Schneiderlin Transfer Rumours

[angelman]

Tell me then, what was the ambition and how has it changed? Not guesswork, but hard facts.

[Smirking_Saint]

Tell me then, what was the ambition and how has it changed? Not guesswork, but hard facts.

 

I think regardless of whether it was achieveable the players sucked up NC's words of attempting to get into the top 6-4, he also clearly was in their ear. After NC left the players were speaking of buying to match ambition and a few months later were trying to force moves.

 

I have no idea the new boards ambitions, its obvious now it is progression and obvious that they are not going for something that isnt achieveable.

 

Lets not make the mistake Im bashing the board here, Im not, I trust we are in good hands, im equally not over the moon either. Maybe its fence sitting, personally Id rather get a general idea of whats happening by looking at both sides of the arguement.

[St Marco]

I presume that's what St Marco is saying in effect - "why, for goodness sakes, isn't 'the Board' paying every player exactly what they're asking for? Irrespective of whether it is affordable or good business sense"

 

Or how about making the players honour the contracts they have signed?

 

Rather than doing what's best for the players how about doing what's best for the club? Anyone who thinks that's letting 5 of its 10 outfield players go is good business is crazy.

[Window Cleaner]

Or how about making the players honour the contracts they have signed?

 

Rather than doing what's best for the players how about doing what's best for the club? Anyone who thinks that's letting 5 of its 10 outfield players go is good business is crazy.

 

How do we know what the fine print in those contracts says. The low valuation for Morgan's release that I see everywhere suggests to me (ie me, myself,moi-même) that there is a release clause in his contract. No confirmation of that whatsoever but the general consensus is that he would be available for only about 14 million £ and that says "release clause under certain conditions"

[shirley precinct]

Tell me then, what was the ambition and how has it changed? Not guesswork, but hard facts.

 

Good point, that. NC always made his ambitions fairly obvious, but did ML ever say what he wanted for the club? Maybe I've just forgotten about it - I'd be genuinely interested to be reminded if he did.

[Window Cleaner]

Good point, that. NC always made his ambitions fairly obvious, but did ML ever say what he wanted for the club? Maybe I've just forgotten about it - I'd be genuinely interested to be reminded if he did.

 

 

Well the old wives story says that ML wanted to make us a solid mid-table PL club but that NC told him that he couldn't settle for that and wanted CL football to which ML is supposed to have replied "do what you have to do". Sounds a bit Clint Eastwood to me but that's the story that went round 5 years back.

[CB Fry]

Well the old wives story says that ML wanted to make us a solid mid-table PL club but that NC told him that he couldn't settle for that and wanted CL football to which ML is supposed to have replied "do what you have to do". Sounds a bit Clint Eastwood to me but that's the story that went round 5 years back.

Either way, the original 5 year plan was to establish ourselves as a Premier League club, and ML (or anyone connected to the club) never said anything about the CL when he was alive. Just bulls h it from the Italian bulls h itter.

 

The players are not leaving because of some disillusionment with the clubs "vision" or "ambition" it because they have the opportunity to play for Man United and Liverpool.

 

Funny no one on here is having intense discussions as to why Tadic was so disillusioned with Twente ' s vision and ambition, ain't it?

[angelman]

Most clubs dream of CL - there's little point setting your bar too low. But people are getting far too hung up on the ambitions of an ambitious employee playing with someone else's money.

[Frank's cousin]

Its a hard balance to strike. If you have three wantaways what is worse - allowing them to go and removing the spine of the team, or forcing them to stay and creating a nucleus of unrest which saps team spirit?

 

Thinking of striking when you are earning £30k plus a week because you can't go earn £80k a week else where because of your contract is pretty disgusting. Striking because the wages you earn for 50 hours a week can't feed your family, as was the case 100 years ago, is what that RIGHT is all about! not for some greedy, pampered ****wits mostly too thick to do anything else.

 

These players have agents and advisors who they pay. If these advisors let them down by getting them to sign a contract they want to get out of within 12 months, they should be sacking their agents, not threatening to strike.

 

Any prem footballer throwing their dummy out the pram and threatening to strike to get a move is a just a despicable c**t. There is simply no justification - if you think you might improve and want a better deal, sine a shorter contract for less money... It's not as if this sort of thing has not been happening for years.... Seriously these players are thick as shi*t and yet kids and sadly some adults idolise them..... Jeez

[Whitey Grandad]

What they need to remember is that they only have the chance to go and triple their money because they have been given the chance to prove themselves first at our club and the decent and honourable course is to see out their contracts first.

