Apologists? Deafening silence tonight !

[rocknrollman no2]

We werent "on the right track before Lowe came back" though were we? Have you really forgotten the near relegation last season despite throwing shed loads of money we didnt have at the problem?

 

Weve underperformed for three seasons. Little has actually changed, except we are spending as much money as we used to to get the same result.

 

You also forgot that at least 5-7 thousand fans have had enough of all of this toal football rubbish?

[Legod Third Coming]

They are not pro footballers,they are very overpaid trainees who mostly will not make it.

 

 

Aint that the truth. Felt sorry for DMG - we should NEVER cheer a player off, EVER!!!

 

But he should not be playing. He is awful at the moment. Dog awful.

 

James was back to being one of the Commitments - committed himself early all the time.

 

Lallana must think he's the Christmas fairy - his corners were pathetic. My daughters could kick it further - in their ballet shoes.

 

Skacel was already thinking about Christmas in Riga with Borat.

 

Holmes actually was ok but tired - fair enough.

 

Who elae played? Who cares....

[Mole]

Ruperts rat pack will be on soon telling us how well we played etc.

[Legod Third Coming]

Ruperts rat pack will be on soon telling us how well we played etc.

 

only if they are forest fans...

[harvey]

We werent "on the right track before Lowe came back" though were we? Have you really forgotten the near relegation last season despite throwing shed loads of money we didnt have at the problem?

 

Weve underperformed for three seasons. Little has actually changed, except we are not spending as much money as we used to to get the same result.

 

There was a feeling that we were moving forward towards the end of last season, the fans actually felt united for a short space of time..........Lowe and behold numpty ****** turns up and decides that now is the time to revolutionize the whole structure of how to play championship football, at the the end of the day, in young peoples tearms.........'we iz ****ed'

Edited 20 December, 2008 by harvey

[buctootim]

There was a feeling that we were moving forward towards the end of last season, the fans actually felt united for a short space of time..........Lowe and behold numpty ****** turns up and decides that now is the time to revolutionize the whole structure of how to play championship football, at the the end of the day, in young peoples tearms.........'we iz ****ed'

 

I liked Pearson. IMO the biggest asset he brought was that he seemed to motivate the players a bit after Burley. Even then it was close run thing with an experienced and expensive team. Strip out all those players and give him motivated but raw and inexperienced and in some cases not good enough youngsters, who knows whether he would have done better than JP this season.

[Thedelldays]

I liked Pearson. IMO the biggest asset he brought was that he seemed to motivate the players a bit after Burley. Even then it was close run thing with an experienced and expensive team. Strip out all those players and give him motivated but raw and inexperienced and in some cases not good enough youngsters, who knows whether he would have done better than JP this season.

 

 

raw..? half the team are not raw but experienced players..

 

we dont even play the most youngsters in the league....

[rocknrollman no2]

I liked Pearson. IMO the biggest asset he brought was that he seemed to motivate the players a bit after Burley. Even then it was close run thing with an experienced and expensive team. Strip out all those players and give him motivated but raw and inexperienced and in some cases not good enough youngsters, who knows whether he would have done better than JP this season.

 

You make a good point buctootim,but Pearson at least had experience with youngsters at international level with England and was prepared to work with our youngsters this season.

Personally i think we wouldve been a lot better off with him leading our team.

At least we wouldve seen 4-4-2 at home.

[Plumstead_Saint]

Weve underperformed for three seasons. Little has actually changed, except we are not spending as much money as we used to to get the same result.

Blimey, I must have dreamed that play-off semi-final then.

[Saint_clark]

I didnt say that; I said it is a tactic the apologists employ. Standard fear tactic...

 

Administration is and always should be a completely last resort. It is NOT a way of bailing desperate clubs out of the sh*t, otherwise there would be 10 point deductions all over the place.

[buctootim]

Blimey, I must have dreamed that play-off semi-final then.

 

Is that the season where we scraped into the playoffs and got beaten by a team who later were relegated from the prem with the lowest ever points. The fact we had a cracking away game at Derby doesnt change the fact we underachieved overall .

[Micky]

About time some jackasses on here realised that plenty of us know exactly what administration means for all concerned,and that we feel that it is a solution that can achieve what we want.

 

1.To finally see the back of Lowe and his cronies,with the added bonus of them all

losing all their money.

 

2.A COMPLETE fresh start for the club and FANS.

