Pancake Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 The phrase that was so favoured by the press and so lambasted on here now seems perfectly apt. Think about December last year, only 6 short months ago. NC was in charge, MP was delivering results, we were moving up the table despite a couple of bad patches. Our star striker had scored on his England debut. Our hometown hero Captain was the envy of many other teams fans. Our leftback was being hailed as the future of football. Our "route to first team" coaches lauded as running the best academy in the land. Now we have lost our hardball chairman, replaced by someone who, on current trends, isn't doing so well. We have sacked 2 of our youth coaches with no rationale being given. We have lost the Adidas deal for kit next year and risk running out in a cobbled together job. The much hoped for global brand sponsor befitting a top half Premier League side turned out to be one more suited to a Championship side. The manager and his team have jumped, take with them a lot of the hopes we all had for building on last season. The names touted to replace them have been somewhat worrying. All 3 of our England players are almost certainly off, or if not majorly unsettled. Plus a few of our other stars and youth are being talked about in the media as off. We are 6/1 to be relegated. Meltdown? I think now is the time to accept it and say yes we are in meltdown.
shurlock Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 On the bright side this might even unite the Anyone-But-Cortese brigade.
richard Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 If you can't find a SWF meltdown, you're looking in the wrong place. #itshappening
gonzo Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 On current evidence, the 'anyone but Cortese' brigade are bloody idiots. I was very critical of some things he did, but he seemed to have the best interests of the club at heart. But, I think we're now seeing why he packed up and buggered off.
ashleyb5443 Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Seems to me like your cup is certainly half empty instead of full.
jayrivers Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 When a poor manager is appointed and it's clear incoming funds aren't being reinvested. In that situation it's fine to panic, moan, predict relegation and so on. But unfortunately it won't make one bit of difference regardless and the best action will remain supporting the new guy and trying to help the club remain in the premier league until another owner comes along. The thing I don't get - RK said two days ago the new manager will be consulted on all tranfers. We don't have to sell etc.. Then this happens. It's pretty poor timing and sorry but does currently make them look like mugs. They really have to pull out a good managerial appointment and re-invest all the money + what the kitty would have been to make this look any good!
Special K Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 I agree Pancake. IMHO the change in the leadership of the Club has caused more damage than I initially thought. The new Board certainly haven't picked up the momentum promoted by NC and progress has come to a grinding halt, something that the shallow, saccharine platitudes of Kruger fail to gloss over. The Club is now in decline, only a week after its best ever season, and before anyone jumps down my throat with accusations of pant-******ing, it is a considered opinion. Often negativity causes it's own momentum and the main perpertrators are the media. NC had a few run ins but learned how to deal with them (from the relative safety of L1 and Championship status), the current Board appear to have no idea how to deal with them and the subsequent speculation and furore that surrounds any story adds weight to the notion that we are defenceless and rudderless, until it becomes a reality - which it appears to be in the process of now. We all know what they need to do to placate the fans and provide some leadership to alleviate this perception of meltdown. Whether they can remains to be seen.
dubai_phil Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 I always try and look behind the words and stay positive. But right now I simply cannot see any scenario except 1) We have been lied to 2) KL is Asset Stripping and will probably sell the club AFTER the first PL payment is made in October 3) The New Board will all pocket a hefty handout 4) Many fans will try and use the public statements to sue the club for Misrepresentation having bought Season Tickets 5) Nottarf Krap will ring to the sounds of WTFILN
Foxstone Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 It sure feels like the world is against us at the moment. I don't begrudge Rickie his move to his boyhood club I really don't - He's been brilliant for us for 5 seasons and I'll happily wish him every success in his final seasons at the top. But the board are just not managing the messages to the supporters at all well, they are not managing the media "sheet storm" well either and are almost giving encouragment to open season at SMS. I do not blame them entirely for Poch moving on but they need to start acting tough (or at least give the impression they are) - Right now everything seems to be rudderless. I am and remain a Pro-Cortese Saints fan, and I wish that some of his acumen and cojonies was driving the club message right now.
Dalek2003 Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 I always try and look behind the words and stay positive. But right now I simply cannot see any scenario except 1) We have been lied to 2) KL is Asset Stripping and will probably sell the club AFTER the first PL payment is made in October 3) The New Board will all pocket a hefty handout 4) Many fans will try and use the public statements to sue the club for Misrepresentation having bought Season Tickets 5) Nottarf Krap will ring to the sounds of WTFILN That is a very pessemistic scenario. I think we bumble on next season, scrapping int he bottom third like we always have done in the past. We are not about to implode.
RedArmy Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Until we know who the new manager is and what squad we end up with at the end of the transfer window, no. At the moment it's all unknown, while we might be selling players we have no idea who/if they'll be replaced with yet. While we don't have a manager, we don't if the new one will be better or worse. We're certainly in limbo, but not meltdown. Some our fans must walk around in adult nappies the way they're carrying on.
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Already happening on Twitter big time, especially with club tweeting to renew your ST's by midnight... WTF!!
