Koeman Appointed

[Draino76]

That's great news! I was disappointed that Iain Dowie wasn't in the mix, but it's good to have someone at the helm to stem the uncertainty. Come on Saints!

 

Are you actually Francis Benali?

[Bearsy]

I Wonder How Long He Will Southampton Manager For It's A Tough Balance Act To Be Not Too Shit So You Get Sack And Not Too Good So You Get Poach It's A Three Bear Situation I Hope He's Just Right

[beancounter saint]

I Wonder How Long He Will Southampton Manager For It's A Tough Balance Act To Be Not Too Shit So You Get Sack And Not Too Good So You Get Poach It's A Three Bear Situation I Hope He's Just Right

 

Very true, Ronald needs to be in the Goldilocks Zone!

[Heisenberg]

If the chuckle brothers do a good job for us over the next 2 seasons, they can take the Holland national job after the Dutch fail at Euro 16 with my blessing.

 

I think we will be better prepared the next time around and get a feeling that we will nurture our next manager through the youth and reserve teams - similar to how Ajax do. That would explain the sacking of Dodd and Williams too

[trousers]

Selection of quotes from Dutch fans about Koeman:

 

Cheers for posting. It would seem the main difference we'll see between Pochettino and Koeman is changing our playing style depending on the opposition, which is something Pochettino prided himself on not doing....i.e. Pochettino: "We play the way we want to play every game, we don't change for the opposition" (or words to that effect).

 

I quite admired the fact that Pochettino didn't concern himself with who we were playing, and that sense of self belief trickled down to the players. Will be interesting to see a more fluid approach to playing styles next season though.

[wild-saint]

If the chuckle brothers do a good job for us over the next 2 seasons, they can take the Holland national job after the Dutch fail at Euro 16 with my blessing.

 

I think we will be better prepared the next time around and get a feeling that we will nurture our next manager through the youth and reserve teams - similar to how Ajax do. That would explain the sacking of Dodd and Williams too

 

oh hilarious, the chuckle brothers. Is this what we have to look forward from you this season Glasgow?

[trousers]

chuckle brothers

 

8.7/10

 

Edit: make that 10/10....someone beat me to it....

[hypochondriac]

Cheers for posting. It would seem the main difference we'll see between Pochettino and Koeman is changing our playing style depending on the opposition, which is something Pochettino prided himself on not doing....i.e. Pochettino: "We play the way we want to play every game, we don't change for the opposition" (or words to that effect).

 

I quite admired the fact that Pochettino didn't concern himself with who we were playing, and that sense of self belief trickled down to the players. Will be interesting to see a more fluid approach to playing styles next season though.

 

That's true but at the same time it could be frustrating when it was clear that a change was needed.

[alpine_saint]

Hopefully Koeman will be a bit better at unlocking teams that come to park a bus.

[FloridaMarlin]

Did he laugh at Les's Tommy Cooper impression?

 

I don't think Les's ball has bounced back up yet and it is still out of shot.

[The9]

Is this going to turn out like your constant assessments that Rickie Lambert was a bit carp and wouldn't make it in the PL? So who do you think would have been a better appointment out of those managers linked with the job?

 

I didn't once say Lambert was cr^p, I did however say that we'd have been better off with a more mobile striker capable of taking the ball past people if we wanted to progress into a top side ourselves, and had the one we signed not turned out to be a nutcase I'm pretty sure we'd have found that out already. The fact we'd been offering Lambert to clubs for a year (West Ham at Xmas) suggests I wasn't the only one thinking that too. Anyway, that argument is long over.

 

I didn't think any of the candidates listed were particularly inspiring - either not well enough known for me to make a judgement on or with significant amounts of negative media baggage (Moyes and McClaren). The little I did know about Yakin suggested he was of the same style as Pochettino and might have been a decent fit, but we'd have still had the same "stepping stone" problem whoever it was - apart from maybe Moyes, who would have probably wanted a less acclaimed playing style.

 

My original impression when I heard Koeman was in the equation was he'd be ok, most likely that won't change until I see our first few games.

[mulletsaint]

I can see where The9 is coming from, I do think some people are getting carried away with the name, but on the whole he's been successful in his previous jobs and at the end of the day we're Saints not Man U, so it's unlikely we'd have been getting someone like Guardiola.

[The9]

So first we should differentiate between playing and managing careers. Then you say someone who wasn't aware of and/or couldn't recall his playing career can have no valid opinion of him as a manager. Arrogant contradiction there.

