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Good appointment. Just hope he can hold onto Lallana and Shaw. He needs to time to let us grow- we are going to struggle to top last season's campaign so he must be given time to bring in players. Bring on 2014-15.

 

To be honest I'm not going too hung up on topping last season's success. Although a rise into the top 6 would be golden, back to back top 10 finishes would do me just fine.

Especially if you throw in a solid run in one of the Cups.

 

But I am very excited.

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Well, he wasn't my preference, and I have no idea why people can't differentiate between success as a player and as a manager but I'm happy enough supporting Koeman's appointment as a Saints fan and we'll see howwhere it goes.

 

I'm concerned that at previous clubs he's taken on already successful teams and achieved a bare minimum with the resources at his disposal, and failed badly in a couple of other instances, but will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

The players who've agitated for an exit through the press may well still go - keeping Lallana would probably be a miracle, keeping Shaw would be unexpected, keeping Lovren would be a very big deal (and hopefully appointing an ex-centre back may have some impact), and losing anyone else other than Osvaldo would be disappointing. So I'm not holding Koeman to any great expectations regarding the squad, other than he manages to build a system to get the best out of them.

 

It'll also be interesting to see the standard of player we are bringing in - a repeat of the sums and profile of the targets from last year's Osvaldo and Wanyama spending would be nice - maybe with a bit more success on the spending front, but how much of that is even down to the manager any more anyway?

 

Overall, not getting carried away, slightly apprehensive but that's more down to the uncertainty about Katharina's spending commitment and replacing players likely to leave, and let's see what he can do.

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buctootim

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Well, he wasn't my preference, and I have no idea why people can't differentiate between success as a player and as a manager

 

Why do you think you are the only one to be able to? I would guess people are excited because not only was a he stupendous player but he also has a solid and largely successful management track record, much more so than Pochettino or the other candidates.

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CB Fry

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Can you provide a little chart detailing acceptable types of personal attack?

 

So far, I have:-

 

Fatist/weightist = ok

Homophobia = bad

You need me to confirm that homophobia is worse than "fattism"?

 

Blimey.

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Well, he wasn't my preference, and I have no idea why people can't differentiate between success as a player and as a manager but I'm happy enough supporting Koeman's appointment as a Saints fan and we'll see howwhere it goes.

 

I'm concerned that at previous clubs he's taken on already successful teams and achieved a bare minimum with the resources at his disposal, and failed badly in a couple of other instances, but will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

The players who've agitated for an exit through the press may well still go - keeping Lallana would probably be a miracle, keeping Shaw would be unexpected, keeping Lovren would be a very big deal (and hopefully appointing an ex-centre back may have some impact), and losing anyone else other than Osvaldo would be disappointing. So I'm not holding Koeman to any great expectations regarding the squad, other than he manages to build a system to get the best out of them.

 

It'll also be interesting to see the standard of player we are bringing in - a repeat of the sums and profile of the targets from last year's Osvaldo and Wanyama spending would be nice - maybe with a bit more success on the spending front, but how much of that is even down to the manager any more anyway?

 

Overall, not getting carried away, slightly apprehensive but that's more down to the uncertainty about Katharina's spending commitment and replacing players likely to leave, and let's see what he can do.

 

Hasn't he won some sort of Silverware at five of the seven clubs he has managed (even Valencia were everyone says he was ****)? What sort of successful management career where you hoping for from our new manager?

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buctootim

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He visited Staplewood for the first time today and Les Reed gave him a tour...

 

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So when people said in the last 3 weeks he had been spotted at Staplewood, they were lying.

 

Don't doubt it, but it would be odd to have not visited the place you would be working before taking the job.

 

Who is the tubby in orange?

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Tokyo-Saint

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He visited Staplewood for the first time today and Les Reed gave him a tour...

 

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So when people said in the last 3 weeks he had been spotted at Staplewood, they were lying.

 

Well how do you explain this photo then?

 

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Next you'll be trying to tell us Steven Caulker didn't really visit!

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Why do you think you are the only one to be able to? I would guess people are excited because not only was a he stupendous player but he also has a solid and largely successful management track record, much more so than Pochettino or the other candidates.

 

I don't think I'm the only one, I'm pointing out that clearly many people on here can't, there have been plenty of comments about his playing career, which is a long way from the most important factor in the appointment.

 

As for his record, almost everywhere he's actually won things he's taken on a team which has already just won things. AZ and Valencia were disastrous though and grounds for some concern. Also, the closest he's come to building something from a lower base is his recent Feyenoord stint, and irrespective of their previous short term failings, they still had the profile of a top 4 side in the Netherlands in funding and support, and he achieved finishes commensurate with those factors. This is obviously where my expectations differ from those of some others. Of course he's overseen bringing some kids through, which is a definite positive.

