Blackmore: Players angry with Board & Reed

[kpturner]

So, a hack with nothing better to do as the club aren't telling him anything has a sulk and comes up with a story that all the players are unhappy, gets called on it my MLT and can't explain why and the place goes into meltdown about what a shambles of a board we have. As far as I can see, MoPo has gone and he was going to leave anyway. Not sure there is anything they could have done about Lambert apart from royally **** him off by not letting him go and apart from that, the club have been true to their word and are turning down bids for our players (it's not their fault that clubs are making bids for our talented players btw, it was inevitable after last season) as they said they would until the new manager is appointed. Same goes for renewing contacts I imagine. They're not going to renew contracts for players that might not be in the new bosses plans. Hold tight, it might all end well.

 

My feelings exactly. Unfortunately, however, trying to be sensible on here will not turn the heads of those determined to peddle the meltdown scenarios. Blackmore has just made himself took a bit foolish IMHO - but it has been great for people wanting to find somebody to blame for their own personal feelings of insecurity. I dread to think what it would be like to be a Norwich, Cardiff or Fulham fan right now - or Bristol Rovers even. They'd love to be in our position despite the uncertainty.

Edited 1 June, 2014 by kpturner

[Saint Charlie]

Agreed. It must also be very difficult to communicate with the players collectively at this moment. Individually yes, but is Blackmore suggesting the board should send emails or make telephone calls to players to advise on strategy and future planning. Maybe the board should just let them have their rest after a fantastic season and address them all together when they return. Sounds more logical

 

I'm fairly certain Jack Cork would be happy to have his summer break interrupted with the offer of a new contract. Especially as he hasn't heard anything on it despite having asked.

 

Board have been in place for nearly six months, so surely should be in a position now to make these kind of decisions. Waiting just adds uncertainty and will make players like Cork and Fonte start to sort out other moves (if they haven't already).

[Viking Warrior]

Saint Charlie

 

Brian I think you should do your home work they have not been together for nigh on 6 months

 

Ps how's life in Leeds these days?

[sadoldgit]

Unbelievable thread. Here's a thought. Why dont we wait and see who goes and who comes in before we slit our wrists? No one here seems remotely bothered that Cortese was in the process of offloading Rickie to West Ham in January or that he abandoned his "baby" just because the owner had the termerity to ask for more regs.

Happy days.

[Saint Charlie]

Saint Charlie

 

Brian I think you should do your home work they have not been together for nigh on 6 months

 

Ps how's life in Leeds these days?

 

Cortese left in January, no?

 

Its now June. So the new Board, Rogers as CEO leading it and Reed in charge of footy decisions, should be able to make calls on things like this, especially as Krueger doesn't get actively involved in football matters.

 

Cork just wants to know when contract talks can begin, surely he deserves time for a chat?

[St Marco]

Looks like he was right about the Lallana figure then

[Leicestersaint]

Looks like he was right about the Board's failure to communicate properly with the players.

[S-Clarke]

Looks like he was right about the Board's failure to communicate properly with the players.

 

He may well be right, but what from today actually proves that?

[CB Fry]

Looks like he was right about the Board's failure to communicate properly with the players.

If only we'd "communicated properly" Luke Shaw wouldn't have even thought about wanting to go to Man United for one hundred plus grand a week.

[saintbob40]

Sir Les Patterson > Sir Les Reed.

[badgerx16]

If only we'd "communicated properly" Luke Shaw wouldn't have even thought about wanting to go to Man United for one hundred plus grand a week.

 

We could also have persuaded Rickie that he really hadn't been dreaming of playing for Liverpool since he was in short trousers.

[Saint Charlie]

Some apologies owed to Adam Blackmore I think.

 

Sour Mash and Viking Warrior can go first.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

"Speaking with the people making the decisions at the club, it was clear to me that they had big ambition, and they were determined to bring players in, but that's easier said than done." Kelvin Davis

 

We were told that the club weren't talking to the players, and that no-one knew what was going on? Or was this only when Lallana et al were trying to push their moves through and blame the board?