 

We should definitely differentiate between the two. I don't see Maradona or Mourinho's management careers making much of a case for a correlation.

 

I'll decide for myself whose opinions I'll consider anyway, but actually my statement covers only people who were not aware of EITHER Pochettino's playing or management career. What do they have to offer if they don't know who he is and haven't even bothered finding out before commenting?

[The9]

You spanked a fiver to state the bleeding obvious...

 

It's amazing how many times you need to state the bleeding obvious to get some people to understand your point on here.

 

I'm fine with the Koeman appointment, but no matter how much some people claim "no one is getting excited because he was a good player", there's clearly a correlation when other posters are saying "at least no-one is saying "who?" this time" despite very few people having much of an idea about his management career before we were linked with him.

[Bearsy]

It's amazing how many times you need to state the bleeding obvious to get some people to understand your point on here.

 

I'm fine with the Koeman appointment, but no matter how much some people claim "no one is getting excited because he was a good player", there's clearly a correlation when other posters are saying "at least no-one is saying "who?" this time" despite very few people having much of an idea about his management career before we were linked with him.

 

This is truth, when Fulham appointed that Magath character i was lol who? And he as it turns out has prob more impressive CV than Koeman. Not that it helped them particularly but that is side issue.

[The9]

Selection of quotes from Dutch fans about Koeman:

 

Nice stuff, makes me feel a bit more positive about the appointment.

 

Suspicious about Pelle as a signing, have now heard a couple of "he's another nutter" type comments and a 7 match suspension?!! Would also query the validity of Valencia being "a mistake made at a smaller club".

 

Certainly happier with the system flexibility hinted at, remains to be seen if we have (now and after pre-season) the players to take that on board.

[View From The Top]

Time will tell, obviously, as to whether it's a good appointment but, for now, most of us are delighted and that is a move in the right direction.

[Gemmel]

Alan Brazil ( This is second hand but should be easy to validate ) of the talk sport variety calims he saw Koeman in Brasil last week.

 

Could explain the timings, but if true, I wonder if he spoke to Lallana or whether he was there for other players / media commitments

[The9]

So according to you, just because I couldn't recall the name of the Argie CB who tripped Owen (who dived) in the box to gain us a penalty 12 years ago, I'm not really qualified to express an opinion which would add anything to the discussion? What arrogance.

 

And ironic too when you are making such a fuss about people making too much of Koeman's playing record and then you say that people should have known about Pochettino before he came here on the basis of one incident when he was a player.

 

No, I'm saying "if you don't know anything about someone, what value does your opinion of them have?".

 

I am also not saying "people SHOULD have known about Pochettino", I am saying the opinion of someone who does not know anything about someone is not of any value when considering an appointment.

 

Not to mention that going onto a message board saying "who?" is revelling in your own ignorance anyway, but that's a different point.

 

Neither Koeman nor Pochettino's playing record are indicative of their managerial abilities, but knowing Pochettino was the one who fouled Owen does at least hint at a likelihood of some longer-standing knowledge of football generally.

[buctootim]

No, I'm saying "if you don't know anything about someone, what value does your opinion of them have?".

 

I am also not saying "people SHOULD have known about Pochettino", I am saying the opinion of someone who does not know anything about someone is not of any value when considering an appointment.

 

Not to mention that going onto a message board saying "who?" is revelling in your own ignorance anyway, but that's a different point.

 

Neither Koeman nor Pochettino's playing record are indicative of their managerial abilities, but knowing Pochettino was the one who fouled Owen does at least hint at a likelihood of some longer-standing knowledge of football generally.

 

Google gives access to more and better knowledge than an incomplete 25 year old memory.

[Convict Colony]

What do you reckon, Kelvin to get the goalkeeping job to keep the continuity and hadn't he been helping last season anyway.

[buctootim]

What do you reckon, Kelvin to get the goalkeeping job to keep the continuity and hadn't he been helping last season anyway.

 

Hope not. Nice bloke but the PL is no place to learn your trade as the sole GK coach - and I cant imagine Boruc listening to him anyway.

[Window Cleaner]

Hope not. Nice bloke but the PL is no place to learn your trade as the sole GK coach - and I cant imagine Boruc listening to him anyway.

 

KD has a contract as a player up until about 2016 I think....why I just couldn't say but I've not heard any rumours about him jacking that in for a coaching role. He probably still sees himself as our number 2 keeper, it's not Gazzaniga or Cropper that will make him think otherwise.