 

He might be the best thing that's ever happened to the club, but I'm not getting excited just because I've heard of him, and I think quite a few are. But he's the manager, I want him to do well as Saints manager, and I'll support him until he isn't.

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You need me to confirm that homophobia is worse than "fattism"?

 

Blimey.

 

I see. Sir is obviously proceeding on the assumption that all fat people are fat by their own volition. If we leave aside stuff like epigenetics, metabolism and health, you might have a platform to start laughing at the salad dodgers. Incidentally, David Baddiel did a great joke about "cake retention" years ago; you may want to work that into a couple of your posts.

 

Of course, the flip side of this is that all gay people live a lifestyle commensurate with their sexuality. Again, not really the case. If it were, creepy organisations like fundamentalist churches wouldn't do such roaring trade with their "pray the gay" away courses. I've got a few mates that have had parents come out in recent years.

 

The weird thing is that you even need to mention it at all. Alps can be strung up on his posts here, yet you attack the brother's weight. What next? Foot massage?

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My apologies to the board, it seems they do know what they're doing. Very much so! Excellent appointment.

 

I am delighted with the way Les Read has negotiated to bring Koeman and team to the club, and congratulations to everyone from Katherina down who helped to make this possible.

 

But I don't apologise for the criticism I levelled at the Board for seemingly public disarray following MoPo's immediate departure and also earlier statements about our 'financial difficulty' that led to media frenzy that we had become a selling club. And I still believe that Lambo was sold too cheaply and at the wrong time. It was not until Saints supporters' strong criticism and demands that the club should not make any further player movements before a new manager was appointed that Les Read made his first firm statements and voiced his welcome strategy for seeking a new manager. Ralph's weak utterances had not helped either. I still believe that there may have been some early governance confusion and Les might have had to fight his corner. Well done Les.

 

 

This is now history, and the outcome is brilliant. Though the question does remain. Who among the Board is responsible for what? And who reports to whom?

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Loving this! Are we gonna get constant updates like this? Just met @AdamLallana I said why are you still wearing England kit? Turns out he hadn't changed. suck on that #twattenburg

 

When the Pompey fans realise they have a direct line to abuse the Southampton manager he may have second thoughts about having an unprotected Twitter account.

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Wes Tender

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I don't think I'm the only one, I'm pointing out that clearly many people on here can't, there have been plenty of comments about his playing career, which is a long way from the most important factor in the appointment.

 

As for his record, almost everywhere he's actually won things he's taken on a team which has already just won things. AZ and Valencia were disastrous though and grounds for some concern. Also, the closest he's come to building something from a lower base is his recent Feyenoord stint, and irrespective of their previous short term failings, they still had the profile of a top 4 side in the Netherlands in funding and support, and he achieved finishes commensurate with those factors. This is obviously where my expectations differ from those of some others. Of course he's overseen bringing some kids through, which is a definite positive.

 

He might be the best thing that's ever happened to the club, but I'm not getting excited just because I've heard of him, and I think quite a few are. But he's the manager, I want him to do well as Saints manager, and I'll support him until he isn't.

 

Being impressed with the calibre of candidate he is doesn't mean that people are getting carried away with the possibilities he brings us. Although he is the highest profile manager the club have ever appointed, people do realise that every manager in the game is a gamble to a greater or lesser extent. Nobody guarantees to bring success. The big plus with Koeman is that because of his playing career and his subsequent record as a manager, he commands respect and attention when we are looking to bring in new players. Naturally conclusions about his abilities with us can only be measured by the results he achieves with the resources that are currently here, or will be brought in by him. But there is still cause for celebration that on the face of it, his signing is a bit of a coup for a club like us, so a degree of optimism is understandable.

 

And his record before his arrival here is certainly much better than Pochettino's was. At least nobody asked "who" when he was announced.

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And his record before his arrival here is certainly much better than Pochettino's was. At least nobody asked "who" when he was announced.

 

This is basically my point, if you're asking "who" when we announced the appointment of an ex-Argentinian international who was directly involved in a high-profile penalty incident at a World Cup involving England, you don't have an opinion that's contributing anything to the discussion.

 

Long and short of it is some have chosen to be impressed by a load of cups in countries where cups aren't seen as important, and some titles at clubs who are always expected to win those titles. Now if he'd been a title-winning Celtic manager recently... (sarcasm).

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This is basically my point, if you're asking "who" when we announced the appointment of an ex-Argentinian international who was directly involved in a high-profile penalty incident at a World Cup involving England, you don't have an opinion that's contributing anything to the discussion.