[Turkish]

Some apologies owed to Adam Blackmore I think.

 

Sour Mash and Viking Warrior can go first.

 

Really Charlie? What you got to say?

[Turkish]

"Speaking with the people making the decisions at the club, it was clear to me that they had big ambition, and they were determined to bring players in, but that's easier said than done." Kelvin Davis

 

We were told that the club weren't talking to the players, and that no-one knew what was going on? Or was this only when Lallana et al were trying to push their moves through and blame the board?

 

More comedy from this site, brilliant stuff on here.

 

So are we still run by amateurs?

 

Is les Reed still odious?

[doggface]

hilarious

[Unbelievable Jeff]

More comedy from this site, brilliant stuff on here.

 

So are we still run by amateurs?

 

Is les Reed still odious?

 

It wasn't actually to call people out - it was more on the back of the fact that Adam Blackmore chats ****.

[shurlock]

More comedy from this site, brilliant stuff on here.

 

So are we still run by amateurs?

 

Is les Reed still odious?

 

Does Les Reed still have the cushtiest job in football and is responsible for the whole failed southampton way?

 

Best to leave sleeping dogs lie sometimes, isn't it?

[shurlock]

It wasn't actually to call people out - it was more on the back of the fact that Adam Blackmore chats ****.

 

No he doesn't chat **** - still pound for pound one of the most reliable observers of the club. You just have to put keep in sources in context (which he does) and not all of whom are ex-players with obvious axes to grind.

Edited 27 October, 2014 by shurlock

[ART]

Daily I get a strong impression that many on here live life like Grave Robbers, digging up dead corpses for their personal satisfaction.

 

Why, at this time of one of the greatest moments in our recent history are some raking over the past. Save it up for the next spell of boredom during next summers close season and enjoy our good days whilst it lasts.

[Saint Charlie]

Really Charlie? What you got to say?

 

Nothing to Adam Blackmore because I didnt question his skills as a Journalist or his sources, which for the information he was given, were first class.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

No he doesn't chat **** - still pound for pound one of the most reliable observers of the club. You just have to put keep in sources in context (which he does) and not all of whom are ex-players with obvious axes to grind.

 

You say that, but I have called him out all Summer. We had many Twitter conversations and he wouldn't answer a number of questions I asked. Personally, I think he spoke to those who were leaving, who fed him ****, and he fell for it hook, line and sinker.

[Turkish]

Does Les Reed still have the cushtiest job in football and is responsible for the whole failed southampton way?

 

Best to leave sleeping dogs lie sometimes, isn't it?

 

I can admit I was wrong, others can't.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Nothing to Adam Blackmore because I didnt question his skills as a Journalist or his sources, which for the information he was given, were first class.

 

The problem is you have to know which information is good and which is bad, it's part of the skill of being a journalist. Shows why he is still (and will always be) a local journalist.

 

Just because you spent your Summer rimming the guy, does not mean what he reported was correct, and certainly was not in the best interest of Southampton Football Club. He was one of the big reasons you lot wet the bed, so I am surprised you still defend him, considering he made you all look, frankly, like idiots.

[The Cat]

And you can bet your bottom dollar that our friend Ralph will come out with something like this.....''Yes, we've sold our best players, but the new manager will have a lot of money to reinforce the team. We have a lot of funds to add to the side and we want to go shopping for Southampton saints''

 

RK - Hi Swansea, we would like to buy Neil taylor please. We value him at £3-4m

Swansea - Hi Southampton, I understand you have a lot of money to spend. We want £8m please

RK - We can't be paying that. Bye

 

Onto the next target....

 

How much did your bottom dollar get you on that bet?

 

Seems to me that we paid just what other clubs wanted in the summer, the only deal we pulled out of being Rojo due to the 3rd party ownership complications.

 

Seems like "our friend Ralph" did ok, no?

[Saint Charlie]

You say that, but I have called him out all Summer. We had many Twitter conversations and he wouldn't answer a number of questions I asked. Personally, I think he spoke to those who were leaving, who fed him ****, and he fell for it hook, line and sinker.

