Black Sea Saint Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 Needs a thread of its own. Brilliant corner. Looked good when he came on. Let's hope he can step up finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 New manager - new lease of life, probably a new system - he has the potential....still.....could come good and I hope he does. Could well be the focal point in our team if Lallana does leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 Great moral compass too. Clearly thought Chiellini was showing too much flesh & tried to get him to cover up. Hope Koeman does get him firing though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 Hopefully we see some more of the Gaston Ramirez we saw against Villa in the 4-1 home win, I think it was his home debut. He was unplayable that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 Hopefully we see some more of the Gaston Ramirez we saw against Villa in the 4-1 home win, I think it was his home debut. He was unplayable that day. Not the only time that Ramirez has shown up, either. Just needs some consistency and he can be as important to us as a Lallana or Rodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 Not the only time that Ramirez has shown up, either. Just needs some consistency and he can be as important to us as a Lallana or Rodriguez Agreed - that match he was brilliant and we've seen flashes of it since. I do feel that Pochettino perhaps didn't favour him for whatever reason - probably just because Gaston didn't suit his style of play? Is there a Uruguay/Argentina rivalry?? (Clutching at straws with that one) But hopefully we'll see him more next season, I really hope so - will be like having a brand new £12m player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 flogging you a horse dead are or straws dead at clutching will leave you to work out my gist + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 How long is left on his contract? I'm worried he'll leave for nothing at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 2 years I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 Talented player, did not work in MP system. Will be interesting to see if he fits in Koeman's plans. Would not surprise me to see him sold tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 You are definitely clutching at straws. He's pants and we would do well to get what we can for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 I was more shocked his corner beat the first man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 For some reason he's not realised his potential yet at Saints, but there is a chance that Koeman may find a way with him IF Gaston wants to make the effort. If so, this could be his season to shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 24 June, 2014 Share Posted 24 June, 2014 In his first year outperformed JRod on goals and assists per game, in his second season, never given a run of matches to produce any kind of form, but wasn't bad on the few occasions he played. a lot of people seem to judge his ability mostly on his time out of the first team, which it don't entirely get. It's a bit speculative. If you didn't rate him on his first season, then do you think JRod should've been shipped out too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 You are definitely clutching at straws. He's pants and we would do well to get what we can for him. this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Hopefully we see some more of the Gaston Ramirez we saw against Villa in the 4-1 home win, I think it was his home debut. He was unplayable that day. The Ramirez camp seems totally split between people who were at St. Mary's that day and those that weren't! The second half was the best individual performance I've ever seen from anyone in a Saints shirt, including Lambert or Le Tissier. Ramirez didn't score, but he controlled everything. It was like watching Pirlo except he was running up and down and effortlessly beating players as well. Every single pass perfectly weighted. Final score could have been 6-1 if everyone took their chances. It was a Premiership game and Ramirez looked like he was playing well below himself. Genuinely remember thinking he'd easily end up at a Barca or Real Madrid for ~£35m at the time at the time. Meh...we were wrong in the end. But the ability that he has in his locker is something we wouldn't dream of p*ssing away if he were English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Though he looked pretty good when he came on against Sunderland but got taken out by that dreadfull Wes Brown tackle. Felt he was going to score there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 One nice corner and all of a sudden the hype starts again. He needs to kick a ball about and contribute for a full 90mins, I am afraid. Not 5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 One nice corner and all of a sudden the hype starts again. He needs to kick a ball about and contribute for a full 90mins, I am afraid. Not 5 seconds. one nice comment and all the shyte starts again. lets just see how he performs under the new team eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 One nice corner and all of a sudden the hype starts again. He needs to kick a ball about and contribute for a full 90mins, I am afraid. Not 5 seconds. What a stupid comment. This lad looks absolute class for Uruguay, and as others have said, he's looked the same for us on occasions. Last season he was played irregularly, and rarely in his preferred position. Given a run of games and some good man management, he could come good this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 He's a very good player and I look forward to seeing more on him this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 What a stupid comment. This lad looks absolute class for Uruguay, and as others have said, he's looked the same for us on occasions. Last season he was played irregularly, and rarely in his preferred position. Given a run of games and some good man management, he could come good this season. 