outlandish imagination.

[badgerx16]

To be fair, I'd say that Blackpool are a crisis club.

 

We seem to be in a much better position than they are, ergo we aren't a crisis club.

 

They could easily lose their new manager before the end of the week, that would be a shorter tenure than Appy managed at Bloomfield Road, and mean that he would have managed 0 competitive matches.

[hypochondriac]

3. Three. That is the number of players who have left. Three. Two have come in.

 

Reported that lovren will be leaving. Jay rod has been linked away as has Morgan. Why would they stay when the others have all left? I expect they will go as well.

[Turkish]

What has happened to you FC? You could be relied upon to write moderate posts once up a time and now you have become a bedwetter. It KL wasnt bothered about SFC why hs she just recruited a manager with the status of Ronald Koeman? We have lost some players that no other club in our situation could keep hold off. Where is the problem? I dont think for one minute that Lallana and Shaw would still be here is Cortese and Pochettino were still here or if Markus was still alive. The lure of Liverpool and United will always be too great. Cheer up....for goodness sake mate. Koeman has talked about improving on last year. Isnt that ambition or a desire to be better?

 

His hero has gone and his champions league dream is over. He was like a junkie and Cortese words were like heroin, now he's gone cold turkey and is clucking. Its sad to see but unfortunately that's what happens when you can't handle your addiction.

[red&white56]

Reported that lovren will be leaving. Jay rod has been linked away as has Morgan. Why would they stay when the others have all left? I expect they will go as well.

 

Who do you expect to sign Jay Rod until he's back from injury and fit?????

[Smirking_Saint]

Not sure why it's lazy since much of what so called lazy journalists reported since January has actually happened. To anyone who isn't a supporter we look like a club in crisos

 

We arent far from a club in crisis, arguably if MS and DL leave Id say we were exactly that

[hypochondriac]

Who do you expect to sign Jay Rod until he's back from injury and fit?????

 

We were quite prepared to offer him a five year contract despite him not being back from injury or fit.

[hypochondriac]

We arent far from a club in crisis, arguably if MS and DL leave Id say we were exactly that

 

I agree. Not in anyone's worst predictions would they have imagined that would happen in may, no matter how people try to spin it.