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First I'd heard of that?

 

T'was in L'Equipe a while back, Vincent Labrune (CEO at OM) isn't really a "football man" per se. So he used his network of friends and aquaintances to help him fill the managers role at the OM, Anigo the Sporting Director having been sidelined by then. MP was amongst his first targets but was known to be uninterested in the job. Labrune reached out to Luis Fernandez (known to MP at PSG) who persuaded Mauricio to get in touch with Bielsa for them, did that and then assisted in the rest of the recruiment process. Labrune wanted the style that the Bielsa stable brings, he found a way to get it that's all.

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just had lunch with a guy who has two sons in the academy at Feyenord (as you can imagine is also a big Feyenord fan)... couldn't speak highly enough of Koeman and the work he's done with the kids and behind the scenes... also spoke very positively about Pelle.... also said that although he's a bit fiery.. Koeman handled him really well behind the scenes....

 

There is no way Pellè can be half as nuts as Osvaldo.

 

...also please don't quote this in 3 months time if I'm wrong.

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Welcome to the forum Riin. I guess you're from Holland?

 

Yes I'm from Holland. Am I welcome here?

 

I just like Southampton as football club, the youth academy and their philosophy.

I'll watch every single game next season.

 

I hope some good Dutch players from Feyenoord will go to Southampton, but there is a huge chance they will follow LVG to United.

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Yes I'm from Holland. Am I welcome here?

 

I just like Southampton as football club, the youth academy and their philosophy.

I'll watch every single game next season.

 

I hope some good Dutch players from Feyenoord will go to Southampton, but there is a huge chance they will follow LVG to United.

 

I already like you more than most of the regulars :lol:

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just had lunch with a guy who has two sons in the academy at Feyenord (as you can imagine is also a big Feyenord fan)... couldn't speak highly enough of Koeman and the work he's done with the kids and behind the scenes... also spoke very positively about Pelle.... also said that although he's a bit fiery.. Koeman handled him really well behind the scenes....

 

He brought Feyenoord back to the top in Holland, from a mid-table team with a lot of finacial problems to the second place in a year. But in all honesty I have to say that Feyenoord had the best squad last season but Ajax became champion.

 

So basically everybody have a lot of respect for him, he did an amazing job but he is not better than Frank de Boer IMO

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He brought Feyenoord back to the top in Holland, from a mid-table team with a lot of finacial problems to the second place in a year. But in all honesty I have to say that Feyenoord had the best squad last season but Ajax became champion.

 

So basically everybody have a lot of respect for him, he did an amazing job but he is not better than Frank de Boer IMO

 

Welcome to the forum Riin. Just wondering which of our current players you think might benefit most from Koeman's man-management? I wonder whether someone like James Ward-Prowse could reach a similar level to Jordy Clasie in a few years time. He has all the attributes (excellent vision, touch, passing, set-piece ability) but just doesn't seem to impose himself enough on games at the moment - though it is easy to forget that he is still only 19! I noticed that Clasie stated that Koeman taught him 'to be a leader', so just interested to know how he might develop individual players, particularly the younger ones? Thanks.

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Welcome to the forum Riin. Just wondering which of our current players you think might benefit most from Koeman's man-management? I wonder whether someone like James Ward-Prowse could reach a similar level to Jordy Clasie in a few years time. He has all the attributes (excellent vision, touch, passing, set-piece ability) but just doesn't seem to impose himself enough on games at the moment - though it is easy to forget that he is still only 19! I noticed that Clasie stated that Koeman taught him 'to be a leader', so just interested to know how he might develop individual players, particularly the younger ones? Thanks.

 

It is hard to say how a player will develop under a new manager and I cannot say how Koeman exactly train his young players, I have seen a lot of coaching stuff from him but not every single trainings session but in general you can say that Koeman always want to work with players from the youth academy, it's a part of our philosophy, the fact that you give a U21 player a chance to play in the first team gives hope to other youth players, it makes fans happy to see players from their 'neighbourhood' and it's great in financial terms.

 

In the Eredivisie it is much more easy to step in the first league for a player under the age of 21, in the Premier League it's pretty hard, you have to be very strong physically, you have to be very strong mentally and tactically.

Whether a young player will make a step to the first team under Koeman will first of all depend on his quality and if his attributes fits the profile of his playing style. Koeman worked with Cruijff and Van Gaal so he learned the ideas of total football and the Dutch football vision, which means that a goalkeeper can play far from his goal and has passing skills, full-backs who play 'deep' or 'high' (what do you say?) on the pitch and a single striker that can hold the ball for a few seconds so that midfielders have to opportunity to run to the goal to create a scorings chance.

 

Those ideas never change even in a new system, he always played 433 but in february he chosed to play 532 with Feyenoord but those ideas will always be a part of his playing style.

 

Koeman doesn't only want to be a manager for his players he also wants to be a kind of father, he listen to his players, he wants to give them a feeling that they are important, he gives them responsibillity and he wants to teach them what is means to be a prof footballer, I believe he is a better people manager than Van Gaal and De Boer.

