WIGANSAINT Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 A failure in everything he as done in football Utterly clueless ask charlton.How long do you give him in the job before his ass hits the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 I thought he was a goodie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 A failure in everything he as done in football Utterly clueless ask charlton.How long do you give him in the job before his ass hits the door. let us know how the hangover is in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 1. It's Leslie. 2. Wouldn't Cortese have sacked him if he was so useless? Sent from my LG-D802 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Sorry Wigan, I only listen to you when you're wearing a wig and sat in front of t'camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 A failure in everything he as done in football Utterly clueless ask charlton.How long do you give him in the job before his ass hits the door. Oh dear! Either a complete numpty post or to many pints last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Mr Les Reed, 25 April "No club has been given permission to talk to any of our players. That will remain so. As far as the policy is concerned, we’ve had a great season. We want to build on that season. We want to improve the squad going forward. “We want to retain the players we’ve got. They are all contracted. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts. Any enquiries we get will probably be met with a ‘no – not for sale’. Our intention is to keep this very good team together and build on it by bringing new players to improve on that" http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/25042014-les-reed-statement-on-pochettino-and-players-1509755.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Mr Les Reed, 25 April "No club has been given permission to talk to any of our players. That will remain so. As far as the policy is concerned, we’ve had a great season. We want to build on that season. We want to improve the squad going forward. “We want to retain the players we’ve got. They are all contracted. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts. Any enquiries we get will probably be met with a ‘no – not for sale’. Our intention is to keep this very good team together and build on it by bringing new players to improve on that" http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/25042014-les-reed-statement-on-pochettino-and-players-1509755.aspx Your point being..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Mr Les Reed, 25 April "No club has been given permission to talk to any of our players. That will remain so. As far as the policy is concerned, we’ve had a great season. We want to build on that season. We want to improve the squad going forward. “We want to retain the players we’ve got. They are all contracted. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts. Any enquiries we get will probably be met with a ‘no – not for sale’. Our intention is to keep this very good team together and build on it by bringing new players to improve on that" http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/25042014-les-reed-statement-on-pochettino-and-players-1509755.aspx and ...." . no players will leave if Pochettino wants them "......looks to have a different interpretation now - doesn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Your point being..... My point being quite simple. Neither Mr Reed (nor, after his statement has also been shown to be utterly worthless, Mr Krueger) has any credibility whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 My point being quite simple. Neither Mr Reed (nor, after his statement has also been shown to be utterly worthless, Mr Krueger) has any credibility whatsoever. Let's give Les Reed a chance. Krueger has failed this week. Inspirational speaker and motivator? I think not. Exposed on TV Interviews as lacking integrity and through some very simple internet research a failed ice hockey coach who by his own self admission knows nothing about football (which is painfully clear to us all). Les Reed has got lucky so far with MP. He has to find us a manager to steady the ship and - as yet - apart from letting Lambert go for a song, which I assume is more Kruegers lack of experience in negotiations, Reed has not sold anyone on. Test will be Lallana over the next 24 hours given Liverpool are taking the mickey out of us on player sales, but give Les Reed a chance. If he can get a manager, pledge (AGAIN) no more sales until that manager has made his assessment and announced a preseason then he will have done his job. Oh, and for good measure the only other thing he needs to do is engineer Kruegers sacking. So, let's see what he can do. Balls in his court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 My point being quite simple. Neither Mr Reed (nor, after his statement has also been shown to be utterly worthless, Mr Krueger) has any credibility whatsoever. Let's give Les Reed a chance. Krueger has failed this week. Inspirational speaker and motivator? I think not. Exposed on TV Interviews as lacking integrity and through some very simple internet research a failed ice hockey coach who by his own self admission knows nothing about football (which is painfully clear to us all). Les Reed has got lucky so far with MP. He has to find us a manager to steady the ship and - as yet - apart from letting Lambert go for a song, which I assume is more Kruegers lack of experience in negotiations, Reed has not sold anyone on. Test will be Lallana over the next 24 hours given Liverpool are taking the mickey out of us on player sales, but give Les Reed a chance. If he can get a manager, pledge (AGAIN) no more sales until that manager has made his assessment and announced a preseason then he will have done his job. Oh, and for good measure the only other thing he needs to do is engineer Kruegers sacking. So, let's see what he can do. Balls in his court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 