ThorpG Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Who says we will have funds available? Not once has RK or anyone from board said there will be significant funds available. The fact he keeps banging on about academy and how we will use youth to be competitive suggests limited funds will be made available. Sent from my HTC One SV using Tapatalk Well there are funds in the club insofar as player sales revenue and TV rights income aggregates to a pretty substantial figure. As to whether the funds are available - given the transfer activity of the last five years (we have clearly invested), it would seem reasonable to suggest funds are available. It is possible that Liebherr has decided to turn off the tap in terms of investment of course, but nothing more than a guess, whereas constant investment over five years has empirically happened. As for 'significant', your words not mine. I merely suggested that we would likely have more than £4m available, I am not suggesting we are suddenly going to spend a fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 But outplayed Osvaldo on the pitch and in the dressing room. Yes, Osvaldo was a poor signing, but I'm not sure what your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 It will cost £30m to replace Sir Rickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 Romelu Lukaku season long loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorpG Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 It will cost £30m to replace Sir Rickie. Why? Who are you thinking of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 30 May, 2014 Share Posted 30 May, 2014 I agree with your target but Burnley would be mad to let him go for £4m, he's worth £8 (same as Rickie Lambert is). LOl you thick **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Michu? Or has his injury f**ked him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Michu? Or has his injury f**ked him? Heard an odd rumour that he may have to retire??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Maybe I'm being daft, but wouldn't KL get a lot more money by selling the club as a going concern with as many of its star players as possible, rather than asset stripping? Not daft at all. I wouldn't rule out the club being sold in its entirety. I just wonder if there isn't a kind of 'double sales' project. By this I mean the plan is to sell off the bulk of the current squad, upgrade Martin Hunter as the manager and promote the fringe and academy players - so next season's squad would include the likes of Rowe, Reed, Targett, Gallagher, Sims, Stephens, Hesketh, Isgrove and other youth team players along with, say, Hooiveld, Gazzanigga, Mayuka and the odd loan or free transfer coming in. Very little, if any, cash will be spent on new players. Then sell off those players and repeat the process. If we survive then so much the better but when relegation(s?) eventually comes along (whether that is sooner or later is only of mild concern) then there is the parachute money, before selling off what's left of a struggling club in whatever division we happen to be in. Who knows, the academy lads might surprise us all and become our new legends but I fear from now on 'the project' will be all about selling with little buying. I'm mildly surprised to see myself suggesting this conclusion; until yesterday morning I had fallen for Mr Krueger's statement, hook-line-and-sinker. I had also been impressed by the statement of Mr Reed just before the Everton game (see below). But it all looks so hollow now. Time will tell, but the good times are unlikely to be repeated for a generation or two. I can only hope the above scenario is all completely wrong. +++++++++++++++++ Mr Les Reed, 25 April "No club has been given permission to talk to any of our players. That will remain so. As far as the policy is concerned, we’ve had a great season. We want to build on that season. We want to improve the squad going forward. “We want to retain the players we’ve got. They are all contracted. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts. Any enquiries we get will probably be met with a ‘no – not for sale’. Our intention is to keep this very good team together and build on it by bringing new players to improve on that" http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/25042014-les-reed-statement-on-pochettino-and-players-1509755.aspx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 It will cost £30m to replace Sir Rickie. Would we not have to replace Lambert in a year or so anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Aside from Dellday's dull attempt at humour, the only player aged 32 plus, who has ever gone for more than £7m, is Cannavaro the year he captained Italy to World Cup victory. Every now and then I see, in amongst the rampant hysteria, a post on here based on facts, sound logic and reason. Very refreshing, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 He will be replaced by Gallagher. He will play the majority of games next year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Absolutely this. I have no worries that the club will attempt to replace Lambert, but I've never seen Gallagher's games in the Premier League last season as nothing but the blooding of one our main strikers for next year. And will he deliver? If the club don't find an effective replacement for Rickie, then I bloody hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Anyone with a memory knows that for much of this season Rickie has come in for stick for putting in below par performances. Personally, I think he's had his last season as a worthy first choice center forward - for Saints, let alone Liverpool. Getting 4 million for him is an absolute steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Anyone with a memory knows that for much of this season Rickie has come in for stick for putting in below par performances. Personally, I think he's had his last season as a worthy first choice center forward - for Saints, let alone Liverpool. Getting 4 million for him