 

The players he spoke to all left so obviously they were slightly biased but all he can report os what they tell him and ultimately they did all leave.

 

If he was speaking directly to the players then thats a pretty good source compared the Crooks of the world.

 

From what Schneiderlin has said recently, it would seem comminication wasnt a huge strong point at the start of the summer and only improved when Koeman came in.

 

Kelvin Davis' comments are those of a prpfessional club captain, at a major high moment in the club's history and he isn't someone who would have needed to speak to the club much in the summer about a transfer or contract. I am sure he gets well paid for a non playing squad member.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

The players he spoke to all left so obviously they were slightly biased but all he can report os what they tell him and ultimately they did all leave.

 

If he was speaking directly to the players then thats a pretty good source compared the Crooks of the world.

 

From what Schneiderlin has said recently, it would seem comminication wasnt a huge strong point at the start of the summer and only improved when Koeman came in.

 

Kelvin Davis' comments are those of a prpfessional club captain, at a major high moment in the club's history and he isn't someone who would have needed to speak to the club much in the summer about a transfer or contract. I am sure he gets well paid for a non playing squad member.

 

I know he'd take the words of those players that left, but they were trying to make the club look bad so people wouldn't blame them for leaving. It was bull****, Blackmore reported it, you gobbled it up and thought the club was imploding.

 

I don't trust many journalists, certainly not Crooks and 110% not Blackmore, because they are local hacks trying to get to the big time.

 

Your sycophantic nature towards someone who badmouthed the club you support all off season was pretty disgusting, and i can't understand why you'd turn on the club so quickly, especially when Blackmore didn't once back his claims up in interviewing Krueger.

 

Your loyalty was with a local hack, and a number of greedy, disloyal players, and not with the club. For that, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

[Saint Charlie]

The problem is you have to know which information is good and which is bad, it's part of the skill of being a journalist. Shows why he is still (and will always be) a local journalist.

 

Just because you spent your Summer rimming the guy, does not mean what he reported was correct, and certainly was not in the best interest of Southampton Football Club. He was one of the big reasons you lot wet the bed, so I am surprised you still defend him, considering he made you all look, frankly, like idiots.

 

But what bad info did he give us? That players were going to be sold? That Poch was stringing us along? That Cork and Fonte hadn't been offered contracts?

 

Pretty much all of what he said happened so I don't see the issue?

 

All Journalists are biased in some way because of where they get their info whether its Blackmore from the players, Peach from Sibley (who told us Chambers was ill when he has already done an Arsenal medical), Sky from other newspapers/Journalists or Crook from his own head.

 

Thats just how it works.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

But what bad info did he give us? That players were going to be sold? That Poch was stringing us along? That Cork and Fonte hadn't been offered contracts?

 

Pretty much all of what he said happened so I don't see the issue?

 

All Journalists are biased in some way because of where they get their info whether its Blackmore from the players, Peach from Sibley (who told us Chambers was ill when he has already done an Arsenal medical), Sky from other newspapers/Journalists or Crook from his own head.

 

Thats just how it works.

 

Read your first post on this thread - it was that **** that was the issue.

 

- Players angry at lack of communication to them, some have asked for clarification and not received it

 

- Some irrepairable differences which will lead to quite a few players leaving

 

- Players like Cork and Fonte in the dark over their futures which hasn't gone down well with others

 

- Things have changed a lot since they signed long term contracts and they don't feel they know what is happening, same as fans

 

- Good group of players who are no trouble, so must feel strongly

 

- One thing Cortese did particularly well was communicate to players - he was close to them

 

- Will come out in the wash once things have settled down

 

- Not just Reed but whole board that are not well liked

[Saint Charlie]

Which of those do you majorly disagree with then? Quite a few were true and some still are. For a Journalist I would say thats a pretty good accuracy record.

 

Most are pretty standard. Perhaps that nobody liked Reed is debatable but a few well connected posters here said the same (not that it matters)

 

As for being ashamed, that is for when you cheat on your wife or organise a punch up after a football match, not for posting some quotes from the Radio Solent commentator and summising that some of them are true!

