Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Can still get odds of 8/1 on SkyBet which I expect a lot of you will want to get on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Assuming we bring in a couple of decent replacements I can't see us going down, we're better than the 3 coming up. 17th though is a distinct possibility... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I'll be having a tenner on that. And that is not knee jerk. We are about to lose Lambert (our 2nd highest goal scorer last season), most likely Lallana and our top scorer is out until the end of the year. That is 37 goals and 19 assists we must find replacements for. That is not going to come cheap. In this league you need goals to survive. Norwich who weren't all that bad at the back last season, could not score goals and that is why they went down. Without RL, AL & JR I do not see where our goals are going to come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I'll be having a tenner on that. And that is not knee jerk. We are about to lose Lambert (our 2nd highest goal scorer last season), most likely Lallana and our top scorer is out until the end of the year. That is 37 goals and 19 assists we must find replacements for. That is not going to come cheap. In this league you need goals to survive. Norwich who weren't all that bad at the back last season, could not score goals and that is why they went down. Without RL, AL & JR I do not see where our goals are going to come from. Add to that you will need to integrate a lot of new players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 You'd be throwing your money away to bet on Southampton going down next season. Are people assuming that we're just going to sell without making effective replacements? The scouting network at this club has surfaced gems in Lovren and (arguably) Wanyama, so I trust that they wouldn't' have any trouble next season. And as someone so rightly said above - the three teams being promoted are much much worse than Southampton, as are a handful of others currently in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Can still get odds of 8/1 on SkyBet which I expect a lot of you will want to get on... what are the odds for a Euro qualification place under a new manager ?........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 You'd be throwing your money away to bet on Southampton going down next season. Are people assuming that we're just going to sell without making effective replacements? The scouting network at this club has surfaced gems in Lovren and (arguably) Wanyama, so I trust that they wouldn't' have any trouble next season. And as someone so rightly said above - the three teams being promoted are much much worse than Southampton, as are a handful of others currently in the PL. We struggled to beat BUrnley last season and. Leicester will be decent,QPR will spend to stay up The league is stronger than last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 You'd be throwing your money away to bet on Southampton going down next season. Are people assuming that we're just going to sell without making effective replacements? The scouting network at this club has surfaced gems in Lovren and (arguably) Wanyama, so I trust that they wouldn't' have any trouble next season. And as someone so rightly said above - the three teams being promoted are much much worse than Southampton, as are a handful of others currently in the PL. But presently we just don't know what Southampton will look like player-wise next season. Why are we selling if we aim to do like for like replacements? Ain't gonna happen. No way will we be anywhere near as strong on Sept 1st as we were on May 1st at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 But presently we just don't know what Southampton will look like player-wise next season. Why are we selling if we aim to do like for like replacements? Ain't gonna happen. No way will we be anywhere near as strong on Sept 1st as we were on May 1st at this rate. I'm not sure I understand your second point, but I completely agree with you that the situation at the moment is uncertain and that it's unlikely we will be as strong in September than we were in May. However, this doesn't doom us to relegation at all. Rather, Southampton are in a very strong position to reinvest with a new manager that can promote his own vision and secure us European qualification (or so the board say) while also keeping the core of the team. This is a situation other teams such as QPR and Leicester don't find themselves in. They are obligated to spend just to stay afloat in the PL. Therefore, you could argue that both teams are making wholesale changes but Saints from a drastically stronger position. And that isn't even taking into account the whole host of other underachieving teams in the PL - West Brom and Swansea - who don't have the means to bolster significant parts of their squad. Is it likely that Hull might repeat their previous tenure in the PL? What I'm trying to say is that there are too many variables indicating a Saints survival next season. That may be in 17th place, but so what - survival in any position means that a bet on relegation is wasted. There's a reason why the odds for Saints relegation are as there are right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Any team that tries to integrate 5 or 6 first team players at once always seem to struggle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Any team that tries to integrate 5 or 6 first team players at once always seem to struggle It depends on the quality of the players and manager surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 You'd be throwing your money away to bet on Southampton going down next season. Are people assuming that we're just going to sell without making effective replacements? The scouting network at this club has surfaced gems in Lovren and (arguably) Wanyama, so I trust that they wouldn't' have any trouble next season. And as someone so rightly said above - the three teams being promoted are much much worse than Southampton, as are a handful of others currently in the PL. Those players came to a club with ambition. If we sell all the players being touted we won't be able to get replacements of the same standard. I'm waiting for more signs of if this is a fire sale before betting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 The point is the players we are selling are proven goal scorers in the PL - they could easily get replaced with the likes of Osvaldo and Gastons - expensive imports that fail to cope with the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 The point is the players we are selling are proven goal scorers in the PL - they could easily get replaced with the likes of Osvaldo and Gastons - expensive imports that fail to cope with the PL Exactly. Osvaldo scored twice in half a season. Say we replace Lambert with somebody who scores 4 goals over a whole season. We'll be in deep trouble. Look at what a flop (and an expensive one at that) Van Wolfswinkel has been for Norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 It depends on the quality of the players and manager surely? When does it ever really work Especially with the calibre of players we will get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Any team that tries to integrate 5 or 6 first team players at once always seem to struggle Probably best to buy them before the end of august then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Any team that tries to integrate 5 or 6 first team players at once always seem to struggle Do they? Last season: Chelsea (10) transfers, Hull (13) Palace (19), Liverpool (8 ), Sunderland (17) Everton (10), Stoke (8 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Do they? Last season: Chelsea (10) transfers, Hull (13) Palace (19), Liverpool (, Sunderland (17) Everton (10), Stoke ( How many of those played more than 10 league starts for each club? Less than half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Probably best to buy them before the end of august then. I'm having a ton on 8-1. At least then if we do go down I can afford to go to one of Artur's parties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Do they? Last season: Chelsea (10) transfers, Hull (13) Palace (19), Liverpool (8 ), Sunderland (17) Everton (10), Stoke (8 ) You missed Spurs. P.S. How come you were allowed back? Did you have to make certain promises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Let's get real here we've lost Lambert, probably Lallana and Shaw maybe one other as key players. That will leave us with a region of £60m. We'll have a new manager with a decent sized transfer budget. Look at the dross that finished below us. People need to chill. Let's see who the manager is first before predicting relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 The worry is we lose Rickie, Adam, Luke, Dejan, Morgan and Nat / Calum. We therefore need almost an entire new back 4 and a new midfield to front spine. If that happens then it's all luck really after that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Any team that tries to integrate 5 or 6 first team players at once always seem to struggle Spot on We will get off to our historical bad start in the top Division (last year was unusual) and then have to make up ground as new players/manager become bedded in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 We were 150-1 before MP left. Wish I'd had a bit of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 We were 150-1 before MP left. Wish I'd had a bit of that! Yeah right for 2014/15. Absolutely no chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 We were 150-1 before MP left. Wish I'd had a bit of that! No we weren't, we were 14/1, remember mentioning it in some context, 400/1 to win the PL and only 14/1 to go down. 8th favourite to win the league 12th (ie 20- favourite to go down. That's halved now I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 I'm having a ton on 8-1. At least then if we do go down I can afford to go to one of Artur's parties LOL! So wrong - yet so funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Only once I can think of. When Pompey were all but down and signed half a new team in January including d'alessandro. I think it can work at the bottom because you don't need consistency, just to grab a few wins. But it'll never work in giving you a decent overall season. Pompey looked down and out until arry wheeled and dealed. He's right a old sort our arry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conaero Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Can still get odds of 8/1 on SkyBet which I expect a lot of you will want to get on... Why don't you just **** off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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