[Charlie Wayman]

My guess is that Lovren and Schneiderlin will be asked to stay until December to help stabilise the Club and to see how things go under the new manager from their point of view. That should be enough time to find and secure decent replacements if they do decide to go and more importantly to see if we really do have the basis of a serious new project. What could be a fairer solution for all parties?

 

If at that point they decide it is not for them then they will be allowed to leave with our blessing and not a small amount of goodwill from the club and fans for at least giving it a go and not plunging us into an abyss in August. After all surely they must have some feeling of responsibility towards the club for what it has done for their careers... i.e. given them a platform to show their skills and come to a position of prominence.

[CB Fry]

Thinking of striking when you are earning £30k plus a week because you can't go earn £80k a week else where because of your contract is pretty disgusting. Striking because the wages you earn for 50 hours a week can't feed your family, as was the case 100 years ago, is what that RIGHT is all about! not for some greedy, pampered ****wits mostly too thick to do anything else.

 

These players have agents and advisors who they pay. If these advisors let them down by getting them to sign a contract they want to get out of within 12 months, they should be sacking their agents, not threatening to strike.

 

Any prem footballer throwing their dummy out the pram and threatening to strike to get a move is a just a despicable c**t. There is simply no justification - if you think you might improve and want a better deal, sine a shorter contract for less money... It's not as if this sort of thing has not been happening for years.... Seriously these players are thick as shi*t and yet kids and sadly some adults idolise them..... Jeez

Nice lecture about players going on strike in response to someone that didn't talk about players going on strike.

 

Players can be disruptive and difficult without going on strike or even threatening to.

[Dig Dig]

Either way, the original 5 year plan was to establish ourselves as a Premier League club, and ML (or anyone connected to the club) never said anything about the CL when he was alive. Just bulls h it from the Italian bulls h itter.

 

The players are not leaving because of some disillusionment with the clubs "vision" or "ambition" it because they have the opportunity to play for Man United and Liverpool.

 

Funny no one on here is having intense discussions as to why Tadic was so disillusioned with Twente ' s vision and ambition, ain't it?

 

If you're interested in bull****, have you heard the stuff about our difficult financial situation, how comfortable everyone was with Poch's situation, how we wouldn't be selling off our best players or at least no player which the manager wants and how all money raised on player sales will be reinvested in the squad?

 

The stuff has been shovelled about for months.

[CB Fry]

If you're interested in bull****, have you heard the stuff about our difficult financial situation, how comfortable everyone was with Poch's situation, how we wouldn't be selling off our best players or at least no player which the manager wants and how all money raised on player sales will be reinvested in the squad?

 

The stuff has been shovelled about for months.

I think you need learn to read sutuations a bit better than you do now.

 

Then you wouldn't be openly weeping "but they pwomised no one would ever leave, they pwomised!"

 

Thoroughly looking forward to the dins doing their little sums on September 1st - they said they'd spend every penny they did THEY PWOMISED!!

[Turkish]

If you're interested in bull****, have you heard the stuff about our difficult financial situation, how comfortable everyone was with Poch's situation, how we wouldn't be selling off our best players or at least no player which the manager wants and how all money raised on player sales will be reinvested in the squad?

 

The stuff has been shovelled about for months.

 

Surely this was ambition? It does matter if it wasn't true or achievable, all that matters was it was said, therefore they have incredible drive and ambition.

[Dig Dig]

I think you need learn to read sutuations a bit better than you do now.

 

Then you wouldn't be openly weeping "but they pwomised no one would ever leave, they pwomised!"

 

Thoroughly looking forward to the dins doing their little sums on September 1st - they said they'd spend every penny they did THEY PWOMISED!!

 

That's not how you spell "promised" mate.

 

And we will be way, way short of spending anywhere near what we have raised come September 1st, it won't even be worth the dins using a calculator.

[Dig Dig]

Surely this was ambition? It does matter if it wasn't true or achievable, all that matters was it was said, therefore they have incredible drive and ambition.

 

As long as everyone is measured by the same standards, that's all you can ask.

[Turkish]

I think you need learn to read sutuations a bit better than you do now.

 

Then you wouldn't be openly weeping "but they pwomised no one would ever leave, they pwomised!"

 

Thoroughly looking forward to the dins doing their little sums on September 1st - they said they'd spend every penny they did THEY PWOMISED!!

 

I love the fag packet maths that we seen on here from time to time..