[Wes Tender]

But what bad info did he give us? That players were going to be sold? That Poch was stringing us along? That Cork and Fonte hadn't been offered contracts?

 

Pretty much all of what he said happened so I don't see the issue?

 

All Journalists are biased in some way because of where they get their info whether its Blackmore from the players, Peach from Sibley (who told us Chambers was ill when he has already done an Arsenal medical), Sky from other newspapers/Journalists or Crook from his own head.

 

Thats just how it works.

 

Squirming like a worm on a hook. It isn't as if this was the only thread that has exposed your shortcomings in the patience and forebearance departments either.

[Saint Charlie]

Squirming like a worm on a hook. It isn't as if this was the only thread that has exposed your shortcomings in the patience and forebearance departments either.

 

Haha. Again its a simple question. What did Blackmore say that was so wildly inaccurate?

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Read your first post on this thread - it was that **** that was the issue.

 

- Players angry at lack of communication to them, some have asked for clarification and not received it

 

- Some irrepairable differences which will lead to quite a few players leaving

 

- Players like Cork and Fonte in the dark over their futures which hasn't gone down well with others

 

- Things have changed a lot since they signed long term contracts and they don't feel they know what is happening, same as fans

 

- Good group of players who are no trouble, so must feel strongly

 

- One thing Cortese did particularly well was communicate to players - he was close to them

 

- Will come out in the wash once things have settled down

 

- Not just Reed but whole board that are not well liked

 

Saint Charlie - There is no evidence that any of the above apart from the Cortese one are true, have been true and will be true, that's the issue.

 

You know the number of questions MLT and I asked him in the Summer, whilst we were debating that he just ignored and wouldn't answer.

Edited 27 October, 2014 by Unbelievable Jeff

[Saint Charlie]

Saint Charlie - There is no evidence that any of the above apart from the Cortese one are true, have been true and will be true, that's the issue.

 

You know the number of questions MLT and I asked him in the Summer, whilst we were debating that he just ignored and wouldn't answer.

 

1. Cork has repeatedly said he hasnt been spoken to.

 

2. Morgan said recently he signed a long term contract and then was no longer sure of our direction this summer. He is happier now but at the time clearly wasn't.

 

3. Ultimately 5 very good first team players did leave and the Manager. We have now replaced them all well but hadnt then.

 

4. Fonte said that there had been a lack of communication from the club regarding his contract situation.

 

5. As you said the NC one is true.

 

6.Very good sources on here who know his family personally said AL didnt like Reed or rate him (thats his opinion of course).

 

So plus the Cortese one that is over half that Blackmore has been backed up by some players on, and their quotes are on the record.

 

Blackmore's job is to report on the situation, he was told those things by the players themselves so reported on them.

 

To be fair it doesnt matter much now and everything is truely great, but the start of the summer was a shambles, in PR of not even in what happened.

 

FWIW I and another on here spoke to Ralph Kruger at the Player Awards Dinner (I was so ashamed of the club I wanted to go) and he really didnt come across as you would want a PL Chairman to. I askes him about MP and players and he said it was all media fuelled speculation and genuinely didnt seem to think Spurs were even interested. He was out of his depth on football matters and days later did that horrendous Solent interview after the Utd game where he said the next day we would be speaking to clubs about our players.

 

They obviously learned a bit because he took a back seat after that.

 

Great debate as usual on here and I was wrong in that it has turned out brilliantly and I am loving every second of it. I can certainly admit that. But I also know that whilst the last couple of months are 10/10 the May, June and start of July period was very poorly handled.

 

I am sure, and hope, they learned a lot.

Edited 27 October, 2014 by Saint Charlie

[VectisSaint]

Saint Charlie - There is no evidence that any of the above apart from the Cortese one are true, have been true and will be true, that's the issue.

 

You know the number of questions MLT and I asked him in the Summer, whilst we were debating that he just ignored and wouldn't answer.