 

Long and short of it is some have chosen to be impressed by a load of cups in countries where cups aren't seen as important, and some titles at clubs who are always expected to win those titles. Now if he'd been a title-winning Celtic manager recently... (sarcasm).

 

So is your point that Koeman is a crap manager and the club should have appointed someone else? - or that people praising Koeman for the wrong reasons offends your sense of superiority?

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So is your point that Koeman is a crap manager and the club should have appointed someone else? - or that people praising Koeman for the wrong reasons offends your sense of superiority?

 

Thought I read on here when Mancini was linked he was a crap manager too.

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This is basically my point, if you're asking "who" when we announced the appointment of an ex-Argentinian international who was directly involved in a high-profile penalty incident at a World Cup involving England, you don't have an opinion that's contributing anything to the discussion.

 

Long and short of it is some have chosen to be impressed by a load of cups in countries where cups aren't seen as important, and some titles at clubs who are always expected to win those titles. Now if he'd been a title-winning Celtic manager recently... (sarcasm).

 

When he was rumoured, I looked at his record for his last club (Feynoord). When you read various reports the consensus was he inherited a club in a bit of turmoil and not a lot of money. Therefore emphasis was working with the youth team. As such, his work at Feynoord resulted in the club finishing consistently in top 3 as well as producing a number of players for the Dutch national side.

 

This seemed to fit quite well with what Southampton seem to be trying to achieve (although not expecting consistent top 3 finishes!)

 

Surely thats the way most fans would judge the appointment ? A bit harsh to suggest otherwise - in my opinion.

 

For balance, at the time, I was not initially impressed with the appointment of Gordon Strachan and sceptical with regards to the appointments of Adkins and MoPo and they worked out fine.

 

As mentioned previously, there are no guarantees that Koeman will be a success but for the reasons i mentioned above, on paper, it looks a very promising appointment.

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He visited Staplewood for the first time today and Les Reed gave him a tour...

 

BqUqZpKCAAIgg5t.jpg

 

So when people said in the last 3 weeks he had been spotted at Staplewood, they were lying.

 

Les: 'So anyway, I said to them, we want the plug sockets near the floor. Would they listen? Would they heck!

Ron: No worriesh at all, Lesh. I'm loving the chairsh anywaysh

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So is your point that Koeman is a crap manager and the club should have appointed someone else? - or that people praising Koeman for the wrong reasons offends your sense of superiority?

 

Thanks for costing me a fiver, Granty will be delighted. :x

 

He wasn't my preference and I have some concerns that he's not going to be as good as people think he is based on trophies won. He's almost certainly not going to be as good as people think he is based on his playing career. I have no problem with other people liking him, might even like him myself when I see how we play and if it works. People can praise Koeman all they like, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

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Les: 'So anyway, I said to them, we want the plug sockets near the floor. Would they listen? Would they heck!

Ron: No worriesh at all, Lesh. I'm loving the chairsh anywaysh

 

Boys, sorry, we won't have a smoking room for you at this new complex, but here in the New Forest, we do have some of the countries finest 'shrooms ...

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This is basically my point, if you're asking "who" when we announced the appointment of an ex-Argentinian international who was directly involved in a high-profile penalty incident at a World Cup involving England, you don't have an opinion that's contributing anything to the discussion.

 

Long and short of it is some have chosen to be impressed by a load of cups in countries where cups aren't seen as important, and some titles at clubs who are always expected to win those titles. Now if he'd been a title-winning Celtic manager recently... (sarcasm).

 

Is this going to turn out like your constant assessments that Rickie Lambert was a bit carp and wouldn't make it in the PL? So who do you think would have been a better appointment out of those managers linked with the job?

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This is basically my point, if you're asking "who" when we announced the appointment of an ex-Argentinian international who was directly involved in a high-profile penalty incident at a World Cup involving England, you don't have an opinion that's contributing anything to the discussion.

 

Long and short of it is some have chosen to be impressed by a load of cups in countries where cups aren't seen as important, and some titles at clubs who are always expected to win those titles. Now if he'd been a title-winning Celtic manager recently... (sarcasm).

 

So according to you, just because I couldn't recall the name of the Argie CB who tripped Owen (who dived) in the box to gain us a penalty 12 years ago, I'm not really qualified to express an opinion which would add anything to the discussion? What arrogance.

 

And ironic too when you are making such a fuss about people making too much of Koeman's playing record and then you say that people should have known about Pochettino before he came here on the basis of one incident when he was a player.