A few weeks ago we were a model club, one of the best run in the Premiership. Everyone was being praised for playing their part. Now we are lead to believe that many of the staff are inept and we are in mealtdown. How then, did we manage to get to 8th in one of the toughest competitions in football and were the envy of many other clubs? Or did I dream that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 A few weeks ago we were a model club, one of the best run in the Premiership. Everyone was being praised for playing their part. Now we are lead to believe that many of the staff are inept and we are in mealtdown. How then, did we manage to get to 8th in one of the toughest competitions in football and were the envy of many other clubs? Or did I dream that? You are dreaming if you think we can make so many changes and finish 8th next year... At this rate I would start dreaming about the Champioship the season after next...... Make no mistake this club is in major turmoil with nobody in control of a complete mess. Even the chairman doesn't know what is happening next! 8th was last year - it's this year you need to think about.... We are adrift in a storm with no captain at the helm and one by one the lifeboats are sinking.... I wouldn't put Kruger in charge of plastic duck in a bath frankly .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 A failure in everything he as done in football Utterly clueless ask charlton.How long do you give him in the job before his ass hits the door. You're a bit simple arent you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 My point being quite simple. Neither Mr Reed (nor, after his statement has also been shown to be utterly worthless, Mr Krueger) has any credibility whatsoever. Why ? Nobody has left yet ? Apart from potentially lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 To be fair to Reed, that is the closest the club have come to a hands off statement since the fiasco started. Since then the public stance seems to have softened to one which suggests we are open to business but on our terms. Meanwhile the private stance seems to be even more open to sales. I don't think it's worth haranguing reed for issuing a clear hands off, as it looks like it is the clubs private stance which is undermining the public anyway. Reed made the statement that everybody wanted to hear. If it isn't backed up by the clubs actions subsequently, that's the fault of the actions , not the statement. If you subscribe to the alternate point of view, then you're basically saying you want Reed to have come out and said that were quite interested in selling our best players and that Poch has refused to sign a contract and were worried that he is off! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIGANSAINT Posted 31 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 31 May, 2014 All the positve thoughts are all well and good. But you need to remember you sell your best players and you go down sooner or later Fact. We are just a bloody feeder club and I iam sorry but I won't be putting any more into this club to feed the liars at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Krueger is getting all the flak because he has come out and done a couple of interviews and sounded clueless, however it is Reed that is meant to be in control of recruitment, contracts, selling players - so I lay the blame squarely on him - I think one of his biggest errors is not sorting the contracts for Cork and Fonte - how difficult can that be - Also I assume its Reed that is meant to be communicating with the players - nobody is actually doing it and this is what is unsettling the whole team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 The fact that the players appear to have no confidence in Les Reed or the board, is very,very worrying to say the least. If Les Reed was really as good as some of you fans seem to think, why has he not had a glittering career in club football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Krueger is getting all the flak because he has come out and done a couple of interviews and sounded clueless, however it is Reed that is meant to be in control of recruitment, contracts, selling players - so I lay the blame squarely on him - I think one of his biggest errors is not sorting the contracts for Cork and Fonte - how difficult can that be[/quote Right now very difficult. I am afraid it's amateur hour! Reed is known within football circles as having a delusionally high opinion himself..... Best we all concentrate on the facts within his CV and the blancmange he is now making of our wonderful club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Why ? Nobody has left yet ? Apart from potentially lambert Maybe I'm reading Mr Reed's statement too closely, but then, how else am I or anyone else supposed to read it? I'll quote it again ... "No club has been given permission to talk to any of our players. That will remain so." And yet, one month later, Rickie Lambert was given permission to talk to Liverpool - he decided personal terms. and the next bit ... “We want to retain the players we’ve got. They are all contracted. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts." It's that pesky word "all" that's the killer. He didn't say "some are contracted" nor did he say "most are contracted", he said "all". And, again, the decision to sell Lambert shows what he said one month ago to be just so much baloney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Maybe I'm reading Mr Reed's statement too closely, but then, how else am I or anyone else supposed to read it? I'll quote it again ... "No club has been given permission to talk to any of our players. That will remain so." And yet, one month later, Rickie Lambert was given permission to talk to Liverpool - he decided personal terms. and the next bit ... “We want to retain the players we’ve got. They are all contracted. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts." It's that pesky word "all" that's the killer. He didn't say "some are contracted" nor did he say "most are contracted", he said "all". And, again, the decision to sell Lambert shows what he said one month ago to be just so much baloney. Its doubtful anyone expected Liverpool to bid for Lambert. And sometimes exceptional circumstances mean a change in specific thoughts. Sent from my LG-D802 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Reed seemed quite strong on the academy front personally when i've heard him interviewed before. Under the new board though his sphere of influence has expanded and i'm not sure that's a good thing. Hopefully a strong coach and a storm weathered Krueger can balance things out in future. ... sudden positivity has overwhelmed me. No doubt i'll refresh my browser and the world will collapse again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Its doubtful anyone expected Liverpool to bid for Lambert. And sometimes exceptional circumstances mean a change in specific thoughts. Sent from my LG-D802 using Tapatalk I think that's a good point to be honest. I am still giving Reed a chance. Because AL and Shaw are still here on our terms.as the day closes. He seems to have resisted Liverpool and Manures bids for now. Let's see what management he brings in.if Reed gets the next few weeks wrong we are going to implode. He needs us behind him for now. Krueger on the other hand is clueless and should be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Its doubtful anyone expected Liverpool to bid for Lambert. And sometimes exceptional circumstances mean a change in specific thoughts. Are you saying Reed didn't anticipate a bid for an England international striker? Maybe not from Liverpool, but from anyone? I take the point made by SaintRobbie that AL and Shaw are still with us and so to have delayed/rejected bids so far shows some resolve but to have caved in so feebly over Lambert runs contrary to his earlier statement. Had we accepted a bid for, say, Kelvin Davis then Reed might be cut a little slack but to have sold Lambert within a month of his statement is damaging beyond repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Are you saying Reed didn't anticipate a bid for an England international striker? Maybe not from Liverpool, but from anyone? I take the point made by SaintRobbie that AL and Shaw are still with us and so to have delayed/rejected bids so far shows some resolve but to have caved in so feebly over Lambert runs contrary to his earlier statement. Had we accepted a bid for, say, Kelvin Davis then Reed might be cut a little slack but to have sold Lambert within a month of his statement is damaging beyond repair. Didn't cortese sanction the sale of lambert to west ham in January, not sure what happened there but I feel lambert would have gone this summer regardless of the board. Let's also not forget 4million plus add on sis good business for a 32 year old now on the decline. I don't expect him to do to much at Liverpool, nice end of career for him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirley precinct Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 FWIW a mate of mine is a charlton supporter and he speaks very highly of mr reed in terms of youth development, structure, contacts etc. He thinks reed is a total liability as a manager though. It seems that the senior management (not the players) at saints have been impressed with him so far and I've still got some faith in the old fool. As long as he doesn't become manager. Now that would be bad. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Are we going to be singing this next season or not? Leslie, Leslie, Leslie, Leslie Reed Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry Reed *does hand movements* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Last summer I watched all the training sessions at Saints training camp in Austria. It was clear to my Dad and I that RL did not really fit into the system that MP wanted Saints to play. The Saints system requires fast closing down and Rickie just isn't that type of player. However in the end MP adapted the system to fit RL. While I am deeply sad that Rickie no longer plays for Saints I can understand the sale. I am still optimistic for next season. Everything hinges now on getting the right Manager in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 (edited) Maybe I'm reading Mr Reed's statement too closely, but then, how else am I or anyone else supposed to read it? I'll quote it again ... "No club has been given permission to talk to any of our players. That will remain so." And yet, one month later, Rickie Lambert was given permission to talk to Liverpool - he decided personal terms. and the next bit ... “We want to retain the players we’ve got. They are all contracted. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts." It's that pesky word "all" that's the killer. He didn't say "some are contracted" nor did he say "most are contracted", he said "all". And, again, the decision to sell Lambert shows what he said one month ago to be just so much baloney. The original statement talked about " keeping players that Pochettino wanted " was obviously an attempt to persuade MP to stay, but....as soon as he jumped ship ...the whole situation changed ... It was open season for clubs to come in with bids. I was not alone at the surprise about LFC bidding for RL but we know they really want Lallana .....and RL is the £4 million carrot. Our " new manager " will be planning for the future ...and then even RL might find it difficult to get off the bench if we are trying to form a " strike force " with new players. Of course there are two camps on the RL transfer issue....one would see him continuing as long as possible - until he is taken to the bench in a wheelchair ..... whereas £4 million (PLUS the mysterious ADD-ONS) could amount to a lot more in the next two years....surely a good deal for a 32 y.o. and a dream move for Rickie - which few of us would begrudge him. of course existing contracts will be honoured - exactly as those were for Tommy