 

So we sell

Lalana £25m

Lambert £4m

Shaw £30m

Lovren £20m

Schniderlin £30m a leg

Pochetino compo £2m

Osvaldo £7m

 

= £118m

+ £35m we had anyway

= £153m

 

Sign

Pelle £7m

Tadic £10m

Calasie £10m

Forster £8m

Virgil £7m

Blind £10m (yes blind who is being linked with Barcelona)

Vlaar £5m

De vrij £12m

New left back £10m

Danny Ings £8m

Redmond £6m

= £93m

 

Leaves us with £60m to spend in January happy days.

 

And if anyone tries it on wanting more than £10m for a player they are taking the p*ss coz they know we've got money, they should just sell them and not try and get a good price! this is DISGUSTING I tell thee.

 

This is when we ring up Arsene Wenger for one of our made up conversations about signing Cazrola who hasn't played much or something,

Edited 19 July, 2014 by Turkish

[Turkish]

As long as everyone is measured by the same standards, that's all you can ask.

 

Absolutely agree, I mean they could have said they ripped up all the bids and chucked them in the bin, but then sold the players anyway. Now that would be ambition.

[shurlock]

I think you need learn to read sutuations a bit better than you do now.

 

Then you wouldn't be openly weeping "but they pwomised no one would ever leave, they pwomised!"

 

Thoroughly looking forward to the dins doing their little sums on September 1st - they said they'd spend every penny they did THEY PWOMISED!!

 

Perhaps, you could articulate what a 'credible and aspirational' vision looks like then after Ralphy made you look a royal tit.

 

By the way, it's spelt situation.

Edited 19 July, 2014 by shurlock

[corky morris]

I think it's common sense really.

 

I earn £35k a week and my mate has just got a £1m signing on bonus and is now earning £80k a week - I want a piece of that.

 

I don't get what's difficult to fathom out of that.

 

Exactly!

[Alejam]

When is Morgan due back? Haven't been on here for a while, I expect it's been said on here.

[Dig Dig]

Absolutely agree, I mean they could have said they ripped up all the bids and chucked them in the bin, but then sold the players anyway. Now that would be ambition.

 

They could also continue to talk about Europe and the Champions League but somehow manage it with worse players.

 

I think I'm getting the hang of this situation reading like them smart folks which writes stuff on ere

[OldNick]

I love the fag packet maths that we seen on here from time to time..

 

So we sell

Lalana £25m

Lambert £4m

Shaw £30m

Lovren £20m

Schniderlin £30m a leg

Pochetino compo £2m

Osvaldo £7m

 

= £118m

+ £35m we had anyway

= £153m

 

Sign

Pelle £7m

Tadic £10m

Calasie £10m

Forster £8m

Virgil £7m

Blind £10m (yes blind who is being linked with Barcelona)

Vlaar £5m

De vrij £12m

New left back £10m

Danny Ings £8m

Redmond £6m

= £93m

 

Leaves us with £60m to spend in January happy days.

 

And if anyone tries it on wanting more than £10m for a player they are taking the p*ss coz they know we've got money, they should just sell them and not try and get a good price! this is DISGUSTING I tell thee.

 

This is when we ring up Arsene Wenger for one of our made up conversations about signing Cazrola who hasn't played much or something,

I like the assertions on here from time to time where fans make lists of players they think we might sign and use that as a figure of spending. I prefer to look at it that we were assured by the club that 35m would be added to money coming in and spent. At present we have the 35m 'war chest' lol and the sales of players in the region of 60 m. We may have spent 17, conveniently any other future buys will be not published. Try and work out how we have spent then. IMO we will buy a couple more players in the 5-7 m range and flood in a few loans and frees and dress them up as major buys. That will allow Reed still to be worshipped as the chosen one, 'I have his gourd, the Holy gourd, it is a sign'

[Smirking_Saint]

I think you need learn to read sutuations a bit better than you do now.

 

Then you wouldn't be openly weeping "but they pwomised no one would ever leave, they pwomised!"

 

Thoroughly looking forward to the dins doing their little sums on September 1st - they said they'd spend every penny they did THEY PWOMISED!!

 

Whilst I agree, you cant really argue that both are at pretty similar levels on the bull****ometer

[Fowllyd]

I like the assertions on here from time to time where fans make lists of players they think we might sign and use that as a figure of spending. I prefer to look at it that we were assured by the club that 35m would be added to money coming in and spent. At present we have the 35m 'war chest' lol and the sales of players in the region of 60 m. We may have spent 17, conveniently any other future buys will be not published. Try and work out how we have spent then. IMO we will buy a couple more players in the 5-7 m range and flood in a few loans and frees and dress them up as major buys. That will allow Reed still to be worshipped as the chosen one, 'I have his gourd, the Holy gourd, it is a sign'

 

Were we? When was this assurance given and by whom?