Oh dear, local hack does not respond to Unbelievable Jeff. Bummer. Of course Blackmore should have interviewed the Unbelievable one and got the low down on what was happening from the insightful one. Talk about being full of **** and self importance. Really surprised that the Unbelievable one has not demanded an apology from some of the players who allegedly may have thought there were some problems at the Club this summer, they should come out with personal apologies addressed directly to the Unbelievable one, and made to wear sackcloth for the rest of the season. It was clear to everyone that everything was perfect during the summer and Unbelievable Jeff is the prescient one who is all knowing and we should all have listened and then we who are not worthy would have known that all was well.

[david in sweden]

You say that, but I have called him out all Summer. We had many Twitter conversations and he wouldn't answer a number of questions I asked.

 

Personally, I think he spoke to those who were leaving, who fed him ****, and he fell for it hook, line and sinker.

 

 

 

REALLY ?.....and that surprises you? Did you expect total transparency when asking such questions?.

 

I think most people accept that transfer deals, and Boardroom decisions are kept under wraps until the time they want to announce. Rumours abound, but it's the club who do the signing and deals.

 

Any journalist worth his salt knows when to speak out and when to keep quiet, if he is to be trusted by his sources and still keep any degree of credibility.

[Sour Mash]

Some apologies owed to Adam Blackmore I think.

 

Sour Mash and Viking Warrior can go first.

:badger::badger:

[Viking Warrior]

Saint Charlie

 

I have no need to apologise . If you look back in time you will see I retracted some of my comments

 

My main gripe at the time was there was so much made up negativity being spouted at the time by various journo's It was ****ing me off . I'm not got to apologise because I had a certain opinion . Just like you for resurrecting this story .

[cellone]

I think the gist of this thread is some learn and some don't. It was a bit crap back then. I think it knocked the wind out of our sails, but the new crew members have helped those remaining to get the ship back on course and made good head way.

[Saint Charlie]

Saint Charlie

 

I have no need to apologise . If you look back in time you will see I retracted some of my comments

 

My main gripe at the time was there was so much made up negativity being spouted at the time by various journo's It was ****ing me off . I'm not got to apologise because I had a certain opinion . Just like you for resurrecting this story .

 

I didn't ressurect it and was happy with you retracting the comments at the time!

[the colonel]

Daily I get a strong impression that many on here live life like Grave Robbers, digging up dead corpses for their personal satisfaction.

 

Why, at this time of one of the greatest moments in our recent history are some raking over the past. Save it up for the next spell of boredom during next summers close season and enjoy our good days whilst it lasts.

 

Spot on

[Unbelievable Jeff]

1. Cork has repeatedly said he hasnt been spoken to.

 

2. Morgan said recently he signed a long term contract and then was no longer sure of our direction this summer. He is happier now but at the time clearly wasn't.

 

3. Ultimately 5 very good first team players did leave and the Manager. We have now replaced them all well but hadnt then.

 

4. Fonte said that there had been a lack of communication from the club regarding his contract situation.

 

5. As you said the NC one is true.

 

6.Very good sources on here who know his family personally said AL didnt like Reed or rate him (thats his opinion of course).

 

So plus the Cortese one that is over half that Blackmore has been backed up by some players on, and their quotes are on the record.

 

Blackmore's job is to report on the situation, he was told those things by the players themselves so reported on them.

 

To be fair it doesnt matter much now and everything is truely great, but the start of the summer was a shambles, in PR of not even in what happened.

 

FWIW I and another on here spoke to Ralph Kruger at the Player Awards Dinner (I was so ashamed of the club I wanted to go) and he really didnt come across as you would want a PL Chairman to. I askes him about MP and players and he said it was all media fuelled speculation and genuinely didnt seem to think Spurs were even interested. He was out of his depth on football matters and days later did that horrendous Solent interview after the Utd game where he said the next day we would be speaking to clubs about our players.

 

They obviously learned a bit because he took a back seat after that.

 

Great debate as usual on here and I was wrong in that it has turned out brilliantly and I am loving every second of it. I can certainly admit that. But I also know that whilst the last couple of months are 10/10 the May, June and start of July period was very poorly handled.

 

I am sure, and hope, they learned a lot.