is an absolute steal. A steal if we had ossie wanting to be here and Rodriguez fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Anyone with a memory knows that for much of this season Rickie has come in for stick for putting in below par performances. Personally, I think he's had his last season as a worthy first choice center forward - for Saints, let alone Liverpool. Getting 4 million for him is an absolute steal. The timing is poor and in my eyes the value still to low (without knowing the set-up of any add-ons), but it is somewhat ironic that this board was excited about replacing Lambert 12 months ago, a fair few posts about him being washed up and not it's the end of the world that we're cashing in on him. If we don't stand firm on Lallana I'll be worried and disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 The timing is poor and in my eyes the value still to low (without knowing the set-up of any add-ons), but it is somewhat ironic that this board was excited about replacing Lambert 12 months ago, a fair few posts about him being washed up and not it's the end of the world that we're cashing in on him. If we don't stand firm on Lallana I'll be worried and disappointed. £4mill is fck all though. Our bench is often so weak and just getting out players over 30 on the basis of they have little resale value is foolhardy. Still has loads to offer in terms of experience, professionalism and helping youngsters. Proven at the level and as Norwich found out finding replacements is not straightforward. Might not be the player he was this season but to say a steal is ridiculous. Edit: sorry was meant to quote the steal post not yours Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 What we need if we are to increase the momentum from last year is an England international striker........Oh, we had one of those....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 The timing is poor and in my eyes the value still to low (without knowing the set-up of any add-ons), but it is somewhat ironic that this board was excited about replacing Lambert 12 months ago, a fair few posts about him being washed up and not it's the end of the world that we're cashing in on him. If we don't stand firm on Lallana I'll be worried and disappointed. We were in a completely different position 6-12 months ago -we had strikers fit and a squad of attacking talent that didn't look like it was going to be dismantled; the assumption was that the resources were available to improve on the position; and the fee touted was considerably higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 What we need if we are to increase the momentum from last year is an England international striker........Oh, we had one of those....... Perhaps Danny Welbeck is part of the deal for Shaw to United? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 We were in a completely different position 6-12 months ago -we had strikers fit and a squad of attacking talent that didn't look like it was going to be dismantled; the assumption was that the resources were available to improve on the position; and the fee touted was considerably higher. Did you expect Lambert to be our first choice striker next season? He's been class for us, but won't go on for ever. I'd have kept him personally and I think the timing is wrong and the price too low, but he will need replacing very soon, regardless of whether we sell him or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Perhaps Danny Welbeck is part of the deal for Shaw to United? Cortèse' saints I could see convincing wellbeck of our ambition to push on, making a name for himself as an out an out striker. This new version, no chance in a million years is wellbeck going to consider coming here. The ambition is muted and the only words on people's lips are how much and when rather than stay away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Cortèse' saints I could see convincing wellbeck of our ambition to push on, making a name for himself as an out an out striker. This new version, no chance in a million years is wellbeck going to consider coming here. The ambition is muted and the only words on people's lips are how much and when rather than stay away. Hear what you are saying, hoping your wrong. Even under Lowe and complete incompetence towards the end, we still signed Morgan. Just hoping our new gang learn fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Demba Ba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Did you expect Lambert to be our first choice striker next season? He's been class for us, but won't go on for ever. I'd have kept him personally and I think the timing is wrong and the price too low, but he will need replacing very soon, regardless of whether we sell him or not. It depends on the board's plans - but am much less confident that we're committed to strengthening in every position. So no I wouldn't sell him and, compared to last season, there's a much greater chance he'd be our first choice striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 It depends on the board's plans - but am much less confident that we're committed to strengthening in every position. So no I wouldn't sell him and, compared to last season, there's a much greater chance he'd be our first choice striker. Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not. Put it another way,if the club didn't buy an attempt at a new first choice forward this summer, would you complain about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Andy Carroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not. Put it another way,if the club didn't buy an attempt at a new first choice forward this summer, would you complain about that? Anything less than one proven and one Jrod-type striker (unproven but with potential) and I'll be disappointed. That assumes of course we sell no other strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Anything less than one proven and one Jrod-type striker (unproven but with potential) and I'll be disappointed. That assumes of course we sell no other strikers. So that's assuming we don't sell Osvaldo or Mayuka? So you didn't expect or hope for Lambert to be our first choice striker next season anyway, neither did I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 So that's assuming we don't sell Osvaldo or Mayuka? So you didn't expect or hope for Lambert to be our first choice striker next season anyway, neither did I. Taking it for granted we can shift Osvaldo in some way. Hope and expectation are different things - I'd hope that Lambert wouldn't be our first choice striker, do I expect it -much less so today than before. Indeed, if KL is scaling back the ambition, then our definition of a first choice striker has to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Maybe I'm being daft, but wouldn't KL get a lot more money by selling the club as a going concern with as many of its star players as possible, rather than asset stripping? No, sadly it doesn't work like that. Expensive football clubs are not a attractive proposition. The true value lies in the assets and the profit they've made. They're a quick return on an investment. The club without all the weight of players and their earnings is far more attractive to potential buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 No, sadly it doesn't work like that. Expensive football clubs are not a attractive proposition. The true value lies in the assets and the profit they've made. They're a quick return on an investment. The club without all the weight of players and their earnings is far more attractive to potential buyers. Can you name any club that has done similar before? Nope me neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Can you name any club that has done similar before? Nope me neither How come you were allowed back? Did you have to make certain promises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 How come you were allowed back? Did you have to make certain promises? Hey, a fiver's a fiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Graziano Pelle ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 Graziano Pelle ? Only if Ronald takes over but what quality this guy is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 31 May, 2014 Share Posted 31 May, 2014 To further Kingsland's suggestion, I've pulled this from the "Replacement for MP" thread. The last line is the key part for this thread. Some interesting comments about Koeman from Feyenoord fan @Markla94: I don't know much about the Saints, but I do know they have a good academy. He would be a good one, he is someone who has brought a lot of academy players into the first team, both at Ajax and Feyenoord. When he came to Feyenoord, we had no money and only academy players. He created something very special. So I think he is a good coach in hard situations (I explained the context of the current situation). But when you have money to spend, he can bring in the right players for sure. In that case, he is the ideal next manager. Some rumors today that he wants to bring Graziano Pelle along. Would be thrilling for you to have him. Best striker in NL. This sort of thing magnifies the importance of getting a top-notch manager in ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 1 June, 2014 Share Posted 1 June, 2014 McLaren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpanmatt Posted 3 June, 2014 Share Posted 3 June, 2014 Ready made replacement available on a free? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27678618 Tongue firmly in cheek, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 June, 2014 Share Posted 3 June, 2014 Ready made replacement available on a free? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27678618 Tongue firmly in cheek, by the way. He's a handful, that Parkin. Stick it right up Johnny Premier League Foreigner. Get him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 June, 2014 Share Posted 3 June, 2014 Romelu Lukaku season long loan Bollix to that. Chelsea are rumoured to be interested in Luke Shaw so a swap deal and cash we get Lukaku and 10 million they get Luke Shaw I'd be happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 3 June, 2014 Share Posted 3 June, 2014 Whatever happened to our supposed love affair with Damiao? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 3 June, 2014 Share Posted 3 June, 2014 Graziano Pelle ? Might be a complete striker on fifa but no way. He'd be a Alitdore or Alves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 3 June, 2014 Share Posted 3 June, 2014 Pato still please. If not Lukaku for Shaw plus £10mill would be great if we could persuade him to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 3 June, 2014 Share Posted 3 June, 2014 Whatever happened to our supposed love affair with Damiao? Thankfully bullet dodged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 3 June, 2014 Share Posted 3 June, 2014 Thankfully bullet dodged. Thankfully? He is a great player in bad form, a bit like a certain CB we signed last summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 June, 2014 Share Posted 3 June, 2014 Lukaku Benteke Bony Welbeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conaero Posted 4 June, 2014 Share Posted 4 June, 2014 Frank Lampard on a pay as you play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 4 June, 2014 Share Posted 4 June, 2014 Frank Lampard on a pay as you play? You know that old expression... nope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 4 June, 2014 Share Posted 4 June, 2014 Bollix to that. Chelsea are rumoured to be interested in Luke Shaw so a swap deal and cash we get Lukaku and 10 million they get Luke Shaw I'd be happy with that. Ok, ok. Lukaku + £8m for Shaw and use the £8m+ some transfer funds to get The Pea from United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 4 June, 2014 Share Posted 4 June, 2014 Does any one know how the deal was structured, i.e what the add ons are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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