Forecast, Jonno Forte and Lee Barnard....except in their cases there were no takers. If we don't want players to go - then they stay..even if they are unhappy about it. The coming week will define whether Les Reed is the shrewd negotiator we hope for, or a disaster waiting to happen. The bottom line is who wants to hold on to an unhappy player....when (as often quoted) we know that every player has a price. Edited 1 June, 2014 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Why ? Nobody has left yet ? Apart from potentially lambert And the manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Just one other point. Who was in charge of the scouting network that found Lovren, Wanyama, Clyne, Steve Davis etc NC was chairman sure, but maybe Mr Reed might have helped a little bit. Maybe he knows what he's doing and has a backbone to make the tough decisions in the interests of Southampton FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 The Les Reed statement about no players being sold began to look doubtful after 12 May when bids started being made public and there was no reassertion of the policy, only silence for about 2 weeks. Then came last week's interview by Kruguer which effectively repeated what Reed had said earlier - key players would not be sold - almost immediately followed by the agreement to sell Lambert. Not surprisingly, that decision re-energised the predator clubs to up the pressure to buy Lallana and Shaw. What this has shown is that you can disregard what Reed and Kruguer say because their actions will not be limited by promises they have made. If fans think that, the players must feel the same - they can have no confidence in their employers at all, or in the future direction of this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 A short piece on Reed's previous here, but some interesting reaction from him on his treatment by the press - better dust off his tin hat Les! The more you look at Reed's career the more it looks worthy of Machievelli, any scrutiny and he is exposed as a paper tiger. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2007/01/16/les-reed-premierships-most-desperate-man/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 FWIW a mate of mine is a charlton supporter and he speaks very highly of mr reed in terms of youth development, structure, contacts etc. He thinks reed is a total liability as a manager though. It seems that the senior management (not the players) at saints have been impressed with him so far and I've still got some faith in the old fool. As long as he doesn't become manager. Now that would be bad. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Agreed sums up my understanding other than i believe players do not like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 A short piece on Reed's previous here, but some interesting reaction from him on his treatment by the press - better dust off his tin hat Les! The more you look at Reed's career the more it looks worthy of Machievelli, any scrutiny and he is exposed as a paper tiger. http://www.caughtoffside.com/2007/01/16/les-reed-premierships-most-desperate-man/ Reading that was a waste of time, sacked man wants to justify himself, no real news or analysis. You lot want to come back on here in six months time, when we are half way through a decent season with our new manager a reformed team and read your pathetic whining and make a little mental note to yourselves to deal just with evidence and facts not supposition and rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Reading that was a waste of time, sacked man wants to justify himself, no real news or analysis. You lot want to come back on here in six months time, when we are half way through a decent season with our new manager a reformed team and read your pathetic whining and make a little mental note to yourselves to deal just with evidence and facts not supposition and rumour. This, This, This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Also worth pointing out that NC regarded Mr Reed very highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 I still think Rickie Lamberts situation is different to Shaw or Lallanas and has to be treated differently. Rickie has been tapped up for months by Liverpool, a reason why we should frankly stop talking to them hereon in. Let's park the emotion - and by god I was surprised and gutted to see him go (& for a song) - but he's 32 and was struggling with the pace of our game at the end of last season. Lallana is our captain. Shaw is replaceable. We don't need to sell. Reed so far hasn't. Reed may just be about to put in a cracking managerial choice who will suit Lallana (& Shaws style). We've had a very hard week and frankly it seems as if Reed has resisted Liverpools demands. He's doing ok - keep backing Reed. He's doing ok....... For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 Reading that was a waste of time, sacked man wants to justify himself, no real news or analysis. You lot want to come back on here in six months time, when we are half way through a decent season with our new manager a reformed team and read your pathetic whining and make a little mental note to yourselves to deal just with evidence and facts not supposition and rumour. 'You lot'! I've alway known Les was a chancer sunshine, since Cortese left he's a chancer with too much power, and my evidence is probably a lot stronger than your supposition augmented by blind allegiance to authority. Stop jumping to silly conclusions and enjoy the debate. It's happening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 'You lot'! I've alway known Les was a chancer sunshine, since Cortese left he's a chancer with too much power, and my evidence is probably a lot stronger than your supposition augmented by blind allegiance to authority. Stop jumping to silly conclusions and enjoy the debate. It's happening... Do you care to elaborate on your evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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