[Wes Tender]

I'll decide for myself whose opinions I'll consider anyway, but actually my statement covers only people who were not aware of EITHER Pochettino's playing or management career. What do they have to offer if they don't know who he is and haven't even bothered finding out before commenting?

 

I'll also decide whose opinions I'll consider too and don't have much appreciation of yours based on the flimsy method by which you assess other posters' ability to hold a point of view. Just to clarify solely for your benefit, like most other posters on here, when Pochettino arrived here, I Googled him to gain an insight into what his background was. Pardon me for having either forgotten the Owen penalty incident a decade before Poch arrived, or not having associated it with him, but your assertion that somebody that doesn't know a manager's background as a player isn't capable of commenting on his managerial ability (or vice versa) is a bit silly.

[View From The Top]

Hope not. Nice bloke but the PL is no place to learn your trade as the sole GK coach - and I cant imagine Boruc listening to him anyway.

 

Perhaps a role in the academy?

[Matthew Le God]

Perhaps a role in the academy?

 

We already have goalkeeper coaches in the academy, Kelvin Davis is still contracted as a first team player until June 2016. He isn't going to give up a playing contract for a coaching contract in the academy.

[buctootim]

Perhaps a role in the academy?

 

Sure. Good influence on the youngsters whilst Learning under an established first team GK coach would work.

[View From The Top]

We already have goalkeeper coaches in the academy, Kelvin Davis is still contracted as a first team player until June 2016. He isn't going to give up a playing contract for a coaching contract in the academy.

 

Sorry, I meant a role in the future, not now or a splt role as he does his badges.

Edited 17 June, 2014 by View From The Top
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[The9]

Google gives access to more and better knowledge than an incomplete 25 year old memory.

 

Absolutely, which is all the more reason to ignore those who post rubbish like "who?", not only are they ignorant, but also not prepared to actually find out.

 

The Bear aside, of course. He is most well informed on all subjects.

[The9]

I'll also decide whose opinions I'll consider too and don't have much appreciation of yours based on the flimsy method by which you assess other posters' ability to hold a point of view. Just to clarify solely for your benefit, like most other posters on here, when Pochettino arrived here, I Googled him to gain an insight into what his background was. Pardon me for having either forgotten the Owen penalty incident a decade before Poch arrived, or not having associated it with him, but your assertion that somebody that doesn't know a manager's background as a player isn't capable of commenting on his managerial ability (or vice versa) is a bit silly.

 

It would be, had I said that. But I actually said nothing of the sort.

[Wes Tender]

Not to mention that going onto a message board saying "who?" is revelling in your own ignorance anyway, but that's a different point.

 

Neither Koeman nor Pochettino's playing record are indicative of their managerial abilities, but knowing Pochettino was the one who fouled Owen does at least hint at a likelihood of some longer-standing knowledge of football generally.

 

Learn to read something properly before commenting

 

And his record before his arrival here is certainly much better than Pochettino's was. At least nobody asked "who" when he was announced.

 

"At least nobody" doesn't refer to me, does it? "Who" is a throwaway comment, expressing the underwhelming response to Pochettino, although that seems to have gone over your head. It refers to my recollection of the general response by many on here when his appointment was announced. As Buctootim suggests, Google is the fount of all knowledge on matters like this and like many, I Googled him when he arrived to see what his background was. Whether knowing that he gave away the penalty to Owen added anything to his ability to manager us is a moot point, but frankly it is ridiculous to believe that somebody who recalled that is more capable of expressing an opinion on Pochettino.

[Wurzel]

We should definitely differentiate between the two. I don't see Maradona or Mourinho's management careers making much of a case for a correlation.

 

I'll decide for myself whose opinions I'll consider anyway, but actually my statement covers only people who were not aware of EITHER Pochettino's playing or management career. What do they have to offer if they don't know who he is and haven't even bothered finding out before commenting?

 

No it didn't it only mentioned the playing incident so only covered being aware of his playing career.

 

For what it's worth, I totally agree with your first statement, good players don't automatically make good managers. Bobby Charlton and Bobby Moore always spring to mind for me, whereas Ferguson and Wenger had mediocre playing careers.

[Matthew Le God]

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 June, 2014 by Matthew Le God

[Mallagroth]

Haha blatant photoshops. Bane this troll !

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Donning my Turkish hat (sorry mate, no offence) those jeans that Jan Kluitenberg is wearing are terrible.

[Bearsy]

ugh stinky erwin is wearing exact same clothes as yesterday. Ronald at least changed his shirt, although he has only got the one pair of jeans that fit till he loses his holiday weight.