[BlakeySFC]

Don't know why everyone is so worried, been no significant rumours about MS leaving for now (apart from him following Spurs on twitter last night briefly) so I'm not really bothered at this point in time, I think he'll stay and may go in January/Summer 2015 personally, same with Lovren.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Losing 3 first team players for big money isn't ideal but is manageable. Losing 5 first team players in one window, regardless of monies received, is verging on incompetent. If Morgan goes it will be for 20 million at most which isn't big money for him IMO. At some point the board have to say "no more leave" and after Lovren (25 million) that needs to be it. The recent track record of big squad changes in one transfer window makes pretty grim reading and we need to prevent that.

 

Keep Morgan for 1 more year at least

 

 

Losing five starters is losing the heart of the team! It will be extremely hard to recover.

It is indeed incompetence by the board however you look at it. They should have anticipated this and sought to limit the damage months ago well before Mopo left.

A team is not just about good players it is about motivation and team spirit as well. We had plenty of it over the last four years but now it looks like we will have to rebuild from scratch.

It is possible to do, but very very risky. Getting good players on the transfer market that come off is risky enough without having to add the risk of getting a team to gel from scratch too.

We did not need to be in this position and could have managed two or three exists far better than it appears we did without ripping the heart of the team out!

 

I hope we get it right.

[Window Cleaner]

Were we? When was this assurance given and by whom?

 

 

I think most give Guan far more credibility than they need to, twas he who broached the 35 million + sales figure. However Les Reed did intimate that all funds received would be invested in making us a better club or whatever it was, that could easily mean paying off the bill for the training complex.

[angelman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698966/Morgan-Schneiderlin-prefer-rejoin-Mauricio-Pochettino-Spurs-sign-Arsenal.html

[Polaroid Saint]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698966/Morgan-Schneiderlin-prefer-rejoin-Mauricio-Pochettino-Spurs-sign-Arsenal.html

 

Not a single quote in that 'article' from Morgan.

 

Just Simon 'Lazy Bones' Jones earning his corn with aplomb as usual, flinging any old sh;t in the hope some sticks.

[angelman]

I imagine it had something to do with MS twitter activity.

[Polaroid Saint]

I imagine it had something to do with MS twitter activity.

 

Oh. Did I miss something? What did Morgan say on twitter then?

[Guan 2.0]

I think most give Guan far more credibility than they need to, twas he who broached the 35 million + sales figure. However Les Reed did intimate that all funds received would be invested in making us a better club or whatever it was, that could easily mean paying off the bill for the training complex.

 

Hmmm. Last time, I said give saints a week. Now I'm saying, give them two. Then judge what I said.

[Batman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698966/Morgan-Schneiderlin-prefer-rejoin-Mauricio-Pochettino-Spurs-sign-Arsenal.html

[hypochondriac]

Hmmm. Last time, I said give saints a week. Now I'm saying, give them two. Then judge what I said.

 

Really need to start getting in some players. Any update?

[Smirking_Saint]

Hmmm. Last time, I said give saints a week. Now I'm saying, give them two. Then judge what I said.

 

Ill judge what you said, but if we lose two more players we will be in crisis regardless of who is incoming. We need to get some names through the door and need to tell those wishing to leave they are staying put.

 

If we lose Jay aswell as morgan and lovren it would be the very worst performance of any saints board in any TW in my memory

[SaintRichmond]

Don't know why everyone is so worried, been no significant rumours about MS leaving for now (apart from him following Spurs on twitter last night briefly) so I'm not really bothered at this point in time, I think he'll stay and may go in January/Summer 2015 personally, same with Lovren.

 

 

When is your next Optical Assessment ??

[Lallana's Left Peg]

It doesn't feel like we're giving him any reason to stay, however there are 6 weeks left of a transfer window. Let's hope the club manage to get some things done as right now it feels like we're closer to losing him than keeping him. I think the only thing that is to our advantage is that Arsenal have him third or fourth choice as a target.

[Guan 2.0]

Really need to start getting in some players. Any update?

 

From what i am told, we are trying to learn from previous mistakes. When we approached Osvaldo, it was obvious he liked the idea of money, and little else we had to offer. Had we not been putting money by for him (as a named target of the incoming manager), we may not have had to sign the compromise that was Forren at an earlier date.

 

So now we are approaching all of our first choice targets simultaneously, trying to keep it as quiet as possible. We may be 'noisy' in regards to lesser players, which i suppose is part and parcel of the game now (anybody remember McManaman at Madrid first time? He wasn't too proud to come in when they meant it though).