 

3.The possibility of an united fanbase.

 

Yes we are prepared to accept the pain of points deductions and relegation,but we feel that it is a price worth paying.

 

Unfortunately your logic is a little flawed though.

 

Point 1 - administration would in no way guarantee the end of Rupert Lowes involvement in this club. You only have to look 20 miles down the road to see the proof of that.

 

Point 2 - the only fresh start that we would get is that any appointed administrators would insist on even more cost cutting measures and probably sell what little 'asset' we currently have in order to try to settle at least some of our debts.

 

Point 3 - there should be no reason why the fan base is devided now - not if we support the club properly. But it would appear that many on here believe it is our god given right to be in the Premiership, unfortunately no club holds that stature. As fans we should be supporting those 'idols' who wear the shirt and not be concerned with those 'faces' that pull the strings.

 

You may well wish administration upon us - that is your perogative, but don't for one minute think it will be an automatic fix to the problems that you list - it won't and it could actually make a bad situation much worse.

 

Administration - a huge gamble (IMHO) - but hey, it's your call.

[Dalek2003]

This choice of inexperienced league 1 managers ( or Dutch Div 2 managers), over experienced English and indeed international managers started with the appointment of Paul Sturrock in 2004, and was at the time celebrated by some of the very same fans who are now lambasting such decisions.

[badgerx16]

This choice of inexperienced league 1 managers ( or Dutch Div 2 managers), over experienced English and indeed international managers started with the appointment of Paul Sturrock in 2004, and was at the time celebrated by some of the very same fans who are now lambasting such decisions.

You are such a one trick pony.

[Chez]

It's one thing going into administration, takinging the ten point slap on the wrist and then with a clean slate being able to compete, but it's not as simple as that.

 

Creditors are subject to a CVA (Creditors Voluntary Agreement). For the CVA to succeed, 75% of the creditors +£1, must agree to the proposed CVA. If they don't agree by a set time then the League imposes a further points deduction (as it did with Leeds). If they don't ever agree then the club can go into liquidation.

[1965onwards]

As i have already said,plenty of us know 100% what administration means.

 

It is the ones who continually tells us that we don't who are the ignorant in this matter.

[OldNick]

RL has to act and remove Jan from his job as manager. I dont like to keep changing managers but RL made a misjudgement in appointng him as he does not have the tactical knowhow or the ability to inspire the team.

To be fair to the players I cant understand a lot he says during his interviews and so how can those lads understand a lot what he wants from them.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Just out of interest, what do u suggest? ...surely there is no money, there are no investors and we are not a profitable club. Without money we really have no real options.

 

Well that covers probably 3 quarters of the rest of the division.

Doesn't stop them trying things though does it?

[ottery st mary]

RL has to act and remove Jan from his job as manager. I dont like to keep changing managers but RL made a misjudgement in appointng him as he does not have the tactical knowhow or the ability to inspire the team.

To be fair to the players I cant understand a lot he says during his interviews and so how can those lads understand a lot what he wants from them.

 

Come on nick, you are almost there. Say it, you know you want to .

 

Rupert Lowe, has to be removed and then the coaching staff can be replaced.

 

It is your main man who is the problem and whilst your at confession ask him to take Wildey with him , after he has given his shares to me that is.

 

Merry xmas to Lowey and his little team and of course you nick.

Your probably the only real supporter amongst that little mob.

[benjii]

I can't believe there is a single person who still defends the "JP was an appointment of economic necessity and Lowe's grand strategy was a plan of economic necessity" argument.

 

You may think these choices were laudable in principle, but face it, they are rubbish in reality. Lowe was blinded by the fact we produced Walcott and Bale at roughly the same time and believed the academy could produce £10m worth of talent every season.

 

A good manager = more home wins = for argument's sake, 2,000 or so extra supporters (?) = circa £40k extra income per match >>> wages of better manager easily pay for themselves.

 

It's obvious. Anyone can see it. The only conclusion is that Lowe must have honestly thought this current set-up would do well ..... or he has darker plans in mind.

 

As soon as Lowe sacked Pearson you knew he had learnt nothing and was on one of his usual ego trips.

 

He has ruined the club with a further litany of incidents of shameful and pompous mismanagement.

[Daren W]

The problem some people have on here is that they refuse to see Wilde and Lowe as being the real problem....

 

"So who would you have then smart arse?" they'd reply.

 

Well the problem is that as a club we are a good proposition, a good investment...