12 minutes of football at the WC... if he was absolute class, surely he'd be playing from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 12 minutes of football at the WC... if he was absolute class, surely he'd be playing from the start. Lallana got more minutes but England finished bottom, while Uruguay beat us and went through. Which team is a better standard? If you want to use world cup performance that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 (edited) ... if he was absolute class, surely he'd be playing from the start. Lambert, Lallana and Shaw must be dog too then.... Edited 25 June, 2014 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Anyone that says he isn't a very good player and believes it knows f all about football and should probably take up tiddly winks or something. The guy clearly has talent and ability by the shedload, it just hasn't worked out well for him at Saints yet, for whatever reason. Personally I don't think his style is suited to our fast pressing game. I hope the new manager can make it work for him, particularly if we lose Lallana, as he could be a pivotal player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 One nice corner and all of a sudden the hype starts again. He needs to kick a ball about and contribute for a full 90mins, I am afraid. Not 5 seconds. Ask Phil Neville how good he is. Forgive me if I listen to his opinion over a bunch of internet supporters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 One nice corner and all of a sudden the hype starts again. He needs to kick a ball about and contribute for a full 90mins, I am afraid. Not 5 seconds. Why do you come here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 12 minutes of football at the WC... if he was absolute class, surely he'd be playing from the start. By your rationale Lambert isn't class either then. GR is a good player. He's shown it for us and Uruguay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Remember Alpine has NEVER seen him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 So hes suddenly going to come good because of change of manager and change of team-mates. (is this another variation on "Everybody Else's Fault", perchance ?) Utter rot. He may well p*ss Koeman off with his attitude and work-rate in his very first training session. I have never said he isnt talented, but succeeding at the highest level needs more than natural raw talent. He hasnt stood up and made himself counted in 2 seasons, and I see no evidence that he's going to bother now. Really, getting all moist over one corner is utterly pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 So hes suddenly going to come good because of change of manager and change of team-mates. (is this another variation on "Everybody Else's Fault", perchance ?) Utter rot. He may well p*ss Koeman off with his attitude and work-rate in his very first training session. I have never said he isnt talented, but succeeding at the highest level needs more than natural raw talent. He hasnt stood up and made himself counted in 2 seasons, and I see no evidence that he's going to bother now. Really, getting all moist over one corner is utterly pathetic. Do you ever smile? Or have you ever been positive about anything? Honestly, what is the point in you posting on here? Universal derision and you still don't get the picture that maybe it's you that doesn't know what he's talking about? I don't understand why you pay £5 to get bullied on here when you could go anywhere else and get it for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 The Ramirez camp seems totally split between people who were at St. Mary's that day and those that weren't! The second half was the best individual performance I've ever seen from anyone in a Saints shirt, including Lambert or Le Tissier. Ramirez didn't score, but he controlled everything. It was like watching Pirlo except he was running up and down and effortlessly beating players as well. Every single pass perfectly weighted. Final score could have been 6-1 if everyone took their chances. It was a Premiership game and Ramirez looked like he was playing well below himself. Genuinely remember thinking he'd easily end up at a Barca or Real Madrid for ~£35m at the time at the time. Meh...we were wrong in the end. But the ability that he has in his locker is something we wouldn't dream of p*ssing away if he were English. Absolutely. I would love nothing more then to see that player from that game return, it was the most exciting 45 minutes i've seen from any player in Saints colours. I hope the change in manager allows him to shine as he clearly was not happy under Pochettino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Remember Alpine has NEVER seen him play. :lol::lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Must admit, the reason I don't rate Ramirez is he doesn't play enough. What I saw of him yesterday was very positive, extremely good link-up play. If RK can accommodate him in his tactics we may not miss Lallana at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Lambert, Lallana and Shaw must be dog too then.... That's not the point... the poster said he was absolute class for Uruguay, whereas he been selected for 12 minutes of WC football so its an inaccurate statement. MP also had the same opinion so he spent most of the season on the subs bench. Sure he has natural ability but for posters on here to rant on about him after providing one good corner is quite