Long Shot Posted 22 December, 2008 Posted 22 December, 2008 The fact that we secured survival on the last day of the season, after going a goal down and all the time relying on other teams to lose is the very definition of JUST surviving. When Burley left we were mid table - hardly on the rocky road to ruin. The abysmal period of Dodd and Gorman in charge saw the real decline - how many points did we get under them? Yet you ignore their disastrous tenure completely. Now that is bizarre. I guess it is down to interpretation of the word JUST. I saw it as being critical of Pearson ie he only just managed to keep us up. While that is true it does kinda gloss over the whole story. Burley actually left us in 13th place (we were 12th when he took over) but we were sinking like a stone with the club in turmoil. Appointing Dodd and Gorman was not Crouch's finest hour but I will give him credit for addressing the crisis after the Rovers Cup defeat with alacrity.
Ponty Posted 22 December, 2008 Posted 22 December, 2008 To confirm; "just", in this context, means "with minutes to spare" not "despite his flaws". Ahfankoo.
jam Posted 22 December, 2008 Posted 22 December, 2008 Yes I have. Their English at times can be poor ... but there is never any difficulty in understanding what they are saying. Jan is in a league of his own in that respect. Have you ever heard Scolari, Benitez , Mourinho and the others you mention above refer regularly (over half a season) to "making a goal" when they mean score?? So what do you think he mains by 'make a goal'. Personally I think he's talking about putting the ball in the back of the net. Is there another interpretation that I don't know about that is causing confusion?
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Posted 22 December, 2008 So what do you think he mains by 'make a goal'. Personally I think he's talking about putting the ball in the back of the net. Is there another interpretation that I don't know about that is causing confusion? At the beginning of the season I would have agreed with you, but after our abject failure to carry out this simple task I'm beginning to think 'make a goal' must have some other meaning
jam Posted 22 December, 2008 Posted 22 December, 2008 I guess it is down to interpretation of the word JUST. I saw it as being critical of Pearson ie he only just managed to keep us up. While that is true it does kinda gloss over the whole story. Burley actually left us in 13th place (we were 12th when he took over) but we were sinking like a stone with the club in turmoil. Appointing Dodd and Gorman was not Crouch's finest hour but I will give him credit for addressing the crisis after the Rovers Cup defeat with alacrity. To confirm; "just", in this context, means "with minutes to spare" not "despite his flaws". Ahfankoo. That's how I read it. Long Shot, I personally didn't dislike Pearson and would been happy for him to stay here but I think that his run here gets over hyped on this board. I could go into why but that would really take this thread off topic!
um pahars Posted 22 December, 2008 Posted 22 December, 2008 That's how I read it. Long Shot, I personally didn't dislike Pearson and would been happy for him to stay here but I think that his run here gets over hyped on this board. I could go into why but that would really take this thread off topic! But by the same token if his run of 1.2+ points per game wasn't that fantastic, then WTF does that say about Jan's return of less than a pont per game!!!!!! I actually think Pearson's tenure wasn't sensational, but given what he inherited (someone said 3 points from 18 and embarrassed at Bristol Rovers) and the context of a relegation battle it wasn't that bad.
patred44 Posted 22 December, 2008 Posted 22 December, 2008 The fact that we secured survival on the last day of the season, after going a goal down and all the time relying on other teams to lose is the very definition of JUST surviving. When Burley left we were mid table - hardly on the rocky road to ruin. The abysmal period of Dodd and Gorman in charge saw the real decline - how many points did we get under them? Yet you ignore their disastrous tenure completely. Now that is bizarre. For christs sake, don't confuse him with facts...let him carry on in his own little dream world..
eurosaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Posted 22 December, 2008 Having worked for a Dutch company for over 30 years and lived in the Flemish part of Belgium I can tell you that I had very little difficulty understanding most of my colleagues, friends etc.. IMHO it is not Jan's lack of vocabulary that is the problem, it is the message which he is trying to get across which is often garbled and confusing ! Just read parts of the latest OS article where he says that football is 'not just about passing to each other' - I do believe that the players have little/no idea at times what the hell they are being asked to do ! Having said all that, he is a thoroughly decent bloke who is doing his best in extremely difficult circumstances and I am still behind him all the way !
rooney Posted 22 December, 2008 Posted 22 December, 2008 I think I understood WGS a little better, but I have not understood what any manager has been saying on the big screen on match days , during training at Staplewood ,for years.
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