 

As a PLC we are a ****ing disaster...

 

If I had £50 million I'd be steering well clear of Saints too as the people in charge are would actively put me off. The split in the boardroom is so devisive, so deep, that I believe it puts people off.

[Legod Third Coming]

I can't believe there is a single person who still defends the "JP was an appointment of economic necessity and Lowe's grand strategy was a plan of economic necessity" argument.

 

You may think these choices were laudable in principle, but face it, they are rubbish in reality. Lowe was blinded by the fact we produced Walcott and Bale at roughly the same time and believed the academy could produce £10m worth of talent every season.

 

A good manager = more home wins = for argument's sake, 2,000 or so extra supporters (?) = circa £40k extra income per match >>> wages of better manager easily pay for themselves.

 

It's obvious. Anyone can see it. The only conclusion is that Lowe must have honestly thought this current set-up would do well ..... or he has darker plans in mind.

 

As soon as Lowe sacked Pearson you knew he had learnt nothing and was on one of his usual ego trips.

 

He has ruined the club with a further litany of incidents of shameful and pompous mismanagement.

 

 

He clearly believed that the club had to be self-financing.

 

That is the correct decision in the absence of wealth from a third party investment.

 

The previous regime borrowed on the basis that someone would arrive and clear the debt - sound familiar...

 

So, the idea was right - still is.

 

The execution is currently not good enough. What of this is down to the core raw material available and the coaching set-up's use of this material is open to debate.

 

Even with Pearson, I suspect we would have had excatly the same squad.

 

So, question is, do we change manager and hand him the same squad but hope for better results?

 

OR do we give the existing incumbent a chance with better raw material.

 

Both will cost the same - I reckon.

 

I don't care either way, but I fear that the Lowe option will be to maintain the squad as is and appoint an even less experienced coach.

 

This is, however you like to dress it, a problem caused by lack of finance.

This was Rupert's solution.

The idea he could have appointed a manager based on projections of bigger crowds from better results... would Barclays have bought it? Who knows. Who knows what the projections were under the existing regime??

 

It's time for Lowe and Wilde to answer these questions and explain their strategy and thinking once and for all!!! With the REAL numbers.

[Legod Third Coming]

The problem some people have on here is that they refuse to see Wilde and Lowe as being the real problem....

 

"So who would you have then smart arse?" they'd reply.

 

Well the problem is that as a club we are a good proposition, a good investment...

 

As a PLC we are a ****ing disaster...

 

If I had £50 million I'd be steering well clear of Saints too as the people in charge are would actively put me off. The split in the boardroom is so devisive, so deep, that I believe it puts people off.

 

Exactly

 

They MUST hold a peace-forum and work out how to save us.

 

They could be men.

 

But I fear they will be mice.

[NickG]

The problem some people have on here is that they refuse to see Wilde and Lowe as being the real problem....

 

"So who would you have then smart arse?" they'd reply.

 

Well the problem is that as a club we are a good proposition, a good investment...

 

As a PLC we are a ****ing disaster...

 

If I had £50 million I'd be steering well clear of Saints too as the people in charge are would actively put me off. The split in the boardroom is so devisive, so deep, that I believe it puts people off.

 

well who?

 

There is no-one trying to buy them out -I wish there was.

 

They may well be the problem but we need solutions!

[70's Mike]

Exactly

 

They MUST hold a peace-forum and work out how to save us.

 

They could be men.

 

But I fear they will be mice.

 

they could do what thousands of small businessmen are doing at present, dip into their savings and put money into their business.

I have 500 shares i will write a cheque tomorrow if they announced a 50p rights issue,

[Daren W]

well who?

 

There is no-one trying to buy them out -I wish there was.

 

They may well be the problem but we need solutions!

 

Well I'm just a fan/customer...

 

You'd do well to ask the people being paid to be in charge...

 

It's rather like asking Woolworth customers to sort their mess out..

[um pahars]

He clearly believed that the club had to be self-financing.

 

That is the correct decision in the absence of wealth from a third party investment.

 

The execution is currently not good enough. What of this is down to the core raw material available and the coaching set-up's use of this material is open to debate.

 

Have no problem with the general concept of living within our means, but as you also point out, the execution of that general principle has been poor.

 

As for what this is down to, well my main belief is that it is mainly down to the coaching set up, as in addition to preparing the team and deciding what formation to play, they also overseen who we have brought in.