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Selection of quotes from Dutch fans about Koeman:

 

One of the best coaches Feyenoord has ever had. And a great guy, really. Despite the fact he won zero prizes at Feyenoord he was brilliant and gave the Feyenoord supporters their pride back.Koeman's also the reason Van Gaal plays in the current system (5-3-2) at the world cup now. Speaking of which, Koeman delivered 4 (EDIT: 5) young Feyenoord players to the Dutch squad. He's great at making players better.

Anyway. Koeman is likely to bring Feyenoord striker Pellè with him to Southampton. The Eredivisie's most feared striker. I'm sure he and Koeman will do great at Southampton.

 

Koeman just makes the best of the players he's got. If he can play pressing attacking football with the Saints he will, but if he can't he'll switch to a more counter attacking style pretty easily. I always thought he was a very good tactician at Feyenoord, especially in his first year he got some amazing results against better sides such as PSV and Ajax.

 

He played under various playing styles. Koeman is a big fan of striker Pellè, who had a huge role in one of his styles. Pellè would hold on to the ball and the wingers and midfielders would go forward. So basically Pellè was the director in the field and the wingers just had to deliver the ball to Pellè, which was quite a successful playing style.Last season Pellè got suspended for 7 matches. Everyone thought this was going to be the end of the season for Feyenoord, since Pellè was such an important player. This is where Koeman yet again proved to be brilliant because Feyenoord didn't lose a single match during Pellè's absence. 7 matches; 6 won, 1 draw. Scored 15 goals, only conceded 1 goal. During these matches he played under different styles, which were dependent of the opponents (mostly when playing topclubs he'd change the system, and it worked out most of the times).

I'd say Koeman's top qualities are making individual players better and playing different systems, judging by the way opponents play (mostly when playing topclubs he'd change the system). Also the players were very motivated.

He doesnt really have a key playstyle other then attacking preferably with wingers. He looks at the material he has to work with and adapts his strategy accordingly.To me this makes him an unique coach, he can make his playstyle/formation/tactics fit his players instead of the other way around. He has successfully played (among others): counter attacking football (AZ), classic dutch 4-3-3 (Ajax), attacking football with a goal facing striker (Feyenoord with Guidetti), attacking football with a striker to hold up play (Pelle), 3-5-2/5-3-2 (experiment with Feyenoord).

Koeman on the other hand has made mistakes in his career, but made them at smaller clubs, and he has bounced back and learned from them. As a result he is a couple of experiences ahead of Moyes. He learned from his stint at Ajax (how to fit key talented players into your system), from PSV (how to handle a loosing streak and to turn that around), from Valenica (not to move to a club that doesnt suit you and not to go against club management), from AZ (to keep discipline and strict regime if needed) and Feyenoord (developing youth players, adapting your playstyle and combining skills learned from previous mistakes). Koeman at Feyenoord was the sum of the lessons learned from his mistakes earlier in his career, and it arguably made him the best manager/coach in the league for 2 years in a row, without winning any silverware.

Koeman is tactically savvy, more so then Moyes. He knows when to intervene in a group process and in contrast to Moyes doesnt hesitate to do so (he did this at Valencia which lead to his sacking). He has proven to win 'big games' against stronger position by utilizing smart one off tactics. Koeman was a flawed manager when he started out, but he considered his career as a learning curve, improving himself with every new job he took on. Personally i think he is slightly ahead of Moyes on his experiences alone, and Southampton (as long as they dont have a sale) is the excellent opportunity to prove he is ready for the big clubs now. If successful, he might just be ready to take over a CL ready club in the EPL, maybe even Man U after van Gaal leaves. By then we can really compare him to Moyes.

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Thanks for costing me a fiver, Granty will be delighted. :x

 

He wasn't my preference and I have some concerns that he's not going to be as good as people think he is based on trophies won. He's almost certainly not going to be as good as people think he is based on his playing career. I have no problem with other people liking him, might even like him myself when I see how we play and if it works. People can praise Koeman all they like, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

 

You spanked a fiver to state the bleeding obvious... :lol:

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Well, he wasn't my preference, and I have no idea why people can't differentiate between success as a player and as a manager but I'm happy enough supporting Koeman's appointment as a Saints fan and we'll see howwhere it goes.

 

 

This is basically my point, if you're asking "who" when we announced the appointment of an ex-Argentinian international who was directly involved in a high-profile penalty incident at a World Cup involving England, you don't have an opinion that's contributing anything to the discussion.

 

So first we should differentiate between playing and managing careers. Then you say someone who wasn't aware of and/or couldn't recall his playing career can have no valid opinion of him as a manager. Arrogant contradiction there.

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