 

I cannot say what players under 21 are good enough to make it in the first squad but Southampton FC have always had a well-respected youth academy so there will be a lot of talented players walking around there.

I'm sure that he is not only focused on the transfermarket but he is also very interested in youth academy and their coaches, he said in an interview that he doesn't want to be a coach of a club that only buys players.

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Riin,

 

In one game in the league last season (and it might have been more than one), including substitutions, we had...

 

 

Shaw - 18yo

Chambers - 19yo

Warde-Prowse - 19yo

Reed - 18yo

Gallagher - 18yo

 

 

EDIT - actually don't think more than 4 of those ever played in the same game.

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Whether a young player will make a step to the first team under Koeman will first of all depend on his quality and if his attributes fits the profile of his playing style. Koeman worked with Cruijff and Van Gaal so he learned the ideas of total football and the Dutch football vision, which means that a goalkeeper can play far from his goal and has passing skills, full-backs who play 'deep' or 'high' (what do you say?) on the pitch and a single striker that can hold the ball for a few seconds so that midfielders have to opportunity to run to the goal to create a scorings chance.

 

Koeman doesn't only want to be a manager for his players he also wants to be a kind of father, he listen to his players, he wants to give them a feeling that they are important, he gives them responsibillity and he wants to teach them what is means to be a prof footballer, I believe he is a better people manager than Van Gaal and De Boer.

 

This sounds exactly like Pochettino when he was with us. I hope that's a good thing.

 

(we say the full backs are high to mean further forward - deep means further back)

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Posted to me from a native fan:

 

He's an amazing manager and he's bringing his brother along with him. They both managed Feyenoord. Ronald did quite a better job though with a 2-3-2 finish in the league in the past three seasons, which is exceptionally good for a club with our financial limitations for the past 6 years. Last season we were in a good position to become champion actually. We just let ourselves down in the 2 (very silly) matches right after the winter break.

 

He's also one of the masterminds (if u ask me) behind the 1-5-2-3 formation, the one that got us to win pretty much all of our last 10 matches. Same system was copied by Louis van Gaal, which left Spain in utter shock after 90 minutes. :)

 

He's a no-nonsense type of manager. Will give young lads and/or guys from the own academy a chance to prove themselves and whoever deserves it will make it to the first 11.

 

Good with media, straight forward, not a lot of tolerance if u don't perform well during practice and no preferential treatment. Ur lucky to have him as a manager. Hope he's going to do well for u guys. He deserves it.

 

Sounds bloody brilliant to me!

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Isn't the Nunnery the Dutch equivalent of the Priory Clinics in the UK?

 

Not in the job a week and already the pressure has got to him and driven him to drink or drugs or both.

 

After a month, he'll probably wind up behind a Jet station in Botley.

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Nuns!!?? He can post the pics on our matchday threads!!! :D

 

It's testament to the influence of the matchday threads that they sprung to mind instantly after reading Koeman's tweet.

 

On a semi-related note, I found an interesting article on Chile's coach Jorge Sampaoli, who has been credited with building on Marcelo Bielsa's tactical influence (Bielsa having also heavily influenced Pochettino). I believe Koeman has already tinkered with a dynamic 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, so we could be seeing something similar in action come August.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2014-fifa-world-cup-jorge-sampaoli-chile-marcelo-bielsa/

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Welcome to the forum Riin. Just wondering which of our current players you think might benefit most from Koeman's man-management? I wonder whether someone like James Ward-Prowse could reach a similar level to Jordy Clasie in a few years time. He has all the attributes (excellent vision, touch, passing, set-piece ability) but just doesn't seem to impose himself enough on games at the moment - though it is easy to forget that he is still only 19! I noticed that Clasie stated that Koeman taught him 'to be a leader', so just interested to know how he might develop individual players, particularly the younger ones? Thanks.

 

If Lallana and Lovren go, RK will need to find a leader pretty quickly. Fonte would me a possibility, but might not be in the starting eleven. So, unless we bring in such a character, I'd have thought it's a toss up between Davis and Morgan.

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If Lallana and Lovren go, RK will need to find a leader pretty quickly. Fonte would me a possibility, but might not be in the starting eleven. So, unless we bring in such a character, I'd have thought it's a toss up between Davis and Morgan.

 

if davis was a guaranteed starter he'd be a great pick but morgan is possibly a better call with his long service, likelihood of playing every game, and the possibility it will make him think twice about leaving.

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If Lallana and Lovren go, RK will need to find a leader pretty quickly. Fonte would me a possibility, but might not be in the starting eleven. So, unless we bring in such a character, I'd have thought it's a toss up between Davis and Morgan.

 

 

Basically the role of captain will depend entirely on who's still at the club on 1st September. If Lallana is definitely ruled out then we'd just as well give it to Davis...for obvious reasons, I really don't know where this excessive confidence in Morgan staying on comes from, he's admitted publicly on 2 occasions that he wants away but only in the conditions right for the club. The fact that he's not trumpetting to the gutter press every 30 seconds or so and has a discreet agent doesn't change that.