 

Even with Pearson, I suspect we would have had excatly the same squad.

 

This is where I start to disagree with you as although Pearson would have had to operate within the same financial restraints, considering we have brought in something like 12 new players, there is no way you can say he would have brought in all of the same players.

 

I also think that Pearson would have gone for more of a mix of youth and experience in his acquisitions.

 

I don't care either way, but I fear that the Lowe option will be to maintain the squad as is and appoint an even less experienced coach.

 

In which case, the solution has to involve Lowe being removed from his position as CEO and Chairman. He has nailed his colours to this "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", and so when Jan leaves, then Lowe will have to leave with him.

 

This is, however you like to dress it, a problem caused by lack of finance.

This was Rupert's solution.

 

The problem is not caused by the lack of finance, more that the lack of money is a constraint within which we (and many other clubs) have to work.

 

And in no way can this be called a solution, as a solution would suggest that it has solved the problem. A strategy maybe, but in no way a solution!!!

[um pahars]

well who?

 

There is no-one trying to buy them out -I wish there was.

 

They may well be the problem but we need solutions!

 

You do not need a buy out to find and install a replacement CEO and/or Chairman.

 

There may not be a will to replace Lowe in either of those positions, but that is not the same as saying there are no alternativies out there. Just as managers can be replaced, so can football executives.

[saintjay77]

Well I'm just a fan/customer...

 

You'd do well to ask the people being paid to be in charge...

 

It's rather like asking Woolworth customers to sort their mess out..

 

But the people in charge are providing there answer and it doesnt look like it is going to be proved to be effective. Im sure Woolworths people in charge tried a few things before they decided to shut up shop and put allot of people out of work over christmas.

 

So the people in charge at SMS have looked at the incomings and the outgoings and tried to model there product to fit into these budgets. If the product doesnt prove to be good enough to sustain within this budget then no doubt they will also decide to shut up shop. In come the administrators and Hopefully the debt can be sorted out. Cheap model number 2 will be born and Hopefully that will be good enough to keep us in what ever league we land in.

 

As much as I dont like what is happening to our club now I dont see how the downward direction is anything to look forward too. So without the people at the top giving us a golden ticket and a clear direction out of it we do look to the customers to see if they have any ideas that would be worth looking forward too.

 

Anyone?

 

What was that about the silence?

 

The club needs solutions not more problems.

[saintjay77]

Have no problem with the general concept of living within our means, but as you also point out, the execution of that general principle has been poor.

 

As for what this is down to, well my main belief is that it is mainly down to the coaching set up, as in addition to preparing the team and deciding what formation to play, they also overseen who we have brought in.

 

 

 

This is where I start to disagree with you as although Pearson would have had to operate within the same financial restraints, considering we have brought in something like 12 new players, there is no way you can say he would have brought in all of the same players.

 

I also think that Pearson would have gone for more of a mix of youth and experience in his acquisitions.

 

 

 

In which case, the solution has to involve Lowe being removed from his position as CEO and Chairman. He has nailed his colours to this "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", and so when Jan leaves, then Lowe will have to leave with him.

 

 

 

The problem is not caused by the lack of finance, more that the lack of money is a constraint within which we (and many other clubs) have to work.

 

And in no way can this be called a solution, as a solution would suggest that it has solved the problem. A strategy maybe, but in no way a solution!!!

 

Its very difficult to say what Pearson would have done or what he would have been alloud to have done but i agree on what you say about the current couching staff and who they have brought in. It has been very hit and miss on who has been a success. Maybe Pearson would have had better judgement on possible people coming in and therefor not so many loans coming in to fill out our reserve team and medical room.

 

we are not entirely sure how much the current coaching staff had to do with who was coming in though which raises another question on who is doing what and if they should be doing it. If it is the case that Rupes is our scout and is deciding who we bring in without the coaches input then this must be a reason that all of us can agree on his removal. But I cant see how it can be proved and even if it has any truth what so ever so its almost a non starter.

 

The facts that we can see though is our team are not doing good enough and we seem to be moving in the wrong direction. That in its self has in the past been enough to make changes happen so there should be no reason why it cant happen now.

 

Your idea of removing Rupes is a nice one but I think that as long as he is in the background somewhere there will always be problems. Surly the only way forward will be for a complete removal of him so we are back to searching for someone that wants to pay him and his proxy money for there shares.

 

Feels pretty crap being a saint right now.