 

You have spectacularly missed the point yet again Charlie.

 

1. Why would players who are off in holiday be annoyed that their colleagues haven't been offered new contracts when they still have over a year left?

 

2. They don't know what was happening in response to what? It was the end of the season, what did they want? The club were waiting to find out if they needed a new manager. Surely you know nothing can really be done and agreed until a manager has been appointed.

 

3. This doesn't seem to have any relevance to any of the above.

 

4. Again, why would players get that annoyed about Fonte's contract? And he's signed one now, do you think those players regret wanting to leave because Jose didn't have a new contract?

 

6. Traitor Lallana doesn't like Reed? I trust Clattenburg is a better judge of character than Lallana personally. I also thought it was the whole board, and a lot of the players?

 

I notice you left out the ones about them being a good group of lads. I assume you decided against that as they ended up shaming themselves with their atrocious behaviour.

 

I also never said you were ashamed of the club? I said you should be ashamed of your behaviour, you did a Lallana to the club this Summer, yet you still try to deny it.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Oh dear, local hack does not respond to Unbelievable Jeff. Bummer. Of course Blackmore should have interviewed the Unbelievable one and got the low down on what was happening from the insightful one. Talk about being full of **** and self importance. Really surprised that the Unbelievable one has not demanded an apology from some of the players who allegedly may have thought there were some problems at the Club this summer, they should come out with personal apologies addressed directly to the Unbelievable one, and made to wear sackcloth for the rest of the season. It was clear to everyone that everything was perfect during the summer and Unbelievable Jeff is the prescient one who is all knowing and we should all have listened and then we who are not worthy would have known that all was well.

 

We were half way through a long debate, I asked him questions which he deflected and then ignored. It wasn't just a random question.

[Smirking_Saint]

The problem is you have to know which information is good and which is bad, it's part of the skill of being a journalist. Shows why he is still (and will always be) a local journalist.

 

Just because you spent your Summer rimming the guy, does not mean what he reported was correct, and certainly was not in the best interest of Southampton Football Club. He was one of the big reasons you lot wet the bed, so I am surprised you still defend him, considering he made you all look, frankly, like idiots.

 

It sort of makes me laugh that because everything turned out rosey that everything that Blackmore spoke about was complete crap. Its just immature to think so.

 

There was a lot of bad blood between some at the end of last season, the upheaval did have an affect. Although there was a raft of spin on both sides of the fence I have it on good authority that there was a great deal of tension in the ranks before, thankfully, the club got a hold of things.

 

Nobody was right and nobody wrong really, the club has vindicated its decision to let those that forced their way out go, a large part was a money, but there was ambition involved, and the club was questioned on that, ultimately the players that left and some of us posters got it wrong, the ambition was there.

 

Ill hold my hands up and admit I was one of those that worried, as I said before I hear a lot from the corridoors in the club and plenty were worried about how things were handled early on but now Im assured theres never been a better attitude around the club. But Im not going to apologise for that worry, nor would I apologise for my positivity now and during last season.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

I didn't ressurect it and was happy with you retracting the comments at the time!

 

So what was that post on the 29/07, over a month after the previous one.

 

You're welcome.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

It sort of makes me laugh that because everything turned out rosey that everything that Blackmore spoke about was complete crap. Its just immature to think so.

 

There was a lot of bad blood between some at the end of last season, the upheaval did have an affect. Although there was a raft of spin on both sides of the fence I have it on good authority that there was a great deal of tension in the ranks before, thankfully, the club got a hold of things.

 

Nobody was right and nobody wrong really, the club has vindicated its decision to let those that forced their way out go, a large part was a money, but there was ambition involved, and the club was questioned on that, ultimately the players that left and some of us posters got it wrong, the ambition was there.

 

Ill hold my hands up and admit I was one of those that worried, as I said before I hear a lot from the corridoors in the club and plenty were worried about how things were handled early on but now Im assured theres never been a better attitude around the club. But Im not going to apologise for that worry, nor would I apologise for my positivity now and during last season.