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Yes I'm from Holland. Am I welcome here?

 

I just like Southampton as football club, the youth academy and their philosophy.

I'll watch every single game next season.

 

I hope some good Dutch players from Feyenoord will go to Southampton, but there is a huge chance they will follow LVG to United.

 

Hope WE (Saints) get first pick of the Feyenoord players. We are expecting a few in from the Netherlands. Let's get some in. This summer has been all about who is leaving. :?

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Ronald Koeman has gained over 400,000 followers in the last 3 weeks!

 

Ronald Koeman @Koeman1963 · Jun 7

Reached more than 100,000 followers! Thank you all!

 

Ronald Koeman ‏@Koeman1963 · Jun 24

Wow! Over 500.000 followers. Hope to see you all at St.Mary's Stadium soon. #saintsfc

 

We'll need a stadium expansion to fit those 500,000 in at St Mary's! :p

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So, what formation will he play? 352? 532?

 

2 up front - JRod and Pelle?/A.N.Other

3 in Midfield - Lallana, Schneiderlin and Cork/Davis in an upside down V, Lallana at the top.

Wingbacks - Shaw and Clyne/Chambers

Back 3 - Lovren, Fonte, Wanyama/Other

 

 

 

I think the 4231 formation is dead.

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4321 should've read 4231
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Tweeted by Roko

 

So far, #Chili the best team! Same system as #nederlandselftal, but with pressing forward! Impressed!

 

Hmmm...Maybe someone should tell him that's the way we've been playing for the last 18 months.....and the very same reason i would rather have seen Jorge Sampaoli or anyone else from the Bielsa stable get the job at Saints.....Really think we've missed a trick here, but onwards and upwards

 

Well for one Bielsa joined Marseille before Poch even left us so was never an option.

 

So much fail here.

 

1) I'm sure the knowledge of how Saints have been playing is EXACTLY why Koeman tweeted that - it shows an enthusiam for a system that most Saints fans would recognise as "our way" without pinning himself to any specific style if he doesn't want to use it.

2) He said "Bielsa stable", not "Bielsa" himself. Any of those disciples would need a very minor tweak to the system we're already operating. Though if it was a system without Lambert, Lallana and Shaw (and Rodriguez for a few months) there would be the need for tweaks anyway, and all managers see players' abilities in different ways.

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So, what formation will he play? 352? 532?

 

2 up front - JRod and Pelle?/A.N.Other

3 in Midfield - Lallana, Schneiderlin and Cork/Davis in an upside down V, Lallana at the top.

Wingbacks - Shaw and Clyne/Chambers

Back 3 - Lovren, Fonte, Wanyama/Other

 

 

 

I think the 4321 formation is dead.

 

Works quite well if you are happy with your full backs killing themselves attacking and defending with only two CBs against endless wing attacks. :D

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So much fail here.

 

1) I'm sure the knowledge of how Saints have been playing is EXACTLY why Koeman tweeted that - it shows an enthusiam for a system that most Saints fans would recognise as "our way" without pinning himself to any specific style if he doesn't want to use it.

2) He said "Bielsa stable", not "Bielsa" himself. Any of those disciples would need a very minor tweak to the system we're already operating. Though if it was a system without Lambert, Lallana and Shaw (and Rodriguez for a few months) there would be the need for tweaks anyway, and all managers see players' abilities in different ways anyway.

 

The system or systems that we use next season will depend entirely on the players we have available when the season starts and that remains a total mystery as of yet.

In the meantime I shall be eagerly awaiting signs of what he proposes to do with Mayuka,Sharp etc.

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Ronald Koeman has gained over 400,000 followers in the last 3 weeks!

 

Ronald Koeman @Koeman1963 · Jun 7

Reached more than 100,000 followers! Thank you all!

 

Ronald Koeman ‏@Koeman1963 · Jun 24

Wow! Over 500.000 followers. Hope to see you all at St.Mary's Stadium soon. #saintsfc

 

We'll need a stadium expansion to fit those 500,000 in at St Mary's! :p

 

He's gonna be disappointed...they'll probably be around 28,000 inside St Marys for the first few games and the other 472,000 will be sat down the pub or at home watching for free on the internet streams!

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The system or systems that we use next season will depend entirely on the players we have available when the season starts and that remains a total mystery as of yet.

In the meantime I shall be eagerly awaiting signs of what he proposes to do with Mayuka,Sharp etc.

 

I'm not sure whether the system will depend on the players, or the players will depend on the system, assuming Koeman has funds to buy players. Fair point re: Mayuka, Sharp etc. Could be some interesting decisions to be made. Can't see Sharp agreeing to a move before January though, he's not going to get anything near his current deal anywhere in the Championship at the moment after 2 years of not matching his promotion form with Saints.

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Yes I'm from Holland. Am I welcome here?

 

I just like Southampton as football club, the youth academy and their philosophy.

I'll watch every single game next season.

 

 

This instantly makes you more endearing than many of the regulars on here. Of course you are welcome.

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