[Bearsy]

Donning my Turkish hat (sorry mate, no offence) those jeans that Jan Kluitenberg is wearing are terrible.

 

only skinny cut jeans are acceptable with suit jacket, and they should be dark colour without signs of fade or wear. Portly gentleman should avoid jeans entirely in business environment.

[Window Cleaner]

ugh stinky erwin is wearing exact same clothes as yesterday. Ronald at least changed his shirt, although he has only got the one pair of jeans that fit till he loses his holiday weight.

 

Must have been a long holiday then.

[The9]

Learn to read something properly before commenting

 

"At least nobody" doesn't refer to me, does it? "Who" is a throwaway comment, expressing the underwhelming response to Pochettino, although that seems to have gone over your head. It refers to my recollection of the general response by many on here when his appointment was announced. As Buctootim suggests, Google is the fount of all knowledge on matters like this and like many, I Googled him when he arrived to see what his background was. Whether knowing that he gave away the penalty to Owen added anything to his ability to manager us is a moot point, but frankly it is ridiculous to believe that somebody who recalled that is more capable of expressing an opinion on Pochettino.

 

The "you" in the quote doesn't refer to "you" specifically, but "one" doesn't sound right in this context. Assume "is revelling in their...", then.

 

As for your latter point, I already addressed it. I have no problem with people who don't know about someone Googling, that adds to the discussion. Already knowing stuff gives context, but yes, some information is more useful than others.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

only skinny cut jeans are acceptable with suit jacket, and they should be dark colour without signs of fade or wear. Portly gentleman should avoid jeans entirely in business environment.

 

They have no business being paired with a blazer. The pocket detailing is bad enough.

 

Those jeans are for teenagers, and even then they would look bad.

 

Hope his fitness regimes are better than his clothing choices. I'm starting to worry about this appointment.

[Bearsy]

The pocket detailing is bad enough.

 

The pocket detailing is the absolute worst! I think they look more like mum jeans than teenage jeans tho! Disappointed to see the new management team get off to such a bad start tbh

[The9]

No it didn't it only mentioned the playing incident so only covered being aware of his playing career.

 

For what it's worth, I totally agree with your first statement, good players don't automatically make good managers. Bobby Charlton and Bobby Moore always spring to mind for me, whereas Ferguson and Wenger had mediocre playing careers.

 

It didn't only refer to playing career, anyone saying "who" in response to his appointment can't have any knowledge of anything Pochettino had done. If they were already aware of his management career they wouldn't have said "who?".

 

I was trying to be more contemporary, but yes, I considered those two as well before settling on my examples.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

The pocket detailing is the absolute worst! I think they look more like mum jeans than teenage jeans tho! Disappointed to see the new management team get off to such a bad start tbh

 

Ah I just think chavvy upstart in a pair of knock-off G-Star Raws from Wembley Market.

[derry]

Whilst RK's management and coaching experience and expertise is all important, I think when it comes to dealing with players it does no harm to have a stack of caps, medals and a high class playing record having played for the likes of Barcelona, Ajax and Holland.

[The9]

Whilst RK's management and coaching experience and expertise is all important, I think when it comes to dealing with players it does no harm to have a stack of caps, medals and a high class playing record having played for the likes of Barcelona, Ajax and Holland.

 

Yeah, the introductory meeting PowerPoint should be fairly inspirational. Glad he's met at least one of the players, anyway.

[Matthew Le God]

Whilst RK's management and coaching experience and expertise is all important, I think when it comes to dealing with players it does no harm to have a stack of caps, medals and a high class playing record having played for the likes of Barcelona, Ajax and Holland.

 

Yep, its not the be all and end all as the likes of Wenger, Mourinho and Rodgers have shown. But Lovren for example is more likely to take positional advice in analysis sessions more seriously from Ronald Koeman who has played very well at the highest level than he would from Nigel Adkins and Andy Crosby for example.

[trousers]

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[Bearsy]

I think when it comes to dealing with players it does no harm to have a stack of caps

 

agree that his large stock of dutch caps will be valued by the players

[bazza]

That's great news! I was disappointed that Iain Dowie wasn't in the mix, but it's good to have someone at the helm to stem the uncertainty. Come on Saints!

 

I hope you're not taking the ****, I love big Iain!

[Ohio Saint]

We are not even in pre-season yet. You don't wear your first choice clothes at this stage. You keep all your first choice clothes in the wardrobe, and bring them out to welcome any new purchases to the ensemble. I'm expecting his best jeans jacket combo to come out and greet the new mohair suit that is currently agreeing terms.