frankly ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 By your rationale Lambert isn't class either then. GR is a good player. He's shown it for us and Uruguay. He has potential to be a great player... no argument there... but will RK have the patience and willing to play him when MP would not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 It would be worth keeping him if only to watch Alpine grind his teeth into dust next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 So hes suddenly going to come good because of change of manager and change of team-mates. (is this another variation on "Everybody Else's Fault", perchance ?) Utter rot. He may well p*ss Koeman off with his attitude and work-rate in his very first training session. I have never said he isnt talented, but succeeding at the highest level needs more than natural raw talent. He hasnt stood up and made himself counted in 2 seasons, and I see no evidence that he's going to bother now. Really, getting all moist over one corner is utterly pathetic. Did he dump you for a younger, prettier model or something Alps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 So hes suddenly going to come good because of change of manager and change of team-mates. (is this another variation on "Everybody Else's Fault", perchance ?) Utter rot. He may well p*ss Koeman off with his attitude and work-rate in his very first training session. I have never said he isnt talented, but succeeding at the highest level needs more than natural raw talent. He hasnt stood up and made himself counted in 2 seasons, and I see no evidence that he's going to bother now. Really, getting all moist over one corner is utterly pathetic. This sentence is a classic forum ploy of constructing a piece of speculation and then pronouncing on it as though it were a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 This sentence is a classic forum ploy of constructing a piece of speculation and then pronouncing on it as though it were a fact. Utter b*ll*cks. Its simply pointing out a scneario under which the hoped-for (in some quarters) Gashton Renaissance wont happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Utter b*ll*cks. Its simply pointing out a scneario under which the hoped-for (in some quarters) Gashton Renaissance wont happen. So, just as equally, he may well impress the hell out of RK with skills and vision that very few of the team possess in his first training session Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 One nice corner and all of a sudden the hype starts again. He needs to kick a ball about and contribute for a full 90mins, I am afraid. Not 5 seconds. So hes suddenly going to come good because of change of manager and change of team-mates. (is this another variation on "Everybody Else's Fault", perchance ?) Utter rot. He may well p*ss Koeman off with his attitude and work-rate in his very first training session. I have never said he isnt talented, but succeeding at the highest level needs more than natural raw talent. He hasnt stood up and made himself counted in 2 seasons, and I see no evidence that he's going to bother now. Really, getting all moist over one corner is utterly pathetic. Utter b*ll*cks. Its simply pointing out a scneario under which the hoped-for (in some quarters) Gashton Renaissance wont happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Its a con, he puts the same record back on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Utter b*ll*cks. Its simply pointing out a scneario under which the hoped-for (in some quarters) Gashton Renaissance wont happen. So clearly you're hoping he fails as in your quarter you're not hoping for his renaissance. How odd to hope a player from the team you claim to support fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 So, just as equally, he may well impress the hell out of RK with skills and vision that very few of the team possess in his first training session Based on track record, it is not equally likely.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 So clearly you're hoping he fails as in your quarter you're not hoping for his renaissance. How odd to hope a player from the team you claim to support fails. I couldnt care less. He does, or he goes somewhere else to underachieve and we get rid of that financial millstone round our necks. I just dont want the club to tolerate the last 2 years of bullsh*t any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Based on track record, it is not equally likely.. How many times have you seen him train? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 Utter b*ll*cks. Its simply pointing out a scneario under which the hoped-for (in some quarters) Gashton Renaissance wont happen. Why would anyone NOT hope for a renaissance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 So clearly you're hoping he fails as in your quarter you're not hoping for his renaissance. How odd to hope a player from the team you claim to support fails. Although I'm a big fan of Ramirez, I'm kind of hoping that he fails, otherwise Alpine will look like a complete idiot:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 June, 2014 Share Posted 25 June, 2014 I couldnt care less. He does, or he goes somewhere else to underachieve and we get rid of that financial millstone round our necks. I just dont want the club to tolerate the last 2 years of bullsh*t any further. Yes you do. You want him to fail, you said 'some quarters' are hoping for his renaissance, with your hilarious 'gashton' nickname and dismissal of people wanting him to achieve as talking 'utter bo***ocks' it's pretty evident that you want one of your own players to fail. How strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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