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Les, Kat and Ralph face the media today: Oh dear this is exactly what started to happen with Lowe. Funny though - I presume the green one is Les Reed?
um pahars Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Losing MoPo for me was always going to happen. Never got the sense he was here for the long run (but replacement is key) Lambert going is just about acceptable given his age, his service and going back "home" (think £4m is a piff take though). Resigned to losing Shaw, but think he is one of the least influential of our players, (and his head has already been turned). Then after that I would begrudgingly accept any one of Lallana, Lovren, Morgan. ANY MORE THAN ONE AND I WILL BE IN MELTDOWN LOL!!!!!
jjsaint Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Losing MoPo for me was always going to happen. Never got the sense he was here for the long run (but replacement is key) Lambert going is just about acceptable given his age, his service and going back "home" (think £4m is a piff take though). Resigned to losing Shaw, but think he is one of the least influential of our players, (and his head has already been turned). Then after that I would begrudgingly accept any one of Lallana, Lovren, Morgan. ANY MORE THAN ONE AND I WILL BE IN MELTDOWN LOL!!!!! This is about right I'd like to add that if we get a manager of the Mackay/Lennon variety then my meltdown health bar will decrease. Unfortunately I can't imagine too many decent managers coming near us at the moment.
John Boy Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Already happening on Twitter big time, especially with club tweeting to renew your ST's by midnight... WTF!! Same on Facebook and on those you are getting comments from folks in the wider world who are not entrenched on here.
redder freak Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 If we're in the relegation zone at Christmas, then that's the time to worry.
Killers Knee Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 I am resigned to the fact we will sell Shaw, Lallana and Clyne, and I can accept that. However I will press the "Meltdown" button if we sell the above plus one of Lovren, Cork, VW, Morgan, JRod, Davis, Boruc or Chambers.
Ohio Saint Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Losing MoPo for me was always going to happen. Never got the sense he was here for the long run (but replacement is key) Lambert going is just about acceptable given his age, his service and going back "home" (think £4m is a piff take though). Resigned to losing Shaw, but think he is one of the least influential of our players, (and his head has already been turned). Then after that I would begrudgingly accept any one of Lallana, Lovren, Morgan. ANY MORE THAN ONE AND I WILL BE IN MELTDOWN LOL!!!!! That sums it up perfectly for me too.
Lighthouse Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Cortese sold Chamberlain in League 1. I don't see any difference between that and now, other than the fact that we have 4 or 5 Chamberlains to sell. If they go, it just means we have 4 or 5 times as much money to reinvest. IF the money isn't being reinvested, or being spent poorly then I will be concerned. Right now we have lost a manager who is clearly not bothered about us and a 32 year old striker who has given us by far the best 5 years of his career and we've still made a profit. We are financially stable, we have an excellent youth set up and a decent Premier League squad. Life is really not that bad.
notnowcato Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Given the rollercoaster we've been on for 10 years now, I'd say it's all relative.
Batman Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Cortese sold Chamberlain in League 1. I don't see any difference between that and now, other than the fact that we have 4 or 5 Chamberlains to sell. If they go, it just means we have 4 or 5 times as much money to reinvest. IF the money isn't being reinvested, or being spent poorly then I will be concerned. Right now we have lost a manager who is clearly not bothered about us and a 32 year old striker who has given us by far the best 5 years of his career and we've still made a profit. We are financially stable, we have an excellent youth set up and a decent Premier League squad. Life is really not that bad. its not selling lambert. its about all the departures in one go it will be hard to integrate so many new faces on the training ground, be it coaches/manager and players and have a remotely successful season next season is all about staying up
Lighthouse Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 its not selling lambert. its about all the departures in one go it will be hard to integrate so many new faces on the training ground, be it coaches/manager and players and have a remotely successful season next season is all about staying up You mean tabloid rumours you assume will ALL come to fruition? Spurs did something similar last summer and they plummeted from 5th all the way down to 6th. That was despite sacking their manager and spending the Bale money very poorly. New faces doesn't have to mean poor performances. Lovren and Wanyama slotted seamlessly into the side last summer.
SNSUN Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 When we sell Lallana, Lambert, Morgan, Dejan, Chambers, Clyne, Shaw, JRod, Wanyama, Cork, appoint Chris Hughton as manager (who signs Johan Elmander and Van Wolfswinkel to play up front) and then we watch Kat take her billions and disappear leaving us in financial ruin. Then.
david in sweden Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 We are 6/1 to be relegated. . Mmmm...what are the odds that we qualify for Europe under the new manager?
david in sweden Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 When we sell Lallana, Lambert, Morgan, Dejan, Chambers, Clyne, Shaw, JRod, Wanyama, Cork, appoint Chris Hughton as manager (who signs Johan Elmander and Van Wolfswinkel to play up front) and then we watch Kat take her billions and disappear leaving us in financial ruin.Then. ...........it's then that the gallant White Night ....Sir Nicola Cortese comes riding to the rescue........NO.. I can't take that....
BlakeySFC Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Once we reach 'Chernobyl' on the ohmygodwhatthef_uckarewedoingometer we're officially in meltdown.
badgerx16 Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 We are 6/1 to be relegated. Looking on Oddschecker we vary from 6/ to 9/1, the same as Newcastle and Stoke. Looking at the betting tables we are rated to finish around 8th. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation
SaintRobbie Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 Looking on Oddschecker we vary from 6/ to 9/1, the same as Newcastle and Stoke. Looking at the betting tables we are rated to finish around 8th. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation We still have our players that's why. Watch them fall as the exodus begins.
badgerx16 Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 We still have our players that's why. Watch them fall as the exodus begins. Will they go up again when we bring in the replacements ?
kpturner Posted 30 May, 2014 Posted 30 May, 2014 This forum is in meltdown. The football club probably isn't.
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