[SW11_Saint]

I'm probably classed as an apologist. Most of our problems could be solved by money. We dont have any. Until some of wrist slitters who want to sack everyone with no idea of what to do next actually address that thorny little issue, I suppose I'll continue to be one.

 

Show me the glint of £5m or so and it would be a totally different story.

Given that Lowe came in and "sacked everyone" (Pearson etc.), clearly without a clue of what to do next, are you including him in that group? Mind, even if Lowe had money I wouldn't trust him with it.

[saintjay77]

Given that Lowe came in and "sacked everyone" (Pearson etc.), clearly without a clue of what to do next, are you including him in that group? Mind, even if Lowe had money I wouldn't trust him with it.

 

When did he sack pearson?

 

I got no problem having a pop at lowe but I wish people would have a go at him for the right things.

[SW11_Saint]

You do not need a buy out to find and install a replacement CEO and/or Chairman.

 

There may not be a will to replace Lowe in either of those positions, but that is not the same as saying there are no alternativies out there. Just as managers can be replaced, so can football executives.

Absolutely right Um. Everyone seems to think we have to have a white knight to come in with bags of money to rid us of the spectre of Lowe. Not true (although of course it would be the ideal scenario). As you point out executives are replaced all the time.

 

Our problem of course is that Wilde how holds all of the cards here and unless he grows a pair, we're going to be stuck with Lowe for the foreseeable future. I'd actually even accept Cowan or someone as an interim CEO/Chairman, but I suspect he would always stick with Lowe out of loyalty. If things tipped the other way again (surely, this is even beyond Wilde?), back to Crouch & Co. that wouldn't fill me with hope either.

 

All in all an awful position to find ourselves in, with an absolute dearth of boardroom talent, or alternatives, available. That said, I do think we MUST stop this ridiculous experiment with JP now before it's too late. He'd be fine as a Youth development coach, but is clearly out of his depth at this level - as we all suspected. Time to make a change, and if that happens Lowe would surely have to fall on his sword,given that this was another of his 'revolutionary' ideas...

 

...(right, some hope!).

[OldNick]

for me I dont point the finger at one person and think if he goes all is then hunky dory.

It would gall me to see RL go and then know that the rest of the crew who hide in the shadows are stil there enjoying their perks and privilages.

I cant see that any of them deserve to be there and the lot without exception should go (although i do believe LC is the closest to the others to put his money where he mouth is).

The last lot lost the biggest opportunity in the clubs history and so they should hang their heads in shame. The only clever thing they did was to muddy the waters so the fans didnt really fully believe that there was PA around. I would point to who did say he was Lc and a highly respected journalist put his reputation on the line. I know many will scoff but that serves the old board well that fans do.

[um pahars]

I know many will scoff but that serves the old board well that fans do.

 

And it serves the new board well to start spreading little stories and tales denigrating the old regimes.

 

Tales that are then peddled by some in a bid to divert people's attention away from the more pressing issues, and failings of today.

[OldNick]

And it serves the new board well to start spreading little stories and tales denigrating the old regimes.

 

Tales that are then peddled by some in a bid to divert people's attention away from the more pressing issues, and failings of today.

I do hope you dont mean me Ump as I have no contact with any of them, thankfully.

Im still smiling from your posts last night, they really did cheer me up and brought me out of my bad mood before i went out with friends.

[um pahars]

I do hope you dont mean me Ump as I have no contact with any of them, thankfully.

Im still smiling from your posts last night, they really did cheer me up and brought me out of my bad mood before i went out with friends.

 

Yours may be unintentional (whereas others are definitley intentional), but the little tales about Paul Allen, Pearson not willing to work under financial constraints etc are all attempts by those connected to the current regime to divert attention from our more pressing worries.

[Legod Third Coming]

You do not need a buy out to find and install a replacement CEO and/or Chairman.

 

There may not be a will to replace Lowe in either of those positions, but that is not the same as saying there are no alternativies out there. Just as managers can be replaced, so can football executives.

 

When did a turkey vote for Xmas? A dictator vote for democracy?

 

You bandy about this idea that we could appoint a CEO like it's a solution.

 

Who would direct the CEO I wonder???

[OldNick]

Yours may be unintentional (whereas others are definitley intentional), but the little tales about Paul Allen, Pearson not willing to work under financial constraints etc are all attempts by those connected to the current regime to divert attention from our more pressing worries.