 

See the funny thing is I heard a lot from the corridors as well, but the discontent and panic from those not agitating for a move was nowhere near what was reported by the media and by some people on this site.

 

I never said nothing Blackmore said was true, what I was saying is he was being used by the players that wanted out and naively didn't think about the fact that they could be massively exaggeratino/lying to him to make the club look bad.

Edited 27 October, 2014 by Unbelievable Jeff

[stevegrant]

Which of those do you majorly disagree with then? Quite a few were true and some still are. For a Journalist I would say thats a pretty good accuracy record.

A good journalist would fact-check from someone other than a very obviously biased source. Blackmore's main gripe over the summer was that all of his sources were no longer connected to the club so he was losing his exclusives, it's why he's been banging the Jack Cork drum louder than anybody else.

[Smirking_Saint]

See the funny thing is I heard a lot from the corridors as well, but the discontent and panic from those not agitating for a move was nowhere near what was reported by the media and by some people on this site.

 

I never said nothing Blackmore said was true, what I was saying is he was being used by the players that wanted out and naively didn't think about the fact that they could be massively exaggeratino/lying to him to make the club look bad.

 

It was certainly exaggerated, thats what a journalist does after all, and yes of course there was an exaggeration from the players that left, I had heard before however that things were not rosey between MP, the players and the board. I went as far as to say they were incompetant, which I agree is too far now. For one reason or another communication was poor, though realistically it must of been a difficult time evaluating the position with what was in essence an entirely new board

[Toon Saint]

I said you should be ashamed of your behaviour, you did a Lallana to the club this Summer, yet you still try to deny it.

 

:hunt:He plays on the left, he plays on the right, Dusan Tadic makes Saint Charlie look ****e.

[Saint Charlie]

You have spectacularly missed the point yet again Charlie.

 

1. Why would players who are off in holiday be annoyed that their colleagues haven't been offered new contracts when they still have over a year left?

 

2. They don't know what was happening in response to what? It was the end of the season, what did they want? The club were waiting to find out if they needed a new manager. Surely you know nothing can really be done and agreed until a manager has been appointed.

 

3. This doesn't seem to have any relevance to any of the above.

 

4. Again, why would players get that annoyed about Fonte's contract? And he's signed one now, do you think those players regret wanting to leave because Jose didn't have a new contract?

 

6. Traitor Lallana doesn't like Reed? I trust Clattenburg is a better judge of character than Lallana personally. I also thought it was the whole board, and a lot of the players?

 

I notice you left out the ones about them being a good group of lads. I assume you decided against that as they ended up shaming themselves with their atrocious behaviour.

 

I also never said you were ashamed of the club? I said you should be ashamed of your behaviour, you did a Lallana to the club this Summer, yet you still try to deny it.

 

1. I don't know and its nothing to do with me but Blackmore said there were no talks and Cork has backed that up many times.

 

2. I assume in relation to the ambition of the club. Schneiderlin has said recently that he was no longer sure of the ambition which made him want to leave which he nearly did. So when Blackmore said some players were consodering their futures because they had lost faith with the club, he was right.

 

3. Its relevant because Blackmore said players were frustrated with the club and will leave and he was proved right, five did leave for various reasons.

 

4. Blackmore said the players were not happy that Fonte, one of the key players, had not been offered a contract. Fonte himself wasnt happy and said so since Blackmore said it. Its not for me to speculate about why players werent happy.

 

5. The Cortese bit you said before was true.

 

6. Yes Lallana, who Blackmore spoke to, doesnt like Reed. Lambert said on Sky before the Liverpool game he was a bit worried about the future for Saints because of who was in charge. They might be wrong but Blackmore said some players didnt like Reed and that seems to be true.

 

If you re read the OP where I summarised some of Blackmore's tweets, there really isnt anything overly ludicrous there.

 

Re them being a good group of lads Im not sure because I don't know them. None had ever seemed like complete wallies before but then again in football there are massive egos and amounts of money they are chasing and clearly some of the players handled their transfers very badly. No denying that. Probably the same with Tadic, Mane or Forster when a top side wants them.