 

Of course, until we fully change the perception surrounding the club, which we are actively striving to, every man and his dog will be trying to portray us in the press as a crisis club, and try and unsettle our players.

 

I just ask between now and the 3rd of August that the fretting is kept to a sensible minimum. I would hate to see threads started calling Saints a 'joke club' or claiming we are the 'laughing stock of English football, every time the Daily star links Morgan with Juventus.

[Polaroid Saint]

Don't know why everyone is so worried, been no significant rumours about MS leaving for now (apart from him following Spurs on twitter last night briefly) so I'm not really bothered at this point in time, I think he'll stay and may go in January/Summer 2015 personally, same with Lovren.

 

Aha. So Morgan followed Spurs on twitter. Got it now.

 

As I say, Simon Jones showing his superb 'insider' knowledge!

[Saint Charlie]

Fair enough Guan. Just seems from the outside like we are always reactive rather than proactive. Quite a change from last summer where it appeared we knew which players we wanted, and went and got them.

 

Leta hope for some good news the next two weeks. Will have a huge bearing on our chances this season.

 

Very rarely do the teams scrambling around in the last week of the window do much good.

[Donatello]

From what i am told, we are trying to learn from previous mistakes. When we approached Osvaldo, it was obvious he liked the idea of money, and little else we had to offer. Had we not been putting money by for him (as a named target of the incoming manager), we may not have had to sign the compromise that was Forren at an earlier date.

 

So now we are approaching all of our first choice targets simultaneously, trying to keep it as quiet as possible. We may be 'noisy' in regards to lesser players, which i suppose is part and parcel of the game now (anybody remember McManaman at Madrid first time? He wasn't too proud to come in when they meant it though).

 

Of course, until we fully change the perception surrounding the club, which we are actively striving to, every man and his dog will be trying to portray us in the press as a crisis club, and try and unsettle our players.

 

I just ask between now and the 3rd of August that the fretting is kept to a sensible minimum. I would hate to see threads started calling Saints a 'joke club' or claiming we are the 'laughing stock of English football, every time the Daily star links Morgan with Juventus.

 

Ah, the voice of reason.

 

P.S Thanks for the info reference Forren/Osvaldo. From that I'm going to infer that Pochettino is more than liable for the Osvaldo car-crash.

[BlakeySFC]

When is your next Optical Assessment ??

 

August 2015, definitely getting some Ray Ban frames next time around.

[Window Cleaner]

From what i am told, we are trying to learn from previous mistakes. When we approached Osvaldo, it was obvious he liked the idea of money, and little else we had to offer. Had we not been putting money by for him (as a named target of the incoming manager), we may not have had to sign the compromise that was Forren at an earlier date.

 

So now we are approaching all of our first choice targets simultaneously, trying to keep it as quiet as possible. We may be 'noisy' in regards to lesser players, which i suppose is part and parcel of the game now (anybody remember McManaman at Madrid first time? He wasn't too proud to come in when they meant it though).

 

Of course, until we fully change the perception surrounding the club, which we are actively striving to, every man and his dog will be trying to portray us in the press as a crisis club, and try and unsettle our players.

 

I just ask between now and the 3rd of August that the fretting is kept to a sensible minimum. I would hate to see threads started calling Saints a 'joke club' or claiming we are the 'laughing stock of English football, every time the Daily star links Morgan with Juventus.

 

 

So you're the official club spokesman now then ?

[TheCholulaKid]

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So you're the official club spokesman now then ?

 

Touch a nerve that bit of his post?

[MOSaint]

Obviously not, but he appears to have more knowledge of what is actually happening than certain self appointed know it alls. *cough*

[Window Cleaner]

Touch a nerve that bit of his post?

 

not really, just seemed to be getting a bit big for his boots to me that's all.

I mean "until we seriously change the perception of the club which WE are trying to do"

That to me says that he is now the official mouthpiece of the club to this forum.

Edited 20 July, 2014 by Window Cleaner

[The Cat]

Fair enough Guan. Just seems from the outside like we are always reactive rather than proactive. Quite a change from last summer where it appeared we knew which players we wanted, and went and got them.

 

Leta hope for some good news the next two weeks. Will have a huge bearing on our chances this season.

 

Very rarely do the teams scrambling around in the last week of the window do much good.

 

And there you have it. There's no point in anyone getting all worked up when they have absolutely zero idea about what the club are doing behind the scenes.

[Goatboy]

I refuse to believe any of it Guan.

Windows, Charlie and Richmond are obviously more reliable.