I cant recall saying NP not agreeing to work under constraints but we dont know how the interview went. i do accept that he was not likely to get the job as it appears Jan and co were already pencilled in.

I do agree that NP is doing well at Leicester but I think he has a tremendous squad for that league and so it is hard to tell.

i do know that this league is not rocket science, you need a lump at centre half a muscling lump at cemntre forward and then a team of footballers around them.

I love the beautiful game and want to watch good football but that is falling apart as the players seem to be losing faith in Jan.

[um pahars]

I cant recall saying NP not agreeing to work under constraints but we dont know how the interview went.

 

Exactly, but that hasn't stopped people connected to the new regime claiming that was indeed the case, then feeding certain individuals these little tales in hope that they will get out and in turn be seen as gospel!!!!!

 

It would appear that rather than boast that Jan and the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" are the way forward and part of a long term vision, some are now trying to say we had no choice!!!!!!

[Legod Third Coming]

Exactly, but that hasn't stopped people connected to the new regime claiming that was indeed the case, then feeding certain individuals these little tales in hope that they will get out and in turn be seen as gospel!!!!!

 

It would appear that rather than boast that Jan and the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" are the way forward and part of a long term vision, some are now trying to say we had no choice!!!!!!

 

 

We had a choice, but one dictated by available funds.

 

Do we know the numbers involved - any of us?

 

Is Jan working for £50 grand a year???

 

These are thing questions the board MUST answer and explain.

[um pahars]

When did a turkey vote for Xmas? A dictator vote for democracy?

 

I don't for one minute think Lowe would vote against himself :rolleyes:, but with less than 6% that does mean that over 94% could. At the moment, it would not appear that that will happen, but that's not to say it couldn't (or wouldn't).

 

The 6% this turkey holds may not vote for Xmas, but the other shareholdrs could easily outvote him.

 

You bandy about this idea that we could appoint a CEO like it's a solution.

 

It may not be a solution, because there is no guarantee it would solve out problems, but the idea that there is no alternative to Lowe as CEO is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

Just as every football club has a manger, then almost every club has a CEO. They are not a rare breed.

 

Who would direct the CEO I wonder???

 

How do you think other clubs and companies get it to work. Unlike our "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", there's nothing revolutionary about appointing a CEO and getting him/her to run the business on a day to day basis.

[LGTL]

Can't believe i'm starting to agree with Alps. Thing is though, none of us can have a go at him, since he was totally spot on about Burley, and is spot on about the current situation. I have always tried to find positives in the past but am finding it increasingly difficult.

[View From The Top]

Again, what do you expect? We're not underachieving are we? That's reason for being annoyed. We're a poor squad performing as expected and fighting relegation.

 

I say "fighting" in the loosest possible sense of cause after yesterday when we stood back and waited for defeat for the second half. Quality wise, I don't blame the players of JP one bit. Effort wise and fight wise I think it's been despicable recently. I'll support Jan because I don't see why anyone can expect any more with the resources he's got. BUT, I simply can't support him if he continues to play McGoldrick when he continually shows nothing but distain for everyone that cares about the club with his behaviour. Biggest ***** to ever play for us, and we've had Leon Best.

 

Surman looked like he believed he was a premiership player. He is an APPALLING central midfielder. He's okay on the left side, but then, Skacel and Holmes are far far better than him.

 

Lallana has a great touch, great close contol, who knows what he'll become, but right now, he's completely ineffective. Can't shoot, can't even take a corner ffs.

 

But worst of all is DMG. Couldn't care less if he's good or crap, he just has the most appalling attitude I've ever seen at the club.

 

Never broke into a sweat. Please David, **** off right now.

 

I'm still waiting for our "hungry young strikers" to bang in the 20 goals each this season that you told us all they would do.

 

That's how you justified the sheeding of Saga and Stern wan't it?

 

Oh, shock horror, you've changed your mind and pretend you never said it.

 

Luckily for you then that quite a few of us remember.

[Snowballs2]

Although removing Lowe will not cure the problem, what it would do is to end the divisive attitude. I look on Lowe as a boil which causes agravation and needs to be lanced. Sadly as in the old days some feel that leeches can cure, so they hang on for grim death waiting, Askam and Richards et al would also need to be removed, not just for supporting the return of Lowe, but to help bring unity back into the fold

[Legod Third Coming]

I don't for one minute think Lowe would vote against himself :rolleyes:, but with less than 6% that does mean that over 94% could. At the moment, it would not appear that that will happen, but that's not to say it couldn't (or wouldn't).

 

The 6% this turkey holds may not vote for Xmas, but the other shareholdrs could easily outvote him.

 

 

 

It may not be a solution, because there is no guarantee it would solve out problems, but the idea that there is no alternative to Lowe as CEO is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

Just as every football club has a manger, then almost every club has a CEO. They are not a rare breed.

 

 

 

How do you think other clubs and companies get it to work. Unlike our "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", there's nothing revolutionary about appointing a CEO and getting him/her to run the business on a day to day basis.

 

 

I think you have lost all grip on reality.

 

Lowe is controlling the club with the complicity of the majority of shareholders.

 

Would you like to explain the circumstances by which Lowe will step aside for this CEO??

 

Or by which he will be forced out?

 

Given that the existing shareholders support the plan (or they would have voted against it) the problem remains that your gleaming new CEO would still be selected and directed by the existing shareholders.

 

And if they are/were stupid enough to back Lowe's plan they might very easily pick another inpet CEO... there are lots of them as current economic conditions indicate only too well.

 

No-one is saying there is no option but Lowe. The point (which I am sure you mischievously overlook) is who the f u c k is going to get rid of Lowe AND the people who supported him?

[Ponty]

Although removing Lowe will not cure the problem, what it would do is to end the divisive attitude. I look on Lowe as a boil which causes agravation and needs to be lanced. Sadly as in the old days some feel that leeches can cure, so they hang on for grim death waiting, Askam and Richards et al would also need to be removed, not just for supporting the return of Lowe, but to help bring unity back into the fold

 

No argument that Lowe's presence is divisive but we were hardly united when he was absent.

[um pahars]

I think you have lost all grip on reality.

 

Lowe is controlling the club with the complicity of the majority of shareholders.

 

Would you like to explain the circumstances by which Lowe will step aside for this CEO??

 

Or by which he will be forced out?

 

Given that the existing shareholders support the plan (or they would have voted against it) the problem remains that your gleaming new CEO would still be selected and directed by the existing shareholders.

 

And if they are/were stupid enough to back Lowe's plan they might very easily pick another inpet CEO... there are lots of them as current economic conditions indicate only too well.

 

No-one is saying there is no option but Lowe. The point (which I am sure you mischievously overlook) is who the f u c k is going to get rid of Lowe AND the people who supported him?

 

The simplest solution to get Lowe to step aside would be if Wilde withdrew his support. Considering he led the charge last time round to cut the head off the snake, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he realises backing Lowe to be CEO was a mistake. That would probably be enough to remove him.

 

Additionally if Askham and/or Richards also withdrew their support then he would be a dead man walking. There must come a time when these two finally see sense and realise he should not be in any executive capacity.

 

There's no doubt that these three supported the original plan, as did many posters on here, but I wonder if they are now reconsidering this position????

[Legod Third Coming]

The simplest solution to get Lowe to step aside would be if Wilde withdrew his support. Considering he led the charge last time round to cut the head off the snake, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he realises backing Lowe to be CEO was a mistake. That would probably be enough to remove him.

 

Additionally if Askham and/or Richards also withdrew their support then he would be a dead man walking. There must come a time when these two finally see sense and realise he should not be in any executive capacity.

 

There's no doubt that these three supported the original plan, as did many posters on here, but I wonder if they are now reconsidering this position????

 

 

OK, how and who can work on these people?

 

How do we start a campaign to have him removed and someone installed who will work on a minimal fee/performance basis to review the real numbers, slim down the squad to 22 REAL footballers, bring the fans back with a series of communications and heart-to-hearts to boost the finances and give the club a real chance of, first survival, and then a better plan in the summer of 2009?

 

Is the Trust now dead?

 

Are we totally impotent?

Edited 21 December, 2008 by Legod Third Coming

[Scudamore]

I'm still waiting for our "hungry young strikers" to bang in the 20 goals each this season that you told us all they would do.

 

That's how you justified the sheeding of Saga and Stern wan't it?

 

Oh, shock horror, you've changed your mind and pretend you never said it.

 

Luckily for you then that quite a few of us remember.

 

Someone had an opinion and it turned out to be wrong...

 

Sure is lucky you're here to remember...just imagine if you weren't...

 

Adrians should be hung drawn and quartered for this shameful display of wrongness...